Peerless 830491 8" XlS/HDS

[npdang]

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[npdang]

Looks like 1 way xmax is 10mm, both suspension and motor limited. There is a rearward offset in the voice coil, but the mechanical compliance is extremely linear and symmetrical. An efficiency of almost 91dbwm is an added bonus as well.

For the money, I think these are unbeatable. I probably wouldn't use them beyond 400hz or so, but they have a very high efficiency and displacement that would be perfect for use as a dedicated mid/bass.

[thadman]

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[npdang]

Someone needs to send me a Dayton Ref 8" so I can compare :)

[tf1216]

I talked to PeteyGoesBoom and said he was gonna : )

Thanks for the measurements Nguyen. I wish I had more drivers to send you that have not already been tested on one site or another.

I plan on using 4 of these in my new home audio venture. They need to mate with a PHL 1120 in the 300 Hz range.

If cost was no issue to you Nguyen, would these 8" drivers be in the top ten of speakers to use in the 35 Hz to 350 Hz range? SQ is the one and only concern : )

[Sephiroth619]

Debating on this woofer vs the Peerless Exclusive 8".

[Derek]

i love mine. absolutely love.

[npdang]

No doubt about it... if I had to use only one 8" midbass up to 350hz this would be it. I haven't come across anything better price/performance wise.

[newtitan]

ooh cool you finally got one tested thats cool!!!

yeah I digged those 8's a lot more than the daytons I know that much. The exclusive sounds as goo- SQ wise , plays higher, but has no where near the lowend punch that these have (ive owned and used all 3)

wich you could test those lotus 4 ohm 8's that 3.5maxspd has, if ever order a pair Ill send them over to you

[MIAaron]

Someone needs to send me a Dayton Ref 8" so I can compare :)

npdang,
I some of the rs180 & rs225 8ohm models laying around, but they are debucked. Just let me know and I'll get them out to ya.

[MarkZ]

Holy mounting depth!

Suits my application perfectly, but it's too deep for the window. I'll live with my RS180s, because I think that's about as deep as I can go. I'd love to get something with a little more low end in there though, especially since I cross at about 400 Hz...

[DeLander]

npdang or anybody else with experience with these,

Would 1 of these(or a 8" Exclusive) work well as an up-front subwoofer playing about 25- 80hz? Also, would either one work well in a small (.5cuft) sealed box?

Thanks for the help

DeLander

[Derek]

i've never put mine in an enclosure but i bet they would do great.....they dig very deep IB....with their low Q i bet you could port them with good results....

[300Z]

npdang or anybody else with experience with these,

Would 1 of these(or a 8" Exclusive) work well as an up-front subwoofer playing about 25- 80hz? Also, would either one work well in a small (.5cuft) sealed box?

Thanks for the help

DeLander
If you're looking for 8" to do sub dutys... take a look at these (http://jbl.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=GTO804&cat=SUB&ser=GTS&language=ENG&country=US&region=USA) JBL pdf here (http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/CAR/Boxes%20and%20Parameters/GTO%20804D.pdf)...
Only need a .3cu.ft box and got 11.5mm x-max... low inductance too...

[DeLander]

Thanks Derek & 300Z,
Derek, I think if I go with a "sub-woofer", it'll probably be the ID8v3.

I'd like to try something different though. That's why I've been looking at these Peerless woofers.

Can someone tell me by looking at the specs., if they would be good in a sealed box about .5cuft ? What specs. determine the enclosure parameters(sealed vs. ported, volume, etc.) of a driver?

Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

DeLander

[kappa546]

has anyone treated theirs? just by touching the cone i get the feeling they'll soak up and deteriorate like cardboard if i put em in the doors

[npdang]

I think you'd be surprised. Alot of stock factory speakers use a similar untreated paper cone, and they usually have no problems holding up for years.

[Sephiroth619]

How much power is recommended for this woofer? Is 125 watts sufficient?

[Derek]

How much power is recommended for this woofer? Is 125 watts sufficient?


i'm giving mine around 125 at 8 ohms...works good....

[racerraul]

has anyone treated theirs? just by touching the cone i get the feeling they'll soak up and deteriorate like cardboard if i put em in the doors

You should always use foam baffles (like XTC) to protect them... just cut the baffles to build your drivers a custom protection hat to shield water away from them...

[fuscobal]

How can the graph phase vs freq be used to set the phase on a speaker, supposing that it will be used under 500Hz and the amplifier has a module that allows to set the phase between 0 and 360 ?

[fuscobal]

Another question would be if this speaker won't have troubles with the water entering the door. Many times, during the winter, i foun water on the back of my Iridium 6 driver because of the very good dampening of the doors!

[racerraul]

Another question would be if this speaker won't have troubles with the water entering the door. Many times, during the winter, i foun water on the back of my Iridium 6 driver because of the very good dampening of the doors!


You should always use foam baffles (like XTC) to protect them... just cut the baffles to build your drivers a custom protection hat to shield water away from them...

[geo1317]

Holy mounting depth!

Suits my application perfectly, but it's too deep for the window. I'll live with my RS180s, because I think that's about as deep as I can go. I'd love to get something with a little more low end in there though, especially since I cross at about 400 Hz...


What’s the mounting depth on these? What about the inner and outer diameter?

I want to see if I can replace my rs225 with these.

[fuscobal]

Thanks, a hat will be ! I think the mounting depth is 96mm !

[captainobvious]

How does this driver compare to the exclusive 830884? The fr for the 830884 looks pretty darn flat on axis and 30 degrees off axis as well. Unfortunately, id have to buy a pair to determine their quality, lol.

[kappa546]

well the 830491 is really more of a sub/midbass driver playin up to 5-600hz or so

[fuscobal]

Wich are the closest to 830491 from the actual Peerless line-up ? From what i see 830869 are pretty close !

[xencloud]

Yea, is there anything that would come close in their current lineup? Too bad it's so deep though!

[Derek]

the exclusive 8 might do it....

[Sephiroth619]

I just ordered me a pair. Can't wait to get em. :D

[scrapz]

I just ordered me a pair. Can't wait to get em. :D

Me too, whered you put the drivers in your e36 right now? I'm thinking about using stocks location

I bought almost every piece of my system, only thing missing is the M. :mad:

[Sephiroth619]

Well, I currently have Dynaudio System 340 3way components in the stock locations. Are you on bimmerforums.com? There's, I think, 3-4 people with Dynaudios in their e36s.

Mic aka 10isPro from bimmerforums.com won best SQ in IASCA with his e36. He fitted an Image Dynamics 8" woofer (They look identical to Illusion Audio's ND8) & 5.5 Scan Speak revelators in the kicks. I was hoping to do something similar with my car. So far, the Peerless XLS 8" sounds like best candidate for midbass.

[scrapz]

Well, I currently have Dynaudio System 340 3way components in the stock locations. Are you on bimmerforums.com? There's, I think, 3-4 people with Dynaudios in their e36s.

Mic aka 10isPro from bimmerforums.com won best SQ in IASCA with his e36. He fitted an Image Dynamics 8" woofer (They look identical to Illusion Audio's ND8) & 5.5 Scan Speak revelators in the kicks. I was hoping to do something similar with my car. So far, the Peerless XLS 8" sounds like best candidate for midbass.

same user name over there.

[fuscobal]

Darn i would like to see/hear a comparison between 830491 and 830884 in 50-600Hz range ! Hope i made a good decision with the exclusives !

[xencloud]

I thought these XLS were discontinued.....is there an HDS equivalent to this one? Also, what's the depth?

[xencloud]

Anyone? Aren't the XLS 8" discontinued? What's a good equivalent in the current woofer line, if any?

[kripsak]

I don't think there is any left in the U.S., you can give solen.ca a call, if you've got some patience then give them a email if they have any left in stock.

[xencloud]

nguyen, no equivalents in the current HDS line?

[cvjoint]

the 8' xls is awesome! Just installed them yesterday 50hz-160hz ib. I didn't have time to instal the amp for it so I'm only running about 50watts @8 ohms/woofer right now but keeps up pretty well with two re xxx's 12s (maybe cuz the frequency range is very narrow). Can't really tell when the peerless cut off and the REs kick in. I'd say 100watts is all it needs to satisfy anybody's thirst for midbass. Blends well with my 6.5 lotus reference mids and subs, warm solid bass. I bought them about a month ago per npdang's reccomandation from solen so they should still have them in.

[foley316]

I too would like to know what model is the equivalent to this one.

[kappa546]

there is no equivalent per se. sls is a good alternative strictly for midbass

[demon2091tb]

What places still carry these midbasses.......I'm really tempted to try to fit them in my doors.

[Tommythecat]

You could try solen.ca, they might still have that 8'er.

[thadman]

Solen has 12 units as of today (placed an order for a pair today @ 4pm)

[MarkZ]

Solen has 12 units as of today (placed an order for a pair today @ 4pm)

How much were they?

[thadman]

I forget somewhere around 150...shipping takes forever though.

USPS 10 days
and
UPS 5 days (but u need your social security number and a whole bunch of other crap on u for customs)

[MarkZ]

I forget somewhere around 150...

Each? I thought they were closer to $99 originally. Maybe I need my head examined.

Bah, I may just go with 4 Extremis woofers instead.

[npdang]

That's per pair :)

[thadman]

damn...im pissed

I've been waiting forever on these (they were supposed to be here last friday)

I just called solen and they told me they were shipped a week after I purchased my pair...

I ordered on the 16th...and lady just told me theyre not gonna be here till june 2nd (they shipped them the 23rd)

nice inventory and good deals but suck on getting things done

[demon2091tb]

Gotta remember if your in the US, Solen is canadian......so they do have to go through customs, etc.

[Wildcat_Fan]

For anyone who wants to get a pair a little quicker, there is a pair hanging on the wall at Parts Express' Springboro location. They were $70 each.

[Derek]

i might be selling mine shortly....if anybody is interested :)

[thadman]

I placed my order around noon on May 16th and was quoted 10 days from that point

...I called today and learn they hadnt shipped them out till the 23rd (a week after I placed my order). They had the courtesy to mail me my invoice THAT day, but none to ship them.

[MIAaron]

For anyone who wants to get a pair a little quicker, there is a pair hanging on the wall at Parts Express' Springboro location. They were $70 each.

Those are the 850490's....

[stlnsx]

re: Peerless 830491 8" XlS/HDS

anyone got a set of these laying around to sell? if so email me.

[stucknok]

This place lists them for http://www.speakerbits.com/Default.aspx?cat=60&menu=41[/URL]

They are located in Australia and shipping will probably be slow. Price listed is $95 per driver. Hope this helps someone out looking to pick these up. I considered ordering but have yet to install my Dayton Reference 225-4's. If I don't like them I will probably try this place out.

[sqkev]

No doubt about it... if I had to use only one 8" midbass up to 350hz this would be it. I haven't come across anything better price/performance wise.
Sorry to bring this topic up again

Nguyen, do they have a steep acoustical drop off after 350hz? I might be able to find a way to fit this into the my doors (with some serious cutting). :)

[mvw2]

Back from the dead.

Well, I'm getting a pair of these. Their intention is midbass duty as part of a 3-way front stage. However, I am concerned about blending with the midrange driver. So far, npdang's been saying to stay below 400Hz. Why?

I ask because I'm sort of planning on RS52s as my mids. However, I wouldn't run them down to 400Hz. So what's wrong with the XLS for lower midrange? Can they get up to 600Hz - 800Hz well? At all? Is this a sentivity issue, lack of a smooth frequency response, distortion?

Now I have a pair of TG9 mids as well, but I have a feeling I'll like the the RS52 better. I might be stuck with the TG9 though (isn't exactly a horrible thing) if the XLS doesn't work well up to around 600Hz or so.

I'm just looking for some details on this.

[npdang]

I can't point to anything and say why, but it just doesn't sound good to my ears when used above that.

[mvw2]

Hmm...

Yeah, the only thing I see looking at it is that the frequency response starts to wiggle around +/- 2dB to 3dB a bit above 300Hz.

It's got me wondering about midrange drivers though. I have the RS52 and TG9 mids, and because of this, I see the TG9 as the only option now. I'm not even sure if I want to use the TG9 over some other woofer options, maybe even a 4" option. There are quite a few 3" to 4" options from Peerless, Aura, and Hi-Vi as well. Choices, choices.

[mvw2]

Just got them in the mail...:D

They look like they'll be pretty easy to fit, barely any deeper than the Extremis woofers I was running, might even clear the window without any change in baffle thickness.

Rigid, light cone, very soft surround. The whole woofer is pretty light given the 8" size.

[FoxPro5]

Rigid, light cone, very soft surround. The whole woofer is pretty light given the 8" size.

Same thing I said when I first picked them up.

I'm interested to know what you think of them compared to the Extremis. I'll be putting mine up against the 7" Scan Revs and the Dyn MW172's in a little battle of the door. My poor hinges. :(

[mvw2]

Hmm, more cone area, about the same linear excursion, far better sensitivity(low end and overall)...:p

Right now I'm just looking for speaker grills. I need one for the XLS and my TG9s... PartsExpress has 8" ones but am unsure about size and mounting hole diameter. The TG9...no clue. I'm pretty much going to end up with a 3 layer MDF baffle like I have now, top one making the whole thing recessed. I just need grills for everything and need to know their dameter to get all the sizing taken care of.

[FoxPro5]

Hmm, more cone area, about the same linear excursion, far better sensitivity(low end and overall)...:p

Right now I'm just looking for speaker grills. I need one for the XLS and my TG9s... PartsExpress has 8" ones but am unsure about size and mounting hole diameter. The TG9...no clue. I'm pretty much going to end up with a 3 layer MDF baffle like I have now, top one making the whole thing recessed. I just need grills for everything and need to know their dameter to get all the sizing taken care of.

I meant the chest-thumping bass, silly. :p

I have the 5.25" and 8" that Madisound sells, but I think the Peerless are going to be too big. If you find some that fit, let me know.

[mvw2]

The Extremis wasn't chest thumping. It was too smooth in presence.

[cpio311]

anyone got a pair of these laying around???

[less]

These do not seem to be stil made - so is this the new comparable model? Anyone using it and have a clue as to its sound??

I am looking for a possible 8" pair for my doors.... http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1614

LEss

[azngotskills]

These do not seem to be stil made - so is this the new comparable model? Anyone using it and have a clue as to its sound?

The Peerless SLS 8" is the current "version" but there are mixed opinions on actually which ones are better. IMO the SLS 8s are the best dedicated midbass for impact and presence that i have heard

[ClinesSelect]

As great as the SLS is, in the end I kept my XLS and sold my SLS. :)

[DS-21]

The Peerless SLS 8" is the current "version" but there are mixed opinions on actually which ones are better. IMO the SLS 8s are the best dedicated midbass for impact and presence that i have heard

They both came out at about the same time. The XLS8 is undoubtedly better in that it has a nicer frame supporting a more linear suspension and motor with longer throw. However, the SLS8 is pretty much plug and play, whereas the XLS8 needs a bit of low-end EQ in most setups.

[azngotskills]

They both came out at about the same time. The XLS8 is undoubtedly better in that it has a nicer frame supporting a more linear suspension and motor with longer throw. However, the SLS8 is pretty much plug and play, whereas the XLS8 needs a bit of low-end EQ in most setups.

Thanks for the correction....why did they discontinue the XLS 8s then if they were so much better?

[DS-21]

Thanks for the correction....why did they discontinue the XLS 8s then if they were so much better?

I would guess it's because they didn't sell in the numbers expected.

They were also a lot more expensive than the SLS8.

[cvjoint]

BTW the back sticker reads HDS not XLS on these guys but I do think it's more in the line of work with the xls series.

[FoxPro5]

So is there an FR plot for the 830491's somewhere?

You compared it to the SLS in this read (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9060), but only the SLS was plotted (yellow line), right?

All I've seen on the XLS/HDS is this...
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/barnz008/Peerless830491FRplot.jpg


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