Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics?

innsanes · 04-07-2008

I was intrigued when i saw the id horns. Really want to try one out but see that its really expensive. My question is does anyone know of another brand or driver that is comparable but cheaper. Thinking about buying the id horn bodies and a driver from parts express. The ID neos look very similar to this one.http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=264-274

Fellippe · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by innsanes

I was intrigued when i saw the id horns. Really want to try one out but see that its really expensive. My question is does anyone know of another brand or driver that is comparable but cheaper. Thinking about buying the id horn bodies and a driver from parts express. The ID neos look very similar to this one.http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=264-274

Consider the ID Horns a bargain when compared to some of the higher end USD horns...

USD Audio has a grand history of making horns, and their vintage stuff is the best of all time for car audio, IMHO.

kskywr · 04-07-2008

The IDs are derivatives of the B&C drivers. You could possibly buy the B&C versions and just use the ID horn bodies. I can't remember which ID model numbers match up to which B&C model numbers. You should be able to do a quick search and find out though.

ClinesSelect · 04-07-2008

That is a screw on compression driver instead of a bolt on. Just a FYI.

Some people think these are rather similar to the CD2.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=294-608

The B&C are very nice compression drivers. I am using them now.

drake78 · 04-08-2008

Here is an article on ECA. He also has a list of car audio horn manufactures. http://www.elitecaraudio.com/article.php?sid=37

durwood · 04-08-2008

What intrigues you about horns? What is your goal?

Have you considered midrange arrays?

innsanes · 04-08-2008

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Originally Posted by durwood

What intrigues you about horns? What is your goal?

Have you considered midrange arrays?

I've been to alot of clubs and concerts and the midrange and highs are so detail and not piercing that i would like to test it out in a car. I also listen to my music loud.

**simplicityinsound** · 04-08-2008

at one time or the other, i have either put in or heard horns from:

ID
USD
Veritas
Crystal
Crossfire
Altec Lansing

maybe one or two others i dont remember. and yeah, other than the long gone crystal horns (which to me sounded pretty bad), the ID ones are pretty reasonable

innsanes · 04-08-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicityinsound

at one time or the other, i have either put in or heard horns from:

ID
USD
Veritas
Crystal
Crossfire
Altec Lansing

maybe one or two others i dont remember. and yeah, other than the long gone crystal horns (which to me sounded pretty bad), the ID ones are pretty reasonable

Are you saying horns are not worth having in a vehicle? I read alot of review saying the id horns cd2 were some of the best sounding. hmm not sure if i want to go the horn route if its not worth it

ClinesSelect · 04-08-2008

It's completely worth it, IMO.

**simplicityinsound** · 04-08-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by innsanes

Are you saying horns are not worth having in a vehicle? I read alot of review saying the id horns cd2 were some of the best sounding. hmm not sure if i want to go the horn route if its not worth it

just how did you deduct that from what i said?

i said the crystal horns were not to my liking, and the ID horns are pretty reasonble when it comes to pricing

the crystals were way cheaper but they dont sound good

It_Hertz · 04-08-2008

I run ID's in my Subby and have installed them in quite a few other vehicles over the years. I have also worked with the USD horns back in the day as well as veritas.

I would have to say of all these the ID's are my favorite. The new ultras are incredible. priced lower then the CD2's and sound just as good if not a little better.

you could also look into finding a set of the CD1 pros from last year. they are a little less expensive and still work and sound very good.

**ca90ss** · 04-09-2008

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Originally Posted by It_Hertz

The new ultras are incredible.

Does anyone know which drivers they use? They look like the BMS 4540nd/JBL2407.

thehatedguy · 04-09-2008

Nope, not those. I know...but sworn not to tell.

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Originally Posted by ca90ss

They look like the BMS 4540nd/JBL2407.

PureDynamics · 04-09-2008

Why do people think that companies just use stock parts of other people? Just cause it "Looks" like another comperssion driver? Does that mean its the same? Just like subs and other speakers, companies will and do OEM for others.. Why have extra labor or extra cost in tooling that only does one thing? Having OEM saves the customer money in the long run. But any highend company is not going to leave that driver "stock" they are going to make changes.. Just cause you can't see them doesn't mean its not there.. Changing a magnet or changing a dome material or thickness, even a small coil change will make HUGE changes in the over all driver... I've all ways said you get what you paided for. Perfection comes with a cost..

**ca90ss** · 04-09-2008

Care to elaborate on what changes were made and why these changes usually come with a 300% price increase?

PureDynamics · 04-09-2008

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Originally Posted by ca90ss

Care to elaborate on what changes were made and why these changes usually come with a 300% price increase?

I will not say what changes have been made.. Why spend great deals of money and time to learn what works, just for you to hand it away? I'm sorry but you have to understand that. Price increases for the most part in any company come from a number of things. Some being material costs, labor cost, quantity pricing, research and development cost.

Now when companies make a change in material, for the most part its to a better material that normally costs more.. Say Aluminum to Beryllium.. Companies also make changes to the amount of material they want.. Say and thin dome to a thicker one.. More material more money it costs.

Labor also becomes a factor in pricing of a speaker or any part really.. Having a part done in china or a overseas factory may cost you say $1.00.. Now doing that same part same material, just changing where.. Say now USA.. it can change to $2.75.. Labor costs also may include Tooling costs.. Even the smallest change to a part may require a new tool.. Costing hundreds to thousands of dollars..

Quantity pricing is a big deal when dealing with OEM... A company may charge you $100.00 per part when you order say 100.. Now you bump your order to 1,000.. price comes down to $90.00.. Make a bigger order, 10,000pcs. you may get the price down to $60.. This all adds up VERY quickly

Now R&D becomes a factor as well.. Some companies spend tons of money and time learning and trying new things. Think they will just let that money go? They need to recoupe some of that.. Every cost you see has a added cost in it somewhere to help recoupe some of that money so the company can in turn use it for new and up coming ideas and products..

These are just some of the things that go on with every company.. If you have any more questions feel free to PM me.. I will be happy to talk to you on what I can..

innsanes · 04-09-2008

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Originally Posted by simplicityinsound

just how did you deduct that from what i said?

i said the crystal horns were not to my liking, and the ID horns are pretty reasonble when it comes to pricing

the crystals were way cheaper but they dont sound good

You said the ID were reasonable, so my guessing they didn't blow you away or amazed you. But that could be just me

nastynas · 04-10-2008

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Originally Posted by Fellippe

Consider the ID Horns a bargain when compared to some of the higher end USD horns...

USD Audio has a grand history of making horns, and their vintage stuff is the best of all time for car audio, IMHO.

Hey Fellippe or anyone for that matter, sorry for jacking this thread but I purchased what I believed were the Image Dynamics CD2 Full body horns but what they turned out to be were the USD Audio A.5.0's (full body) some ancient horns.

Is it worth changing these to the newer ID? I am thinking of doing that but really not sure of how much difference there is between them.

Any help would greatly be appreciated

Ps here's a pic of them.

thehatedguy · 04-10-2008

A driver change would/could probably net you some benefits.

Man, those are old USD horns.

04-07-2008	#1 (permalink)
innsanes DIYMA Novice Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SOCAL Age: 22 Posts: 261 iTrader: (3)	Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? I was intrigued when i saw the id horns. Really want to try one out but see that its really expensive. My question is does anyone know of another brand or driver that is comparable but cheaper. Thinking about buying the id horn bodies and a driver from parts express. The ID neos look very similar to this one.http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=264-274

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kskywr DIYMA Novice Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Houston Age: 30 Posts: 364 iTrader: (2)	Re: Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? The IDs are derivatives of the B&C drivers. You could possibly buy the B&C versions and just use the ID horn bodies. I can't remember which ID model numbers match up to which B&C model numbers. You should be able to do a quick search and find out though.
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ClinesSelect DIYMA Novice Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 998 iTrader: (8)	Re: Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? That is a screw on compression driver instead of a bolt on. Just a FYI. Some people think these are rather similar to the CD2. http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=294-608 The B&C are very nice compression drivers. I am using them now.

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drake78 DIYMA Enthusiast Join Date: May 2007 Location: s.cali Posts: 1,827 iTrader: (22)	Re: Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? Here is an article on ECA. He also has a list of car audio horn manufactures. http://www.elitecaraudio.com/article.php?sid=37

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ClinesSelect DIYMA Novice Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 998 iTrader: (8)	Re: Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? It's completely worth it, IMO.

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It_Hertz MDF/Fiberglass diet Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Aurora, Co Posts: 112 iTrader: (0)	Re: Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? I run ID's in my Subby and have installed them in quite a few other vehicles over the years. I have also worked with the USD horns back in the day as well as veritas. I would have to say of all these the ID's are my favorite. The new ultras are incredible. priced lower then the CD2's and sound just as good if not a little better. you could also look into finding a set of the CD1 pros from last year. they are a little less expensive and still work and sound very good.
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PureDynamics DYNAMICS Changes Life Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Cali Posts: 60 iTrader: (0)	Re: Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? Why do people think that companies just use stock parts of other people? Just cause it "Looks" like another comperssion driver? Does that mean its the same? Just like subs and other speakers, companies will and do OEM for others.. Why have extra labor or extra cost in tooling that only does one thing? Having OEM saves the customer money in the long run. But any highend company is not going to leave that driver "stock" they are going to make changes.. Just cause you can't see them doesn't mean its not there.. Changing a magnet or changing a dome material or thickness, even a small coil change will make HUGE changes in the over all driver... I've all ways said you get what you paided for. Perfection comes with a cost..
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thehatedguy DIYMA Enthusiast Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nowhere, overthere Posts: 2,225 iTrader: (0)	Re: Does anybody makes horn for mobile beside Image dynamics? A driver change would/could probably net you some benefits. Man, those are old USD horns.