Sundown SD-1 v.2 Sale - $150 shipped

[sundownz]

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16576

For those in need of a shallow (4.5") SQ oriented driver.

Hope everyone is enjoying the special offers lately :)

[denim]

:) Great price.

[unpredictableacts]

....So is NPDANG getting one for review....that would help sells.;)

[dogstar]

What sort of enclosure requirements?

I see that your site still shows the older V1s, will the requirements be similar?

[sundownz]

What sort of enclosure requirements?

I see that your site still shows the older V1s, will the requirements be similar?

Yes, box requirements are just about identical from the v1 to these.

The link has all of the info on the new ones -- the site is being re-built so does not have all the newest information yet.

[Infinity]

And they sound damned fine- very natural.

[sundownz]

And they sound damned fine- very natural.

Hey, glad you are enjoying them! :) I hope some others get the chance thanks to the sale!

[bassfromspace]

....So is NPDANG getting one for review....that would help sells.;)

agreed.

[sundownz]

agreed.

Does he have time to do a listening review these days ?

[unpredictableacts]

Does he have time to do a listening review these days ?

Worth a try....He is very respected and has a non bias review which can be good or bad.:)

[Hispls]

Do these remind anyone else of the old school Soundstream subs?

[Infinity]

Do these remind anyone else of the old school Soundstream subs?

I wonder why that may be ? ;)

[sundownz]

Do these remind anyone else of the old school Soundstream subs?

I get that alot :)

[Infinity]

Actually, they even sound similar. They seem to have given up a bit of efficiency for box size, but that may be just my memory.

[sundownz]

Actually, they even sound similar. They seem to have given up a bit of efficiency for box size, but that may be just my memory.

So, I take it you enjoy them? :D Very glad to hear it!

[Infinity]

So, I take it you enjoy them? :D Very glad to hear it!

Oh, yeah. And, I haven't even installed them in my truck yet. I've had them in the enclosure running as the subwoofer for my 5.1 attached to my computer (NOT a normal computer system). I can't wait to overpower them in my truck :D

[sundownz]

Oh, yeah. And, I haven't even installed them in my truck yet. I've had them in the enclosure running as the subwoofer for my 5.1 attached to my computer (NOT a normal computer system). I can't wait to overpower them in my truck :D

I'm looking forward to your review @ that time :)

[sundownz]

I sent npdang a PM about doing a review. If he has the time I'll send him one to do a listening review :)

Also... special pricing added for 4, 6, or 8 subs:

4x SD-1 v.2 - $560 shipped
6x SD-1 v.2 - $810 shipped
8x SD-1 v.2 - $1040 shipped

[sundownz]

I'm shipping one to npdang today to get his thoughts and a review :)

[chrisw85]

I'm shipping one to npdang today to get his thoughts and a review :)

Looking forward to it.
I've got three 10" subs in mind, this one, IDQ-10 v3 (or v2), Rsd10d (the dual-4 has a 91db sensitivity versus the single-4 88db)...I believe I've already read a review where the 12" ID-max and rsd12d were compared, but I want to make a compact install so a 10 will suffice.

[BEAVER]

Rsd10d (the dual-4 has a 91db sensitivity versus the single-4 88db)


That's because the D4 is wired in parallel... don't be fooled by this measurement.

[chrisw85]

That's because the D4 is wired in parallel... don't be fooled by this measurement.

So if i were to get the rsd10, in real terms, the D4 in series at 8ohms would yield about 88db as well? I can get the S4 for about $20 less than the D4. But if the D4 at 8ohms yields the same sensitivity as a S4, may as well get the D4 and run at 8ohms, less current draw on the amp and same sensitivity...

[capnxtreme]

Regardless of the sensitivity, you'd still be delivering ~1/2 the power into twice the load.

I suspect the RSD's need more power to get moving than the Sundowns do.

[BEAVER]

In series it should measure more like 85dB, in theory.

[sundownz]

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17667

The model is now being discontinued and price reduced to a blow-out $115 shipped.

Due to the lower price the warranty has been reduced to a guarantee against DOA only.

[capnxtreme]

Would 250w on one of these work well?

Is 0.9 ft^3 the biggest box you recommend?

[sundownz]

Would 250w on one of these work well?

Is 0.9 ft^3 the biggest box you recommend?

250 watts works nicely. I ran an SAX-100.2 on my pair for quite a while.

0.9 cubes is the 0.707 alignment with no poly stuffing. If you go larger you get a lower Qtc and need even less power to reach full excursion - it won't hurt to go a bit bigger if you want to.

[denim]

Holy crap!!!

[Infinity]

It is a shame to see them go- they are a "sophisticated" driver.

Jake, will the v3's be any shallower? What kind of changes are you looking/hoping for?

[sundownz]

It is a shame to see them go- they are a "sophisticated" driver.

Jake, will the v3's be any shallower? What kind of changes are you looking/hoping for?

The v.3 will be slightly deeper to make room for a basket with vent windows. Still only 5" deep.

Also moving to a rubber surround and fully insulated leads so customers have the option to use them as marine speakers.

[sundownz]

Combo deals added to the blow-out sale so you can gets subs and amp together :)

COMBO DEALS:

SAX-100.2 + 2x SD-1 v.2 10" - $455 (shipped)
SAE-1000D + 2x SD-1 v.2 10" - $530 (shipped)

[Infinity]

The v.3 will be slightly deeper to make room for a basket with vent windows. Still only 5" deep.

Also moving to a rubber surround and fully insulated leads so customers have the option to use them as marine speakers.

Sonds like a nice driver, but won't fit where I need it :( Maybe a new Mag will work. Since I'm sure you have some experience with it, would it be comparable in SQ and output to my v2's. The Mag would be sealed in .5-.7 cubes, my V2's are sealed at .6 each. I have the sub channel of a Power 1000 available.

If I wished to use my current v2's in a home theater setup, what kind of alignment do you recommend?

[sundownz]

Sonds like a nice driver, but won't fit where I need it :( Maybe a new Mag will work. Since I'm sure you have some experience with it, would it be comparable in SQ and output to my v2's. The Mag would be sealed in .5-.7 cubes, my V2's are sealed at .6 each. I have the sub channel of a Power 1000 available.

If I wished to use my current v2's in a home theater setup, what kind of alignment do you recommend?

The Mag is about 5.5" deep - the new BM, on the other hand, will be only about 3.5" deep or so - IIRC.

I have heard the new Mag already and it sounds fantastic. The new BM is still in prototype, but I hope to hear it in the near future :)

For HT I'd look into ~2.6 ft^3 tuned to ~25 Hz for the pair, that gives an F3 of about 24 Hz which would work nicely for movies and whatnot. You really won't need alot of power either - 200 watts each from a plate amp would do nicely, IMO.

[Infinity]

The Mag is about 5.5" deep - the new BM, on the other hand, will be only about 3.5" deep or so - IIRC.

I have heard the new Mag already and it sounds fantastic. The new BM is still in prototype, but I hope to hear it in the near future :)

For HT I'd look into ~2.6 ft^3 tuned to ~25 Hz for the pair, that gives an F3 of about 24 Hz which would work nicely for movies and whatnot. You really won't need alot of power either - 200 watts each from a plate amp would do nicely, IMO.

I was actually coming back to fix my post to show the BM. I look forward to that.

So 1.3 each at 25hz, and low power is always a plus. I'll bust out the tape measure tonight. These could make for decent HT subs with good WAF if I do this right, and keep me a totally stealthed truck install, too. If you'll do a full class-D 5 channel with good output, I'll just start signing over paychecks :p

[sundownz]

*laughs*

I have been looking into full-range Class-D for a while but haven't yet ran into anything that really stands out to me. I'm still digging into it... perhaps next year!

[mike_f]

I received my Sundown SD-1 v.2 yesterday. Thanks for shipping it out so quickly. I have it installed in my F-150 and look forward to breaking it in. :)

[bjayjr5679]

anyone else try these? Hey Jacob how would these do in .60 sealed each and with 200 watts a piece? Really tempted.

[Infinity]

anyone else try these? Hey Jacob how would these do in .60 sealed each and with 200 watts a piece? Really tempted.

That's where I had mine, using them in the living room since I never installed them in my truck. They're fucking clean. They don't quite get as low as I would like in my LR, but in car, I expect they would have no issues. 200 watts is more than enough to drive them, and they remind me of hitting a concrete slab with a sledgehammer. A nice pop with no overhang, and no need for a bajillion watts.

Oh, I stuffed 3/4# of polyfill in each .6 cubes on mine.

[sundownz]

What Infinity says about the sound is exactly what I tend to hear from people about them.

[sundownz]

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18572

Review posted by JimJ on SSA:

" First off, thanks to Jacob of Sundown Audio for letting me review this driver smile.gif

I always like listening to lower-power woofers in the 2-300W range, because these smaller drivers show that especially when musical accuracy is concerned, you don't need the multi-kW behemoths that are becoming commonplace these days. Just 300W and a small sealed enclosure is often times all you need to realistically reproduce most anything you can throw at it. For this review, I wired the voice coils for a combined 8 ohm load, with an Xover point of 50Hz @ 24dB/oct. The enclosure was slightly under 1cF, sealed.

Aesthetics:

You normally don't expect much in the way of build quality for subwoofers in the SD-1's price bracket. I was pretty surprised on opening the packaging therefore to see push terminals and a basket more substantial than a simple stamped design. Small things like this may not impact the sound of the driver - but not having to find and crimp quick disconnects to mate to the typical terminals you find on subs of this nature is a time saver and is appreciated. The mounting depth lends itself well to mounting in center consoles or other hidden locations.

What's to Like:

Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um

The plucked strings of "Betta Git It In Ya Soul" exemplifies why I love this album; Mingus' playing is superb and a good sub should resolve all the grit and soul of the bass itself. I thought the SD-1 did an admirable job, with a good transient attack and ability to dig surprisingly deep without calling attention to itself.

Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (The Chain)

While the SD-1 didn't have the jaw-dropping command of this track that I experienced when I listened to the new Magnum, it's no slouch, either smile.gif The underlying bass line was tight and tuneful, with none of the bloat or lag that afflict inferior drivers. Overall volume was satisfying as well, any fears that I may have had about running out of undistorted output were soon ended with a flick of the volume knob.

Tift Merritt - Another Country (Something to Me, Broken)

I first heard Tift's new material live at MerleFest earlier this year, and while the acoustics weren't too great there, the studio versions are blissful exceptions to the current "loudness wars". This is not a place for a strong, overpowering subwoofer - it'll sound woefully out of place. The SD-1 provided all that was needed, and the overall effect got my foot tapping quite nicely. You really need to be able to enjoy these without thinking "Oh, that subwoofer sounds good" - the SD-1 allows you do to this easily in its recommended sealed alignment.

What's Not to Like:

With just a single 10", I felt as if large symphonic arrangements were slightly beyond the grasp of what the SD-1 could do cleanly. With more cone area to work with, I'm sure the individual drivers can handle it well, but with only one I don't think you'd be happy if your usual listening fare is heavy on Orff, Holst, or Tchaikovsky.

Overall, if you're looking for a small, unassuming subwoofer to play accurately on a budget, the SD-1 is a solid option. It's not a world-beater by any means, but it's an honest speaker that can be a welcome addition to a reasonable, lower-powered setup."

[sundownz]

As a reminder I lowered the blow-out price and packages are available:

SAX-100.2 + 2x SD-1 v.2 10" - $455 (shipped)
SAE-1000D + 2x SD-1 v.2 10" - $530 (shipped)
SD-1 v.2 by itself - $115 (shipped)

[sundownz]

Still have some of these guys :)

npdang has one and tested it a bit - hopefully he'll post a review up sometime!

Anyway... DIYMA special until they are gone, $85 shipped in the continental USA for however many you want. Starting to run a bit low on em' now so let me know!

[BeatsDownLow]

whats the smallest box these will work in for sealed?

[sundownz]

whats the smallest box these will work in for sealed?

1/2 cube w/ poly stuffing is a common box used by customers w/ these.

[snaimpally]

You've got PM. :)

Still have some of these guys :)

npdang has one and tested it a bit - hopefully he'll post a review up sometime!

Anyway... DIYMA special until they are gone, $85 shipped in the continental USA for however many you want. Starting to run a bit low on em' now so let me know!

[sundownz]

Still have some more to go around for now! :)

[WRX/Z28]

$85 shipped? Where do I paypal?

[BeatsDownLow]

sundownz@sundownaudio.com

i am picking 3 up tommorow

[BLACKonBLACK98]

ugggh... i'm too broke to be thinking about how good of a deal this is.

[snaimpally]

I'm trying hard not to order a second one. :)

ugggh... i'm too broke to be thinking about how good of a deal this is.

[sundownz]

Just got an order for two from NJ - I'll be shipping these same or next day for those that order!

[WRX/Z28]

Still available?

[sundownz]

Still available?

Yep, I have around 20 left.

[anthony914]

payment sent!
-anthony

[helosquid]

Payment sent!
Thanks Jacob

[sundownz]

Those will ship out Tuesday!

Thanks guys :)

[jamesjones]

Do you have any left? I'd like to buy two if possible.

[sundownz]

Do you have any left? I'd like to buy two if possible.

Yep, I will post when I am out - until then just assume I have some :)

[jamesjones]

Money sent for 2.
James

[sundownz]

Shipping several orders today - getting low, but still have some.

[sundownz]

I only have 7 left.

[google123]

How do these compare SQ-wise to like an IDQ 10"? I'm a noob but I'm looking for some SQ 10s for cheap. :D:D

[ccrobbins]

Everyone should get one for free, next time search. And welcome noob!


http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42670

[arai]

^^^Thats the new version .v3

[WRX/Z28]

^^^Thats the new version .v3

Uhm, it was the IDQ .v3 I think. I don't see anything saying NPDANG was testing a sundown V3, they are not available yet to my knowledge.



BTW, Paid!!!

for 2. I can't seem to find recomended box requirements. I'm assuming these are best in sealed applications?

[sundownz]

Indeed... there is no v.3 SD-1 available, he tested the v.2 which is on blowout sale now in this thread.

0.5 - 0.9 sealed (use poly in 1/2 cube)
1.0 - 1.25 vented tuned to ~30 Hz

[sundownz]

Four brand new ones left.

I have a couple sitting around that are either used or I need to re-cone that I'll list individually after those are gone.

[sundownz]

Two brand new ones left.

[anthony914]

Shipping several orders today - getting low, but still have some.

do you have tracking numbers?
-Anthony

[sundownz]

Tracking numbers for all orders were sent UPS Quantum View Notify to the Paypal e-mail account from the transaction - may have ended up in your spam box.

[bjayjr5679]

still two left?

[sundownz]

still two left?

Yep - the last two brand new ones.

[sundownz]

Still three available!

[anthony914]

Tracking numbers for all orders were sent UPS Quantum View Notify to the Paypal e-mail account from the transaction - may have ended up in your spam box.

i don't think that i got i

[sundownz]

You'll probably get yours today.

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There are still two here.

[anthony914]

You'll probably get yours today.

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There are still two here.
ypo got it today!
thanks

[sundownz]

Great :)

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Last two still available!

[sundownz]

All new ones sold.

We have a few slightly used and re-built ones left.

[bjayjr5679]

How much for the used ones?


All new ones sold.

We have a few slightly used and re-built ones left.

[Generalg]

How much for the used ones?

Ya what he said?

I'm interested in a rebuilt one for cheap! :D

[sundownz]

70 shipped for used or re-build units.

They are all in at least "good" condition.

[Generalg]

What are the specs for a ported enclosure for this sub? VERY interested in buying this sub.

[bjayjr5679]

do you by chance have any pics of the subs? Thanks Jacob.

[sundownz]

What are the specs for a ported enclosure for this sub? VERY interested in buying this sub.

0.5 - 0.9 sealed (use poly in 1/2 cube)
1.0 - 1.25 vented tuned to ~30 Hz

[sundownz]

do you by chance have any pics of the subs? Thanks Jacob.

I do not. All of the used / re-built subs could almost pass for new - they are in good condition.

[bjayjr5679]

I do not. All of the used / re-built subs could almost pass for new - they are in good condition.

Thanks

[sundownz]

I have five used / re-built for sure.

Maybe a sixth pending testing it.

[Thewiz666]

Interested in two, but can't do anything until I'm home from work. I shouldn't even be on here now, and I should've gotten the last two new ones when I first saw this thread yesterday...

[Generalg]

How would this sub rate compared to the Dayton HO 10"..... I'm about a click away from ordering one of the SD-1 v.2's....

[BeatsDownLow]

Npang did a comaprison between these and the new idq 10", these were pretty much on the same level as the ID subs, which puts them in great standing in my book, especially since they cost 1/3 of the price

[Generalg]

Awesome! I saw that post from Npang about the IDQ 10 Vs this SUndown.

For the price I have to try it out.

[lyttleviet]

i know a few people I will send this way.

[stevexyz]

I do not. All of the used / re-built subs could almost pass for new - they are in good condition.

how do you rate them cosmetically? any bad scratches? if i take four, can i get some more discount?:D

[sundownz]

Tested that last one... it is good. Also sold two more.

That leaves four available at $70 each.

[WRX/Z28]

Was there ever any confirmation as to these being similar to SS old Velvet Hammer subs? Was it just the basket that looked the same?

[sundownz]

Not sure on any similarity to that driver - it was before my time.

[sundownz]

Sold out of these!

[bjayjr5679]

:( I waited to long :(