PRO Tuner's/Wanna'bes look

[starfish]

I (after install) will be tuning this system for my Nephew.
I'm a TOTAL Nuub' when it comes too this. BUT!

I have available too me some VERY HIGH end equipment.
A oscilloscope and spectrum analyzer. (think in the .25 of millions)
So after asking for so much help from this forum, i thought i would
offer too give something back. This thread will be open too anyone that
has tuning experience. I would ask Nuubs (like myself ) too read and enjoy
the info, but please don't clutter the work with allot of questions.
(thats what i'm here for)! This equipment i can use is not even (some of it) for sale yet My only point, If there are things tuners wanted too
know for car audio, but where out side the scope of the best units in
car audio, this is Prob. your best chance too find out.

These two units can tell things about frequency/time ect ect
that we don't even know we want too learn. (honest)
So that brings me to this thread, i will take pics, run test,
What ever there seems too be a need too know.

The car im going too tune Is a Golf with a active front
RSD's running on a Eclipse 4ch 60x4. The head unit is a new alpine 9887
The rear subs, JL w6's.

I'm interested in detailed suggestions on what is ideal for a car system,
Time/Frequency/stage..ect ect. What type of tricks we can do with
this equipment too improve those. And any request from the Guru tuners
about things they always wanted too know.

[tcguy85]

hmmmm....

[starfish]

Originally Posted by tcguy85

hmmmm....

Ill start with a question:


If you had this equip. too use, how would you use it too improve your sound
system? Say you were going too enter a SQ event, and needed too get a great tune, were would you start with this equip.?



Thats a good place too start i guess.

[bikinpunk]

I

CAN'T

TAKE

IT!!!!

Originally Posted by starfish

Ill start with a question:


If you had this equip. to use, how would you use it to improve your sound
system? Say you were going to enter a SQ event, and needed to get a great tune, were would you start with this equip.?



Thats a good place to start i guess.

FIXED!

[Antiwhy]

Originally Posted by bikinpunk

I

CAN'T

TAKE

IT!!!!



FIXED!

I thought I was the only one, LOL.

[starfish]

Originally Posted by Antiwhy

I thought I was the only one, LOL.

Cant take what????? The fact that you two aren't smart enough
to know what the hell can be learned with some time on this equip???

Funny how people just feel the need too show their ass when they
don't have anything too say productive.

[bassfromspace]

Originally Posted by starfish

Cant take what????? The fact that you two aren't smart enough
to know what the hell can be learned with some time on this equip???

Funny how people just feel the need too show their ass when they
don't have anything too say productive.

I think they're talking about your grammar sir.

[bikinpunk]

Originally Posted by starfish

Cant take what????? The fact that you two aren't smart enough
to know what the hell can be learned with some time on this equip???

Funny how people just feel the need too show their ass when they
don't have anything too say productive.

Look, man, you need to chill. It was a poke at your grammar. No need to get so pissy.

I was actually trying to think of a few answers to your question but commented on that first.

Edit: Had to fix my own grammar. You're =/= your.

[bikinpunk]

Now, to answer your question...

Seems to me like you simply have an RTA and O-scope at your discretion (however expensive they are). If there's more to them than the norm, then I think you might have to post a specific mfg/model # so we can get an idea of the capabilities. If not... There's a lot of threads on RTA's here, so if I were you, my first task would be to see what others have done with RTA's.

The o-scope could be used to set gains with more flexibility. When I asked for a tutorial on using o-scopes I didn't get much feedback due to the extra equipment needed. If you do a search for 'oscilloscope' and look around, you'll find that thread and possibly some ideas for you to pursue.

[starfish]

Originally Posted by bikinpunk

Now, to answer your question...

Seems to me like you simply have an RTA and O-scope at your discretion. There's a lot of threads on RTA's here, so if I were you, my first task would be to see what others have done with RTA's.

The o-scope could be used to set gains with more flexibility. When I asked for a tutorial on using o-scopes I didn't get much feedback due to the extra equipment needed. If you do a search for 'oscilloscope' and look around, you'll find that thread and possibly some ideas for you to pursue.

I'll give you that, i skipped grammar in High School. I know this.
I was a 80's kid. I'll try too do better.

I have a 250,000++$ Spectrum analyzer
And a oscilloscope that's over 100000.
These are new 2008 versions.

But what i really don't know..... what i can use them for when it comes too
Car audio?
I'm sure with some creative thinking, people can come up with ideas.
If not, i will play with them alone in the dark depths of a garage.

[bikinpunk]

As much as I'm sure you do know... maybe you don't...

You know what an RTA does, right? Your spectrum analyzer seems to be a glorified RTA of sorts. In a nutshell, I just can't think of any 'different' ways your tools can be used differently or how they would garner different results. Things may have better resolution, or more processing, etc, etc. But, in the long run, I just can't think of anything that you could do that would make your results different.

Or, maybe I just don't understand what you're asking.


Oh, and I didn't mean to come off as an ass in my first reply. I was just joshin with you, man. For future reference, "too" should be used when you're saying using it in place of "also", or something is in addition to. I doubt it matters, but just showing what I was talking about.

[MACS]

to, too, two.....three different words with three different meanings and no, you guys aren't the only ones.

[starfish]

Originally Posted by bikinpunk

As much as I'm sure you do know... maybe you don't...

You know what an RTA does, right? Your spectrum analyzer seems to be a glorified RTA of sorts. In a nutshell, I just can't think of any 'different' ways your tools can be used differently or how they would garner different results. Things may have better resolution, or more processing, etc, etc. But, in the long run, I just can't think of anything that you could do that would make your results different.

Or, maybe I just don't understand what you're asking.


Oh, and I didn't mean to come off as an ass in my first reply. I was just joshin with you, man. For future reference, "too" should be used when you're saying using it in place of "also", or something is in addition to. I doubt it matters, but just showing what I was talking about.

Well for one


Can you use a RTA, hook up a set of probes to the speaker wire
and get detailed reading from the the wire without using a mic?
Can a RTA monitor 4 ch of sound at the same time? Telling you
time, freq.
Can a RTA show a real time dot on the screen, and show sound
freq. real time as they happen off of 4 channels? able too move
the point around the inside of the car?
My point is, there is allot of things that may be read, that a rta
wont have a clue in reading.
Can a RTA pick a spot on the windshield, and monitor reflective
sounds?
So i have too admit, i tried to, best i could, explain that there is a chance
here to explore some new ideas. ( i don't know what they are, im a nuub)
Instead people decided it would be better to correct my known bad grammer
and be rude. So i guess my lack of grammar excludes me from begin able
to offer anything positive, like the free use of this equip. for the DIY forum
to learn something.

Sorry i asked.....

BTW: A Yale Grad. might correct you on this

"For future reference, "too" should be used when you're saying using it in place of "also", or something is in addition to"

But really who gives a crap!

[OgreDave]

This about time someone say thread worthless no pics!!!

I wanna see gear



I suck at screwing up on purpose .. I can do fine mistakenly tho

[SSSnake]

If someone paid $350,000 for that equipment I have some test equipment that I would like to sell them...

$100,000 for an Oscope to measure audio freqs is the height of ignorance. $250,000 for a spectrum analyzer that operates in the audio spectrum is also blissful ignorance.

Can you use a RTA, hook up a set of probes to the speaker wire
and get detailed reading from the the wire without using a mic?

Yes, if you know what you are doing (which applies to the spectrum analyzer as well)

Can a RTA monitor 4 ch of sound at the same time? Telling you
time, freq.

I'm not sure what you mean by time but yes you can do four channels at the same time with some

Can a RTA show a real time dot on the screen, and show sound
freq. real time as they happen off of 4 channels?

Except for the dot statement this is the same as the question above

able too move the point around the inside of the car?

sure, move the mic

My point is, there is allot of things that may be read, that a rta
wont have a clue in reading.
Can a RTA pick a spot on the windshield, and monitor reflective
sounds?

Sure, use a directional mic and get it aimed appropriately at the spot on the windshield. There is nothing magic about the reflected sound.


A piece of sage advice for you young grasshopper... a tool is only as good as the craftsman using it.

[envisionelec]

Originally Posted by SSSnake

If someone paid $350,000 for that equipment I have some test equipment that I would like to sell them...

$100,000 for an Oscope to measure audio freqs is the height of ignorance. $250,000 for a spectrum analyzer that operates in the audio spectrum is also blissful ignorance.

A piece of sage advice for you young grasshopper... a tool is only as good as the craftsman using it.

No kidding. Our new Rohde & Schwarz SA which can measure to 6G was only $60K.

[MACS]

Originally Posted by starfish

I'll give you that, i skipped grammar in High School. I know this.
I was a 80's kid. I'll try too do better.

I have a 250,000++$ Spectrum analyzer
And a oscilloscope that's over 100000.

D

Damn.....I've been into car audio since the early 1980's and I still don't own a O-scope or RTA.

I suck.

[starfish]

Originally Posted by SSSnake

If someone paid $350,000 for that equipment I have some test equipment that I would like to sell them...

$100,000 for an Oscope to measure audio freqs is the height of ignorance. $250,000 for a spectrum analyzer that operates in the audio spectrum is also blissful ignorance.





Yes, if you know what you are doing (which applies to the spectrum analyzer as well)



I'm not sure what you mean by time but yes you can do four channels at the same time with some



Except for the dot statement this is the same as the question above



sure, move the mic



Sure, use a directional mic and get it aimed appropriately at the spot on the windshield. There is nothing magic about the reflected sound.


A piece of sage advice for you young grasshopper... a tool is only as good as the craftsman using it.

you sir are a complete dipshit....

The equip. i can use (never said i owned) is used by people
that i don't know.... To even suggest that this equip. could be purchased
too use in the audio field is a f@(!ng joke.
You really showed your ass well. Thanks for the Laugh!
I said in my first post, i am a nuub.. are you shocked????
But the person that is letting me use the item, knows how too
use it. I just needed too know what do with it. This thread has
turned too crap, your loss......

Mods lock this thread up. I'm done here