F&%k you republicans you fucking scumsucking losers

[BoostedNihilist]

Topic says it all

in closing

to all republicans

go fuck yourselves without a rubber get preggo and not have an abortion you right wing assholes

/rant off

[BeatsDownLow]

democrats lick hairy choads

[BassBaller5]

i never thought id see the day where DIYMA had threads where an "IBTL" would be necessary...

way to waste food/oxygen/ and oil that could be used for intelligent society

[AWC]

The Dump is where this belongs. You guys can massage yourselves all day long while wallowing in your own misery for never doing anything to benefit the society you have taken the time to pounce on.

[Porsche]

Typical response from a Democrat

Christian

Topic says it all

in closing

to all republicans

go fuck yourselves without a rubber get preggo and not have an abortion you right wing assholes

/rant off

[BoostedNihilist]

democrats lick hairy choads

apparently so do 17 year old conservatives..

So much for abstinence.. lol

[BoostedNihilist]

Typical response from a Democrat

Didn't hear much differnt coming from the republicans last night..

besides, I'm an independant

[AWC]

Will this be the extent of our probelm solving abilities? Or can I wait for more on pins-and-needles. BN, I never expect much, but this is just dissapointing. I seriously doubt that you are a democrat. Don't get me worng, I'm neither. I would have no part of a club that would have me as a member....who said that?

[CRD]

Everyone Sucks :D

[Porsche]

You must be the forum moron, the Republicans hit a gran slam out of the park.

Unlike the Democrats the Republicans are united. It's funny how Hillary and Biden both said Obama was not fit to run the country when they were in the race, however, he is now the "great white hope" for the Democrats, how ironic

Christian


Didn't hear much differnt coming from the republicans last night..

[BoostedNihilist]

AWC: Well, since I don't come here to cater to you I wouldn't expect you to expect much.

The sad part is, the republican platform is superior.. yet bogged down with so much right wing evangelical BS it becomes not so much a political platform as a religious platform...

I thought church and state were separated?

[AWC]

Groucho Marx. I'm sorry but we don't have a very good candidate this year...or next time or even later. As I spoke earlier and absolutely believe this 100%. This is YOUR fault.

[BoostedNihilist]

You must be the forum moron, the Republicans hit a gran slam out of the park.

I don't think so tim.

Maybe if they were holding a celebrity roast they did a good job, but I didn't hear much about their platform.. All I heard was the yapping of some woman who can't even her family follows her values... how she gonna get a country to?

Besides, she was before the bridge before she wasn't
she's under a senate investigation for abuse of power
she is for creationism in our schools
and, she preaches abstinence and does not support sex education..

Sounds very hypocritical to me.

What do you think McCain would have said about Palin if she was running against him in the primaries? He would have said the same thing about her as they say about obama...

it's easy to fly under the radar when you are an insignificant wench from an insignificant state

Besides, it's easy to draw in voters when they are scared of a. a terrorist attack, and b. going to hell...

I especially liked how palin exploited her sons service to further her own political agenda.. wow, what a great mom, send her son off to be killed to prove a politicalpoint.. good on you girl.

Though I don't agree with McCain at least the man has some class... Sara palin is that fat youth group chick with a holier than thou attitude and you guys are gonna give her actual power? Scary thought

[Porsche]

You have very little water in your glass

I don't think so tim. It's Christian

Maybe if they were holding a celebrity roast they did a good job, but I didn't hear much about their platform.. All I heard was the yapping of some woman who can't even her family follows her values... how she gonna get a country to? give me a break, her daughter is pregnant, shit happens

Besides, she was before the bridge before she wasn't
she's under a senate investigation for abuse of power
she is for creationism in our schools
and, she preaches abstinence and does not support sex education..

Sounds very hypocritical to me. not at all

What do you think McCain would have said about Palin if she was running against him in the primaries? He would have said the same thing about her as they say about obama...what ifs

it's easy to fly under the radar when you are an insignificant wench from an insignificant state80% approval

[BoostedNihilist]

give me a break, her daughter is pregnant, shit happens

A condom is a device that fits over the penis and prevents sperm from entering a vagina...

maybe if the family told bristol this, 'shit' (if you can characterize a pregnancy as such) would not have happened... 'shit' has a very small chance of happening if you understand the physics behind a condom.

If she can't raise her family to follow a. common sense, and b. her values why should I have any confidence she willd o better for the country?

I notice you didn't have much to say about the senate investigation or the flip-flop on the bridge to nowhere... typical

She's probably related to 80% of the people in that state. Hey, isn't alaska like the oil capital of the USA? Sounds like you're voting in a bush with a different bush.

[capnxtreme]

"Everyone in the room is now dumber, having listened to you."

[Porsche]

You are pitiful, how old are you?

A condom is a device that fits over the penis and prevents sperm from entering a vagina...it's a shame that your mother did not insist on your father wearing one

maybe if the family told bristol this, 'shit' (if you can characterize a pregnancy as such) would not have happened... 'shit' has a very small chance of happening if you understand the physics behind a condom.I understand physics, I also understand "shit happens", does not make anyone a bad person

If she can't raise her family to follow a. common sense, and b. her values why should I have any confidence she willd o better for the country?this is a weak argument, I guess you support that racist Obama, he's a real winner with superb morals

I notice you didn't have much to say about the senate investigation or the flip-flop on the bridge to nowhere... typicalwhat's there to say, it's under investigation

She's probably related to 80% of the people in that state. Hey, isn't alaska like the oil capital of the USA? Sounds like you're voting in a bush with a different bush.

[BoostedNihilist]

"Everyone in the room is now dumber, having listened to you."

Nice to see the forum retard has made an apperance.

Need me to wipe the spittle off your cheek?

[Boostedrex]

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[sandman661]

all people in politics suck..They lie and manipulate and you can't trust a one of them... They are ALL corrupt...But this is our system of government and you have to try and pick the least greasy of the scumbags to represent you and your beliefs...I am neither a liberal or a conservative, I believe both have their good and bad policies and i try and vote for the person that will be least likely to screw up the country even more then it is right now...

Never talk about politics, religion or abortion, you are just asking for trouble...MHO

[Zakerid]

trying to figure out how old boostednihilist is... not old enough to have a clue....

[bmaupin]

Unlike the Democrats the Republicans are united. It's funny how Hillary and Biden both said Obama was not fit to run the country when they were in the race, however, he is now the "great white hope" for the Democrats, how ironic

Uh, Romney and Giuliani said the same thing about McCain - that's just primary talk. I do hate the slander. Hopefully the issues will be forefront soon and we can compare what these candidates did in the past, what they plan to do in the future, and whether or not there is any chance that their plan will work. The next president needs to be able to address the issues from a "how is this problem best solved for the country" attitude rather than "how does solving this problem best suit my constituents so that they will vote for me again next time".

- Brad

[BoostedNihilist]

trying to figure out how old boostednihilist is... not old enough to have a clue....

It was colonel mustard in the study with the candlestick

Old enough to know what 'clue' is
Old enough to have voted in an election here or there
Old enough to know when I'm being sold a line

Sure, mock me. Doesn't change the fact that the country is a mess and the world hates it.

Who needs the world in this global economy anyways?

[BoostedNihilist]

You guys can massage yourselves all day long while wallowing in your own misery for never doing anything to benefit the society you have taken the time to pounce on.

Once again the king of arrogant assumptions shows us what he is made of

[Porsche]

Seems like you are old enough for several things, it's a shame you are not old enough to know when to shut the hell up

Christian

It was colonel mustard in the study with the candlestick

Old enough to know what 'clue' is
Old enough to have voted in an election here or there
Old enough to know when I'm being sold a line

Sure, mock me. Doesn't change the fact that the country is a mess and the world hates it.

Who needs the world in this global economy anyways?

[Boostedrex]

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[Porsche]

It is quite ironic that this guy does not understand that, her son is fighting for this assholes rights/freedom/safety and like most Democrats they just don't see it

Christian

WOW! With that one paragraph you have shown how much of a total waste of flesh you are. How can you say that she "sent her son off to be killed?" Her son is man enough to serve in the military when it's a time of war. And I'm sorry that you don't get that. Do you have any idea what kind of dedication it takes to serve during and in a war?? You should commend her son for what he does, not slam his mother because of it.

[capnxtreme]

Nice to see the forum retard has made an apperance.

What can I say, your thread is worthy.

[Neil]

You must be the forum moron, the Republicans hit a gran slam out of the park.

Unlike the Democrats the Republicans are united. It's funny how Hillary and Biden both said Obama was not fit to run the country when they were in the race, however, he is now the "great white hope" for the Democrats, how ironic

Christian

All the Republicans said the same thing about McCain, especially when he was polling badly.

But keep towing the partisan bullshit line. :)

edit for clarification: Both parties are horrible, and what makes them even worse is that everything they do is about the party. They're all about dividing us against them. They don't make choices based on what is right or good for the country, they make choices based on the base and party they're trying to appeal to.

[Porsche]

I do not recall the Republicans saying he was not capable or could not run the country

Christian

All the Republicans said the same thing about McCain, especially when he was polling badly.

But keep towing the partisan bullshit line. :)

[Boostedrex]

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[BoostedNihilist]

WOW! With that one paragraph you have shown how much of a total waste of flesh you are. How can you say that she "sent her son off to be killed?" Her son is man enough to serve in the military when it's a time of war. And I'm sorry that you don't get that. Do you have any idea what kind of dedication it takes to serve during and in a war?? You should commend her son for what he does, not slam his mother because of it.

Well, I do commend her son. Nowhere in my statement did I imply that I did not. That is you reading what is not there.

regarding dedication, you don't want be dedicated to the job don't sign up.

You should be standing up for her son against the ignorance that got friends and neighbors sent over there in the first place! You call me a waste of flesh yet you stand against crtiticism which is widely echoed throughout the earth? I think you are the waste of flesh as you would gladly send people in on a mission that has no logical foundation.

[BoostedNihilist]

It is quite ironic that this guy does not understand that, her son is fighting for this assholes rights/freedom/safety and like most Democrats they just don't see it

When you can show me how invading iraq increased my freedom I will gladly entertain the idea of switching my position.

[AWC]

AWC: Well, since I don't come here to cater to you I wouldn't expect you to expect much.

The sad part is, the republican platform is superior.. yet bogged down with so much right wing evangelical BS it becomes not so much a political platform as a religious platform...

I thought church and state were separated?

I really don't care why you come here. However, there are certain rules and regulations that we follow as a group. Those rules do not usually involve outright cursing roughly half the population on the board. I've offered to play with you before. But pick a better topic;)

[Boostedrex]

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[BoostedNihilist]

If palin straps on some fatigues and actually goes out in the line of fire I will eat my words. (im talking about more than some stupid foto op so she can pander to the right) As it sits now she has exploited her sons very honorable commitments to further her political agenda. That is an utter lack of class and a complete insult to those who do actually stand to defend the country.

When the bus (the military) Is in the ditch I will help the passengers whenver I can.. but, if we're driving the bus, and it is not yet in the ditch.. why should we just go on and drive it on in?

[bmaupin]

It is quite ironic that this guy does not understand that, her son is fighting for this assholes rights/freedom/safety and like most Democrats they just don't see it

Iraq has nothing to do with any Americans rights, freedom, or safety. Remember that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 and only had something to do with terrorism after we invaded Iraq.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html

The Iraq war is mostly about oil and somewhat about that bad man Saddam Hussein. Who do you think will replace the US control in Iraq when we pull out? My bet is on some Arab miltaristic party more or less like the one that was there. What will we have accomplished? Thousands dead, billions spent, huge debt, recession and a deflated dollar.

[BoostedNihilist]

If palin straps on some fatigues and actually goes out in the line of fire I will eat my words. (im talking about more than some stupid foto op so she can pander to the right) As it sits now she has exploited her sons very honorable commitments to further her political agenda. That is an utter lack of class and a complete insult to those who do actually stand to defend the country.

When the bus (the military) Is in the ditch I will help the passengers whenver I can.. but, if we're driving the bus, and it is not yet in the ditch.. why should we just go on and drive it on in?

Besides, democrat or republican, the say is payed for by everyone.

[BoostedNihilist]

Does anyone else see the hypocrisy of gw standing up and saying 'bad russia' when they invaded georgia?

I can't believe he could even spit the words out..

[Boostedrex]

You know what, I apologize to everyone who's read my postings here. I always pride myself on not getting bent out of shape over anything that is on a forum. I'm done with this thread.

[BoostedNihilist]

Look here smart guy, I gladly sent myself over there countless times so don't you dare point a finger at me saying that I would send people over there for no reason. I've been there and have seen the good that is being done. Have you been to Iraq to walk the streets pre as well as post Saddam? I highly doubt it! I've been there and have been approached by many the random Iraqi citizen who wanted to thank me for helping them. You can't even begin to understand how awful their lives were when they were still under that dictatorship. Are things happening there that aren't great? Yes, it's called war. There is always going to be collateral damage during war and it's never pretty. War in itself is not a good thing. But radical idealists running around and gathering up an army that would gladly see anyone on Earth that doesn't share their point of view dead is something that can't be allowed. Or do you want to argue that as well?

On point, yes, I have been to the middle east, in fact I am leaving to go back in less than a month. Just because you run around with a gun shooting at people in the name of a flag does not give you a monopoly on seeing the forest for the trees. Was iraq better before or after? I am not in a position to make a choice either way... but, is iraq relevant in terms of anything? yes, it has been a huge waste of money, you will need to be there mccains 100 years to see any lasting improvement and with the actual iraqis wanting you gone this will not happen... so I see iraq as relevent in terms of a total failure predicated on faulty information manipulated by a government interested only in their own wealth and personal agenda.


But radical idealists running around and gathering up an army that would gladly see anyone on Earth that doesn't share their point of view dead is something that can't be allowed.

That is how I characterize the bush administration. I find it funny that the world is willing to appease america.. I thought we learned this lesson with the 'popular european party of world war 2'

[BoostedNihilist]

takes a real big man to shoot at people yet not stand behind his own words...

you might have honor within the ranks but you stink like a coward when you can't stand behind your words.

[Rudeboy]

Well, I just had lunch with my father - an 82 year old Republican since the 1950s. Naturally his first question was: "What did you think of Palin's speech"? My answer was slick, clever and very dishonest. I went on to describe her belief that abortion should be illegal in the case of incest or rape. That she had hired a lobbyist to get 23 million dollars for her 6,000-7,000 population town. That she took the money for the bridge to nowhere even though she didn't build the bridge. That she believed that Creationism should be taught in the public schools as science and that she belonged to a church that featured speaking in tongues and who's pastor has said that voting for a Democrat meant going to hell. He was disappointed to hear these things as I hope all decent Republicans will be.

Her son's military service should be commended, but there is no question that she was using it for political ends. That doesn't say anything negative about him. I'm much more concerned about her statement that "the Iraq war is a task from God".

Don't get me wrong. I don't care what anybody wants to believe in private. I just don't want extremists making or even influencing this country's policy. If the majority really wants to slide even further into the weird kleptocracy/oligarchy/theocracy that has been developing in the past 8 years, I have serious concerns about the future of this country. McCain had the opportunity to pursue a moderate course that might have been a reasonable choice. Looks like his decision to select Sarah Palin means he's determined to pursue culture wars as a way of distracting the voters from the very real problems we face.

[emrliquidlife]

Topic says it all

in closing

to all republicans

go fuck yourselves without a rubber get preggo and not have an abortion you right wing assholes

/rant off

Wow, in saying nothing, you have actually spoken volumes about yourself.

Ed

[AWC]

Once again the king of arrogant assumptions shows us what he is made of

Wow. My arrogance has only ever been in direct response to your intellectual assumptions. You assume you're smart, I correct you, you assume I am arrogant. I assume you will get passed this;) Again, I will play with you if you want. However, I won't get all tizzied as you intend to prove you are patriotic because you have the ability to point a finger in the direction the bus is driving while having no idea where the hell we are going.

When you can show me how invading iraq increased my freedom I will gladly entertain the idea of switching my position.

Right or wrong, invadin Iraq proved to the entire world that we, as Americans, will not stand for it. We will make shit up if we have to. However, for you to consider that the brave ones that joined after 9/11 do not deserve your absolute respect regardless of the reason they joined is just retarded. However, let me ask you this, how old were you on September 11, 2001?
Ok. Where, exactly, were you on Sept 12, 2001? Then fuck off.

Iraq has nothing to do with any Americans rights, freedom, or safety. Remember that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 and only had something to do with terrorism after we invaded Iraq.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html

The Iraq was is mostly about oil and somewhat about that bad man Saddam Hussein. Who do you think will replace the US control in Iraq when we pull out? My bet is on some Arab miltaristic party more or less like the one that was there. What will we have accomplished? Thousands dead, billions spent, huge debt, recession and a deflated dollar.

Please don't forget, even if there was alot of misinformation (read: lies), that Sadam Hussein gassed his own people. Tens of thousands. Women and children. One way or another, even if it weren't our place, this man needed to see justice for his crimes. I wish we never went to Iraq, as well (and I'm in Brmerton right this second BTW). It doesn't matter, though. We were there. Bad things happened and will continue to happen. We have an awful lot to be proud of when it comes to Iraqi progress.

If palin straps on some fatigues and actually goes out in the line of fire I will eat my words. (im talking about more than some stupid foto op so she can pander to the right) As it sits now she has exploited her sons very honorable commitments to further her political agenda. That is an utter lack of class and a complete insult to those who do actually stand to defend the country.

When the bus (the military) Is in the ditch I will help the passengers whenver I can.. but, if we're driving the bus, and it is not yet in the ditch.. why should we just go on and drive it on in?

Besides, democrat or republican, the say is payed for by everyone.

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that you would enlist in the Army if it were needed?

www.goarmy.com

There are now 2 war fronts, soon to be three? You never know. There is a program that can garantee Afghanistan is Iraq is too much for you. But the Afghans are hard to find and it gets pretty dull looking.

[Rudeboy]

Does anyone else see the hypocrisy of gw standing up and saying 'bad russia' when they invaded georgia?

I can't believe he could even spit the words out..

Even stranger when McCain said that this is 21st century and countries can't be allowed to go around invading other countries.

[BoostedNihilist]

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that you would enlist in the Army if it were needed?


If I believe the cause was right and just and in line with my beliefs fucking rights I would join... without hesitation.

I would go air force though.

[AWC]

takes a real big man to shoot at people yet not stand behind his own words...

you might have honor within the ranks but you stink like a coward when you can't stand behind your words.


Exactly who were you reffering to here?

Let me tell you son, as you are on a Quest for knowledge, you need to understand something. Going to Iraq will stick with you. It isn't ok for you to talk to Zack that way. It is very ok to talk to me that way. I've never elluded to some principle that I hold making arguing with people like yourself againsta my morals. Social mores notwithstanding, you haven't been to Iraq. You aren't going to Iraq in a month. I absolutely refuse to belive that you are worthy of the uniform that would be required wear. That would be bad. Sure, its bad, but not as bad as being shot, right;)

[AWC]

If I believe the cause was right and just and in line with my beliefs fucking rights I would join... without hesitation.

I would go air force though.

you'll run into ASVAB problems with the Air Force.
Answer the earlier question. September 12, 2002. Where were you? Then...STFU!!!

[BoostedNihilist]

Let me tell you son, as you are on a Quest for knowledge, you need to understand something. Going to Iraq will stick with you. It isn't ok for you to talk to Zack that way. It is very ok to talk to me that way. I've never elluded to some principle that I hold making arguing with people like yourself againsta my morals. Social mores notwithstanding, you haven't been to Iraq. You aren't going to Iraq in a month. I absolutely refuse to belive that you are worthy of the uniform that would be required wear. That would be bad. Sure, its bad, but not as bad as being shot, right

No, i have not been to iraq..

but to claim that you have stabilized a country you have to look at the impact the actions have had on the region... Standard american shortsightedness... the conflict is bigger than 'iraq' my friend.

It is okay for me to talk like that to zach, as far as I am concerned he is a hypocrite, gun totin country serving and all. I respect and honor his service, his opinion isn't worth the blood it is written in to me. Besides, zach didn't even take the time to read what I had written. Oh, he seen some figures that looked like letters strung together into words alright, but in the end he extrapolated a point which I didn't make, ever.... I am willing to listen and appreciate his perspective, but simply by joining the forces does not give him a free pass in terms of reading comprehension.

Where was I? Sept 12?

Working the late shift drivng bus (read: ambulance) Unlike you my world didn't stop when the towers came down.

Where were you? It must have been some place really special to afford you perspective which trumps mine.

[BoostedNihilist]

Considering some of the gems the forces let in (see that guy who threw the puppy off the cliff?) I'm not too concerned about an ASVAB test thank you very much.

[emrliquidlife]

So pray tell Boosted, who would you have preferred? Give us an idea of your perfect government.

How would you change things?

All I have read is hot air with occasional foul language. Offer something useful.

Ed

[emrliquidlife]

Considering some of the gems the forces let in (see that guy who threw the puppy off the cliff?) I'm not too concerned about an ASVAB test thank you very much.

There will always be those that have little self control. Show us how you are different.

[AWC]

On point, yes, I have been to the middle east, in fact I am leaving to go back in less than a month. Just because you run around with a gun shooting at people in the name of a flag does not give you a monopoly on seeing the forest for the trees. Was iraq better before or after? I am not in a position to make a choice either way... but, is iraq relevant in terms of anything? yes, it has been a huge waste of money, you will need to be there mccains 100 years to see any lasting improvement and with the actual iraqis wanting you gone this will not happen... so I see iraq as relevent in terms of a total failure predicated on faulty information manipulated by a government interested only in their own wealth and personal agenda.




That is how I characterize the bush administration. I find it funny that the world is willing to appease america.. I thought we learned this lesson with the 'popular european party of world war 2'

No, i have not been to iraq..

but to claim that you have stabilized a country you have to look at the impact the actions have had on the region... Standard american shortsightedness... the conflict is bigger than 'iraq' my friend.

It is okay for me to talk like that to zach, as far as I am concerned he is a hypocrite, gun totin country serving and all. I respect and honor his service, his opinion isn't worth the blood it is written in to me.

It isn't ok. The reason is the ones that you've provided. You said that he (did you say coward or hypocrite..or both) because he can't back up words? I'm not sure about the original relevance but I'm absolutley positive that these would not be your words if you were in person. In short, you are a punk that will somday be in a position to respect the sacrifices that have been made for you. You are great (you're actually not great at all...kind of retarded) at throwing out words but you have offered no action. If something needs fixed stand up and fix it. Don't just talk about the people that you believe have broken it. You are just a frightened kid that is realizeing that the world is fixing to fall on your shoulders and realize that the only way you can even feel related to its turmoils is if you attack the people that at least did something.:rolleyes:

Its a big world. Alot of people would like to see America topple. You may be one of them. I don't know. But the threats that face us are real and absolute.

[BoostedNihilist]

There will always be those that have little self control. Show us how you are different.

Umm, sometimes right before I go to bed I eat ice cream because I like it...

Never thrown a harmless, helpless puppy, or any animal, off a cliff because I got bored... Different enough?

[BoostedNihilist]

Don't you think america would be safer if you used your army to check every container coming off a ship into your country?

You are just a frightened kid that is realizeing that the world is fixing to fall on your shoulders and realize that the only way you can even feel related to its turmoils is if you attack the people that at least did something.

These people whould be... the iraqis?

[emrliquidlife]

Umm, sometimes right before I go to bed I eat ice cream because I like it...

Never thrown a harmless, helpless puppy, or any animal, off a cliff because I got bored... Different enough?

With all due respect, again, you have said nothing useful.

So, entertain what little remains of your audience in this thread. I and others like me are working hard to make the world a better place.

I certainly don't start by saying "Fuck you."

[AWC]

Don't you think america would be safer if you used your army to check every container coming off a ship into your country?



These people whould be... the iraqis?

safer? did you think about that before you typed it? do you have any idea what you are talking about?

[BoostedNihilist]

With all due respect, again, you have said nothing useful.

I answered your question exactly..

want a useful answer, ask a useful question

So, entertain what little remains of your audience in this thread. I and others like me are working hard to make the world a better place.

When you're talking to a bunch of people who don't want to help, I always start with fuck you.

[BoostedNihilist]

safer? did you think about that before you typed it? do you have any idea what you are talking about?

I guess not, I was under the impression that you could keep dirty nukes out of the country (read: keep your country safer) by actually searching for them... my bad. What a stupid idea.

[AWC]

With all due respect, again, you have said nothing useful.

So, entertain what little remains of your audience in this thread. I and others like me are working hard to make the world a better place.

I certainly don't start by saying "Fuck you."

I can appreciate the stance of those wishing to not be involved with this subject. I, however, find you just as entertaining as a laser-pointer and kitten. I will fondle you until you chaffe. You are outgunned. The Army checking every container?:rolleyes:

There are well over 6,000 containers coming into this port (where I'm sitting, right now) tomorrow between 0600-1200. They'll need a little help. Who's going to pay for that man-power and how well should we search each connex? What exactly are we looking for? God I hope I can play with you a little longer before the ban sets in.

[amapro704]

After reading this entire thread, Ill chime in:


Condoms suck



















boosted, you need to do some research on the long term history of democratic forms of goverment with regard to their longevity and cyclical nature that thru history has ALWAYS resulted in their demise. History is and always will be the best indicator of the future. Everyone in our generation seems to view the US and the Democracy that we have in place as a permanent and everlasting thing, but it is fragile and oh so young. The war in Iraq was not to increase your freedom like you asked earlier, but just to prolong it and a lot more fighting will have to happen if we want to keep others from taking whats ours. Like protecting your household from an intruder, but on a grand scale. Poorly managed and overextended the war is but shit happens ;)

We are in the phase of democratic government that follows complacency called apathy and it is where the weakening begins. Good intentions or not, world peace is a wet dream and pursuing it will make US worse off. We just have to agree that the goal should be to keep war away from our homes and families. There will always be war somewhere. Always.

[BoostedNihilist]

here are well over 6,000 containers coming into this port (where I'm sitting, right now) tomorrow between 0600-1200. They'll need a little help. Who's going to pay for that man-power and how well should we search each connex? What exactly are we looking for? God I hope I can play with you a little longer before the ban sets in.

I read this and what it says to me is

"the job is too hard so we don't want to do it"

Not what I would expect from an 'american'

[AWC]

I guess not, I was under the impression that you could keep dirty nukes out of the country (read: keep your country safer) by actually searching for them... my bad. What a stupid idea.

Well there is sattelite systems in place looking for extraordinary (read the literal meaning of the word, not superfantastic, just extra-ordinary) amounts of radiation. The last time the warning went off we found quite a bit of granite monoliths for carving..or something. Anyway, the Coast guard went out, since policy dictates it remain stationary or we WILL dispose of the vessel, and did the investigation. We watch what we can.

[BoostedNihilist]

Good intentions or not, world peace is a wet dream and pursuing it will make US worse off.

This is just a 'not in my backyard' argument.. repulsive

[AWC]

where are you from anyway? You keep saying "your country" and the like. Anyway, I'm at a relatively small port compared to the one 50 miles away which will probably be roughly 15,000 connexes in one morning. Umm....are you doing any math?

[BoostedNihilist]

boosted, you need to do some research on the long term history of democratic forms of goverment with regard to their longevity and cyclical nature that thru history has ALWAYS resulted in their demise

I'm sure the research would show that internal corruption and social disillusionment was a much larger factor in the fall of those democracies when compared to say, external security threats.

[BoostedNihilist]

where are you from anyway? You keep saying "your country" and the like. Anyway, I'm at a relatively small port compared to the one 50 miles away which will probably be roughly 15,000 connexes in one morning. Umm....are you doing any math?

I see, because the logistics of actually doing something that would keep your country safe are difficult to quantify wars in countries which have nothing to do with the defined conflict of terrorism are an acceptable alternative?

[AWC]

where are you from anyway? You keep saying "your country" and the like. Anyway, I'm at a relatively small port compared to the one 50 miles away which will probably be roughly 15,000 connexes in one morning. Umm....are you doing any math?

Don't foget the Large port 75 miles away. Then we'll speak of the really big ones. IOW, you don't know what you're talking about. I've offered to argue with you if you can do two things. A, keep up. You're embarrasing me.
B, pick a better topic. Hopefully one you understand. IOW, do you or do you not believe that Smurfette was a hermaphrodite?

[AWC]

I see, because the logistics of actually doing something that would keep your country safe are difficult to quantify wars in countries which have nothing to do with the defined conflict of terrorism are an acceptable alternative?

straighten the grammer up on this one. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

[BoostedNihilist]

lmfao

location: Podunkville

[BoostedNihilist]

I see, because the logistics of actually doing something that would keep your country safe are difficult to quantify/achieve, wars in countries, which have nothing to do with the defined conflict of terrorism, are an acceptable alternative?

[BoostedNihilist]

Smurfette was a hermaphrodite?

Don't know.. never fucked a smurf, wouldn't even begin to know how to tell.

[BoostedNihilist]

the powers that be attack a country that had nothing to do with anything and I am the one who doesn't understand?

wow

[DS-21]

Didn't hear much differnt coming from the republicans last night..

besides, I'm an independant

I did. I heard Republicans end their post-2006 talk of reconcilation, and move straight into an Atwater-Rove style politics-of-personal-destruction kind of campaign. The only twist is that this time they're employing schoolboy sarcasm instead of more direct smears. I think Sen. Obama is the luckiest man in the world, because these people are a joke.

Also, the irony of a party that espouses self-reliance and autonomy from government attacking somebody for actually working in the NGO sphere to improve people's lives (i.e., "a community organizer") is really fucking rich.

Lastly, I learned that this woman who's barely qualified to run a family, let alone a country, is at least capable of excellent at the mechanics of delivering a speech that was entirely written for her by an ex-Bush speechwriter. Eight is enough, I say!


Right or wrong, invadin Iraq proved to the entire world that we, as Americans, will not stand for it.

Will not stand for what, exactly.

To quote our next president, "I'm not against all wars, I'm only against dumb wars."

Please don't forget, even if there was alot of misinformation (read: lies), that Sadam Hussein gassed his own people. Tens of thousands. Women and children.

That's probably not true, according to the report of the incident you're referencing by Stephen Pellietere on the Iraq desk at the CIA. Also, according to friends and family in other national intelligence agencies with global reach, those casualties were probably caused by Iranian forces.

[AWC]

I see, because the logistics of actually doing something that would keep your country safe are difficult to quantify/achieve, wars in countries, which have nothing to do with the defined conflict of terrorism, are an acceptable alternative?

Well gooly gee, having sattelites in place scanning the entire ocean for radiological activity outside the norm, random sampling of connexes arriving at port;) at the tune of around 4% IAW ANSI specs....seriously. If it weren't for my absolute knowledge of this exact subject I may not know (the way I truly do) just how full of shit you are.

And no you don't know if she's a hermy because she's way the fuck out of your league.

I'm going to be honest with you, which is probably not recomended based on the character faults you've already portrayed. There are problems in the system. There. Feel better?

However, there are people out there right now that have nightmares of explosions. There is an entire generation of soldiers and sailors coming home that deserve more than this. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem;)

IOW, quit being part of the problem. Much like spoonfeeding car audio knowledge, I feel as if we, the SM's, are spoon feeding people like you their freedom. I'm not asking for anything in return. I do hope that you don't crap on those that serve in person. I'm positive you'll learn something about yourself....like what its like to be afraid.

[capnxtreme]

Where was I? Sept 12?

Working the late shift drivng bus (read: ambulance)

Was it http://thewambulance.com/images/wambulance_logo.jpg?

[BoostedNihilist]

Well gooly gee, having sattelites in place scanning the entire ocean for radiological activity outside the norm, random sampling of connexes arriving at port at the tune of around 4% IAW ANSI specs....seriously. If it weren't for my absolute knowledge of this exact subject I may not know (the way I truly do) just how full of shit you are.


Those satellites pick up biological agents too?

But hey, if you feel comfortable being subservient to a machine by all means go for it.

However, there are people out there right now that have nightmares of explosions. There is an entire generation of soldiers and sailors coming home that deserve more than this. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem

A totally tragic example of how the republicans will rape the minds of their own young just to further their own political agenda.

[BoostedNihilist]

again with the forum retard...


do you not have one opinion which cannot be expressed by cutting a pasting in a .jpg?

[AWC]

I did. I heard Republicans end their post-2006 talk of reconcilation, and move straight into an Atwater-Rove style politics-of-personal-destruction kind of campaign. The only twist is that this time they're employing schoolboy sarcasm instead of more direct smears. I think Sen. Obama is the luckiest man in the world, because these people are a joke.

Also, the irony of a party that espouses self-reliance and autonomy from government attacking somebody for actually working in the NGO sphere to improve people's lives (i.e., "a community organizer") is really fucking rich.



Will not stand for what, exactly.

To quote our next president, "I'm not against all wars, I'm only against dumb wars."



That's probably not true, according to the report of the incident you're referencing by Stephen Pellietere on the Iraq desk at the CIA. Also, according to friends and family in other national intelligence agencies with global reach, those casualties were probably caused by Iranian forces.

Probably not true? Ok well, Chemical Ali was probably a good guy then:rolleyes: I can attest, however, that Saddam had such a hold of fear over those people that something needed to be done. Like I said, I wish we didn't go there either.

As far as "stand for what" exatly, please post the information needed to read the statement. I said (rather sarcastically) that we will make shit up if we have to...IOW, don't fuck with us. Its interesting that with all that has been said you had to take something out of context to get involved with...what side, exactly? Are you going to justify the disrespectful stance that has been taken in this post? Will you continue to wax lyrical about politics from the safety of your chair as well? I don't think its alot to ask that people consider the sacrifices of the SM's before speaking on such a topic.

The reason why you (BN) don't understand why its not ok to talk to Zack that way is because this may be yet another night of nightmare because of this conversation. You don't know because you have placed yourself in a safe situation that aloows for nothing but critique of the system that you'd rather talk about than actually try to repair.



Wow. My arrogance has only ever been in direct response to your intellectual assumptions. You assume you're smart, I correct you, you assume I am arrogant. I assume you will get passed this;) Again, I will play with you if you want. However, I won't get all tizzied as you intend to prove you are patriotic because you have the ability to point a finger in the direction the bus is driving while having no idea where the hell we are going.



Right or wrong, invadin Iraq proved to the entire world that we, as Americans, will not stand for it. We will make shit up if we have to. However, for you to consider that the brave ones that joined after 9/11 do not deserve your absolute respect regardless of the reason they joined is just retarded. However, let me ask you this, how old were you on September 11, 2001?
Ok. Where, exactly, were you on Sept 12, 2001? Then fuck off.



Please don't forget, even if there was alot of misinformation (read: lies), that Sadam Hussein gassed his own people. Tens of thousands. Women and children. One way or another, even if it weren't our place, this man needed to see justice for his crimes. I wish we never went to Iraq, as well (and I'm in Brmerton right this second BTW). It doesn't matter, though. We were there. Bad things happened and will continue to happen. We have an awful lot to be proud of when it comes to Iraqi progress.



I'm sorry, are you suggesting that you would enlist in the Army if it were needed?

www.goarmy.com

There are now 2 war fronts, soon to be three? You never know. There is a program that can garantee Afghanistan is Iraq is too much for you. But the Afghans are hard to find and it gets pretty dull looking.


The statement is ^^^ in its enireity.

[dogstar]

Hmm, So, lots of personal attacks seemingly lead by porsche and some bickering back and forth between nihiliist and awc, and yall still don't seem to know wtf your talking about.

Both of you could do with some growing up and realizing that government sucks ass and Americans seem to be determined to elect a GWB clone, not much up can do about it, but maybe look into entering politics and making a difference.

That being said, boo for mixing religion and politics.

[capnxtreme]

again with the forum retard...


do you not have one opinion which cannot be expressed by cutting a pasting in a .jpg?

Good point. Your style of meaningless ignorant rambling drivel is way cooler.

[AWC]

Those satellites pick up biological agents too?

But hey, if you feel comfortable being subservient to a machine by all means go for it.



A totally tragic example of how the republicans will rape the minds of their own young just to further their own political agenda.

you know, with a vast knowledge (and I mean fucking spooky amount of info rattling around) of CBRNE, (Chem BIo Radio Nuke high end explosive) I still don't know of a single biological detection system that will work...until its too late. You must have the answer that the experts don't have so...great. Good luck. I'm out for the day. I'll see ya tomorrow if you can live up to those two points I asked for earlier. Remember them?

[AWC]

Hmm, So, lots of personal attacks seemingly lead by porsche and some bickering back and forth between nihiliist and awc, and yall still don't seem to know wtf your talking about.

Both of you could do with some growing up and realizing that government sucks ass and Americans seem to be determined to elect a GWB clone, not much up can do about it, but maybe look into entering politics and making a difference.

That being said, boo for mixing religion and politics.

as a canadian I'll be expecting an apology soon;)
I've stuck to the topics I know. I don't know politics but I've said over and over, if its broken and it bothers you, fix it. Quit whining. The government "sucks ass" and I need to grow up:rolleyes:
I did what I thought was best for this country. the point of my stance all along. wasn't a matter of right or wrong. it was talk? or do? I did. So, thanks.

[BoostedNihilist]

I can attest, however, that Saddam had such a hold of fear over those people that something needed to be done.

Oh, now I see.. it's bad to live in fear unless you are living in fear of the americans... crystal clear now...

The reason why you (BN) don't understand why its not ok to talk to Zack that way is because this may be yet another night of nightmare because of this conversation. You don't know because you have placed yourself in a safe situation that aloows for nothing but critique of the system that you'd rather talk about than actually try to repair.


Actually, I do sometimes leave the ivory tower.. I have been to more 3rd world countries than developed nations, I have had guns pointed in my face, by people who have a lot less to live for or lose, with nothing to defend myself but words and guess what? I'm still here talking. Ive seen people living in the dirt actually struggling to live, they live in fear, fear of not being able to eat tonight, again... Yet, the richest nation wastes billions of dollars on a war (and lets make this clear the point of war is to kill people) while there are others out there starving... It's that kind of hypocrisy that makes america the present day joke of the world. America is a great nation with extremely fucked up priorities.

Then the great nation insults the world by not acting in their own best interests and when attacked merely use the repugnant act to drum up support for a war to control a commodity the nation of which we speak is addicted to...

What - A - Joke

Americans like to think that they are the 'last best hope' on the planet but it is that very arrogance that makes them the antithesis of what they claim to be.

Nightmares or not, he chose to join the forces fully cognizant of the possible outcomes. But to go there, see what he has seen then put it on me like he's doing me some grand favor is a bunch of bullshit. I feel for the guys over there losing parts and buddies but you don't join an army if you don't want to possibly die in the process. You especially don't join the army in a time of war. He mentioned ten years! That is more than one contract so he agreed with what was going on. He can't hide behind his service.. typical republican hoodwinking at its finest.. truly insulting.

Right or wrong, invadin Iraq proved to the entire world that we, as Americans, will not stand for it. We will make shit up if we have to.

Wow, that is so honorable.. I can virtually see the honor dripping off of that statement. Man america *IS* the best...

Good point. Your style of meaningless ignorant rambling drivel is way cooler.

OKay, then... I'll take that as a no

On a level the forum retard might understand

http://www.fatcitytattoo.com/vaseline.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/martialarts/1/0/J/fist4.jpg

(translation, go fuck yourself)

[capnxtreme]

Look at yourself. Look at your thread. You're throwing a temper tantrum like a little girl, and you expect to be approached with intelligent dialogue? Even those that have done so are clearly humoring themselves.

[BoostedNihilist]

*** dp

[BoostedNihilist]

Look at yourself. Look at your thread. You're throwing a temper tantrum like a little girl, and you expect to be approached with intelligent dialogue? Even those that have done so are clearly humoring themselves.

lmao

Ever consider even for one second that maybe I started this thread to humor myself?

What did you not understand about go fuck yourself?

When it comes to religion, war, politics, the sonic fingerprint of an amplifier, and threads the forum retard is involved in I never expect intellegent dialogue...

Fishing is easy when the fish jump right in the boat ;)

Wait till you hear what I have to say about the democrats

Though I already knew you were ignorant

You're throwing a temper tantrum like a little girl

pretty much makes you sexist.

Let me guess you hate gay people too?

REPUBLICAN!!!

[CGG318]

Lastly, I learned that this woman who's barely qualified to run a family, let alone a country, is at least capable of excellent at the mechanics of delivering a speech that was entirely written for her by an ex-Bush speechwriter.



Oh the Irony.

[spydertune]

http://z.about.com/d/martialarts/1/0/J/fist4.jpg

(translation, go fuck yourself)

Damn, I thought we were getting ready for paper, rock, scissors.

[BoostedNihilist]

he picked scissors ;)

[AWC]

Let's be clear. We all know, roughly, who you are (give or take a couple cells). Evolution is slow. Keep at it. No he joined willingly, knowing the risks. It is a matter of honor. Yes, I feel that America is lacking that quality, these days. I, however, joined as did he. Many others on this board and in your neighborhood. Soon, again, the culture of America will change because of the vastness of damage done to the collective psyche of the few that did stand for what they thought was right. It will trickle down. Unfortunately it will never do the same damage as the level of disrespect that the current youth is starting to portray. There will never be a good reason to display such a lack of patriotism. To stand and wave a sign, clench your fist and scream at a congressman, that's patriotic. To spew vile filth out of the dank corners of what could have been a brain..well, that's a shame.

I did not put the possibility of nightmares on you. I asked that you show some respect. This truly is the demise of America. It isn't ok to not have respect. I can honestly say that if you were my kid, I'd spot the fact that you need a good, wholesome, ass-whoopin' with a belt. I'm very serious when I say that's not ok. I'm not upset, you had me irritated earlier but never angry so I can positively say that I mean it and am not just speaking out of anger; this behavior isn't acceeptable:)

Lets consider this, you're a false identity here just to start trouble, right? Fine, I think its gay, but whatever, its how you get your kicks. You'll even disregard the respect to your country that deep inside you know full well is wrong, but hey, it gets a rise out of some guys who can never hold me accountable,anyway, right? So whatever, fine. I tink its kind of weak but you gotta do what you gotta do to get your kicks. I'll go along, I had you pegged from the get-go, remember?;) Anyway, I offer the fact taht this may be one topic that can actually be damaging. He very well could have lost some or 5 buddies and I even said "nightmares" and what? Still no concern? You can't just digress there and agree that some things should be respected and dropped? You had to openly state that it was more than 1 contract so he knowingly:rolleyes: enlisted again? (It is called indefinite after 10 years and they pretty much own you, I'll bet he would have considered another 4 years if not for that;))

I'm making an ass load of assumptions for a guy that I don't know from Sam but I am only trying to point out that some behavior, even if it is harmless anonymous internet fun, is not ok. It just isn't and somewhere in there, you know that it isn't. There is not a single scrap of evidence, contradiction, smart comment or even bible verse that will prove me wrong on this. Respect doesn't need to be mandatory but outright disrespect for because upsetting people brings you pleasure is not acceptable behavior. You know that.

I truly hope to see more people, in the future, put themselves in a position to improve the world in the ways that seem fit to them. For me it was to join the Army knowing full well I'd be going to Afghanistan. Iraq was not yet in the picture. I would have just as much respect if you stood with an anti-war sign in your hand because at least you'd be standing. In all honesty, if the Iraq war were before me without Afghanistan in the picture I would have protested to failure. If Iraq was before me WITH Afghanistan I would have done what I did. Its what I thought was right.

However, beginning a thread entitled:"F&%k you republicans you fucking scumsucking losers" and start whining, that's what you know to be inappropriate behavior. If you need to be addressed as a child, so be it.
Good luck.

[amapro704]

I see, because the logistics of actually doing something that would keep your country safe are difficult to quantify wars in countries which have nothing to do with the defined conflict of terrorism are an acceptable alternative?

Physical imossibility unless you want to cripple our economy. Like AWC said "cost".. It would cost too much.

Try counting to one million, seriously try it. It can't be done in a human lifetime.. Same thing here.

[ca90ss]

Try counting to one million, seriously try it. It can't be done in a human lifetime.. Same thing here.

That's only 1 number per second for ~11.5 days.

[AWC]

That's only 1 number per second for ~11.5 days.

so...methheads could do it?

[amapro704]

It takes about 5 seconds to say 982,542

Do the math its actually physically impossible

[AWC]

It takes about 5 seconds to say 982,542

Do the math its actually physically impossible

I get it. That's cool. Ok. So meth-heads would screw it up. Got it.:)

[ca90ss]

Even if it takes 5 seconds that's only 57.87 days.

[AWC]

well now there's an argument.

[DS-21]

Oh the Irony.

I agree. It is rather ironic that this woman either

A) cannot restrain her daughter from cavorting with morally suspect men who want to take her virtue before marrying her (the GOP/Christianist view); or

B) cannot bow to simple biological imperative and educate her daughter in the means to enjoy herself safely (the civilized view)

is trying to convince us she can be Veep based on her "family values" and a record in government of sucking hard on the Federal teat.

It seems to me that Sen. Obama has been smiled upon by destiny. First his probable challenger for the Senate ends up in a public sex scandal and the GOP nominates that crazy kook Alan Keyes to fight him, and now he's running for president with a seasoned veteran at his side against a doddering old asshole and an airhead. How cool is that?

[AWC]

I'm in no way supporting Reblicans, BTW. They're weird.

[spydertune]

It seems to me that Sen. Obama has been smiled upon by destiny. First his probable challenger for the Senate ends up in a public sex scandal and the GOP nominates that crazy kook Alan Keyes to fight him, and now he's running for president with a seasoned veteran at his side against a doddering old asshole and an airhead. How cool is that?

DS-21, there just cannot be a Citroen aficionado on this forum, could there?

[capnxtreme]

can't miss an opportunity to post pictures
http://www.spartanclassic.com/images/rock_paper_scissors_01.jpg

[CGG318]

I agree. It is rather ironic that this woman either

A) cannot restrain her daughter from cavorting with morally suspect men who want to take her virtue before marrying her (the GOP/Christianist view); or

B) cannot bow to simple biological imperative and educate her daughter in the means to enjoy herself safely (the civilized view)

The same could be said of Madelyn Dunham.


It seems to me that Sen. Obama has been smiled upon by destiny. First his probable challenger for the Senate ends up in a public sex scandal and the GOP nominates that crazy kook Alan Keyes to fight him, and now he's running for president with a seasoned veteran at his side against a doddering old asshole and an airhead. How cool is that?

Don't know about destiny. More like a hasty media propping up a candidate without due diligence.

Funny how the seasoned vet is playing sidekick to the least experienced candidate.

Are things so bad at the Obama camp that you have to resort to name calling?

[DS-21]

The same could be said of Madelyn Dunham.

Sen. Obama's mother was, of course, in college and not high school, so I'm not sure what that has to do with one's daughter getting knocked up whilst under one's own roof.

Moreover, I do not recall Sen. Obama's grandmother taking any of Failin' Palin's crazy Christianist positions so I do not see the relevance here.

Don't know about destiny. More like a hasty media propping up a candidate without due diligence.

There are only two possible interpretations of that sentence:
1) you are writing about Failin' Palin here; or
2) you haven't the foggiest notion what "due diligence" means.

Funny how the seasoned vet is playing sidekick to the least experienced candidate.

Not at all. Sen. Obama is clearly the smarter man, clearly the more lucid thinker, and so on. Sen. Biden is a good guy, but he's no Obama. That's for damn sure.

Are things so bad at the Obama camp that you have to resort to name calling?

After the old coot's acceptance speech - did anyone else expect to hear Acadamy Award music while he was thanking everyone - do you really think things are "bad" in the Obama camp?

[Pseudonym]

I'm pedaling backwards!

-R. Wiggum

[dejo]

and I thought this forum was anti-racist. seems many are backing the racist Obama

[Candisa]

American politics is a good joke for us Europeans :p

Here are facts:
When Bill Clinton was the president, most Europeans didn't think much wrong about the USA, so what he fucked Monica...
After 8 years of Bush, war in Irac, most Europeans call the USA 'Bushland', and that's not in a good way. Worldwide economy is falling apart and the dollar-euro rate is the best proof of who's fault that is...

Oh well, what can I do about it, one of the most racist western countries prefers a black candidate better than a white woman (I'm not a racist!)... Apparently Bush was even able to lower the peoples intelligence more toward his level and convince a part of 'his' people that republican is still the way to go...

Go USA, I bet the rest of the world will have a good laugh when McCain wins (pretty sure that will happen)

PS.: I was a fan of Hilary, she was actually planning to get proper health care and other important stuff we have already for decades here in Europe in stead of just shouting 'Amaaaarica' :p

greetz,
Isabelle

[CGG318]

There are only two possible interpretations of that sentence:
1) you are writing about Failin' Palin here; or
2) you haven't the foggiest notion what "due diligence" means.


Guess that one went over your head. The "due diligence" was somewhat tongue in cheek. The libs in the media probably should have looked into Obama's background before anointing him as the next president.


Not at all. Sen. Obama is clearly the smarter man, clearly the more lucid thinker, and so on. Sen. Biden is a good guy, but he's no Obama. That's for damn sure.

Do you know him personally? You must, because he sure doesn't exhibit these qualities in public. At least not without a teleprompter.




After the old coot's acceptance speech - did anyone else expect to hear Acadamy Award music while he was thanking everyone - do you really think things are "bad" in the Obama camp?

Apparently you don't pay attention to polls. Under the circumstances, any Democrat should be way ahead at this point... not dwindling around within the margin of error.

[spydertune]

American politics is a good joke for us Europeans :p

Here are facts:
When Bill Clinton was the president, most Europeans didn't think much wrong about the USA, so what he fucked Monica...
After 8 years of Bush, war in Irac, most Europeans call the USA 'Bushland', and that's not in a good way. Worldwide economy is falling apart and the dollar-euro rate is the best proof of who's fault that is...

Oh well, what can I do about it, one of the most racist western countries prefers a black candidate better than a white woman (I'm not a racist!)... Apparently Bush was even able to lower the peoples intelligence more toward his level and convince a part of 'his' people that republican is still the way to go...

Go USA, I bet the rest of the world will have a good laugh when McCain wins (pretty sure that will happen)

PS.: I was a fan of Hilary, she was actually planning to get proper health care and other important stuff we have already for decades here in Europe in stead of just shouting 'Amaaaarica' :p

greetz,
Isabelle

Well, I'll say this for Belgium, you've got some great beer!

http://www.flyingarmadillosigns.com/images/interior/witkap-pater.gif

Stick to that.

[Babs]

This election depends on who's more connected to the Trilat's, Bildebergers, CFR, Fed reserve, etc.
... I'm betting McCain

The whole new world order thing is happening folks. like it or not...
The constitution is just a piece of paper now with fond memories of it's ideals of liberty.

... sorry, just throwing out my usual soapbox shpeal.. not necessarily looking to get into any arguments over it. :)

[AWC]

American politics is a good joke for us Europeans :p

Here are facts:
When Bill Clinton was the president, most Europeans didn't think much wrong about the USA, so what he fucked Monica...
After 8 years of Bush, war in Irac, most Europeans call the USA 'Bushland', and that's not in a good way. Worldwide economy is falling apart and the dollar-euro rate is the best proof of who's fault that is...

Oh well, what can I do about it, one of the most racist western countries prefers a black candidate better than a white woman (I'm not a racist!)... Apparently Bush was even able to lower the peoples intelligence more toward his level and convince a part of 'his' people that republican is still the way to go...

Go USA, I bet the rest of the world will have a good laugh when McCain wins (pretty sure that will happen)

PS.: I was a fan of Hilary, she was actually planning to get proper health care and other important stuff we have already for decades here in Europe in stead of just shouting 'Amaaaarica' :p

greetz,
Isabelle


not to get to involved in this part of the argument but it occured to me that everyone is talking about the "black" candidate....isn't just as white as he is black....why, then, is he not the white candidate? I'm not positive Obama was picked over Hillary because of gender, it seems to me Hillary kept getting ruffled under pressure while Obama kept his cool. I prefferred Hillary too...does that make me a racist? Or am I just more racist than I am sexist? Obviously, being American, I have to be both so its obvious that my preference is based on my perceived lesser of the two evils, black being way more evil than a white waoman which, is pretty fuckin evil to begin with:rolleyes:

I'm just teasing and being a smart-ass but my point is pretty valid, right? I mean Obama just ran a stronger campaign. I saw it happening and tried to wish it away but still, she kept saying wierd things.

[pontiacbird]

I'm a registered Republican. :cool:

I'd love to hear McCain say, "This one goes out to you, BoostedNihilist! Suck my %$^#$"


Just kidding :)

[emrliquidlife]

American politics is a good joke for us Europeans :p

Here are facts:
When Bill Clinton was the president, most Europeans didn't think much wrong about the USA, so what he fucked Monica...
After 8 years of Bush, war in Irac, most Europeans call the USA 'Bushland', and that's not in a good way. Worldwide economy is falling apart and the dollar-euro rate is the best proof of who's fault that is...

Oh well, what can I do about it, one of the most racist western countries prefers a black candidate better than a white woman (I'm not a racist!)... Apparently Bush was even able to lower the peoples intelligence more toward his level and convince a part of 'his' people that republican is still the way to go...

Go USA, I bet the rest of the world will have a good laugh when McCain wins (pretty sure that will happen)

PS.: I was a fan of Hilary, she was actually planning to get proper health care and other important stuff we have already for decades here in Europe in stead of just shouting 'Amaaaarica' :p

greetz,
Isabelle

All due respect to your input. However, planes did not crash into your government centers, buildings of trade and commerce.

I don't care much what Europeans think of America. World opinion will never dictate a countries course of action.

Has the world forgotten that Saddam Hussein invaded the soverign country of Kuwait? Odd that you complain of a president that repeled an invading force. Lets see, what happened in Belgium in 1914? Hmm, sounds a bit similar. But unfortunately it happened AGAIN in 1940. Who bailed your fathers out in WWII? Yep that would be Americans. Your own Prime Mininster was for removal of Saddam Hussein.

I don't mind that you Europeans have such a short term memory. Honestly, I don't.

Universal healthcare? Want to compare tax rates? You pay for it. Yes you do.

E

[JeremyC]

wars in countries, which have nothing to do with the defined conflict of terrorism, are an acceptable alternative?

Ok moron I was going to keep quiet, but I have heard enough.

So who do you think is attacking us in iraq?

Here is a clue, they are not from iraq. 99% of the people causing trouble in iraq are from other countries. So who are we killing, the same morons that would love to come to americia and kill you. The whole point behind terrorism is to scare people just like you. The fact is we didn't start this war, and it started long before bush was in office. They attacked us, 3 times, and all clinton did was fire off a couple of cruise missiles. Lot of good that did us.

Here is another clue, the media sucks. Thanks to scumbags like you, the media only talks about the bad things. Why would you care about the hundreds of schools we have built? What about the towns that have running water and electricity for the first time in 20 years.

Oh and 75% of the military is republicans. So your big fuck you was directed at me. I'm a republician, and I have been to iraq twice.

You know what, I bet thousands of the guys that died in WWII "fighting for your freedom" were republicans to. So I guess its fuck them too huh?

How about this. Move to any of the 3rd world countries I have been to and live for 1 year. Hell make it 6 months. 50 bucks says you would never speak poorly of our country after you actually experienced something other than living in your moms basement.

[AWC]

not to argue the wrong side but did you know that Clinton sent more artillary downrange after the attacks of the USS Cole then was deployed during the shock and awe portion of the war? The fact is it was deemed, by the media, to ba a diversionary tactic from the monica lewinsky issue.

[Candisa]

Your own Prime Mininster "was for removal of Saddam Hussein."Corrected :)

The real opinion of the prime minister of a small country can only be said when it's the same as the one of the NATO, you know, that stupid organisation that has no right of existance anymore and doesn't do what it should do anymore...

greetz,
Isabelle

[emrliquidlife]

Corrected :)

The real opinion of the prime minister of a small country can only be said when it's the same as the one of the NATO, you know, that stupid organisation that has no right of existance anymore and doesn't do what it should do anymore...

greetz,
Isabelle

Thanks for the civil input. I truly appreciate it.

I honestly am not too informed about whether your own Prime Minster truly felt that Saddam should have been removed, or if he was forced into that position. At least I think that is what you are saying.

Notice something. After the Germans were forced out of Belgium the second time, the instigator of that crime and his regime was removed. Saddam was not. That was our biggest mistake. If short term memory Europeans want to be upset about something, it should have been that fact.

I make no mistake about it. We went to Iraq for oil. To stabilize the world economy, because no one else had the guts to do it.

So, again, to end short term thinking lets not forget why Iraq started and what we have accomplished there.

For the record, I'm not a huge fan of NATO either.

E

[AWC]

Thanks for the civil input. I truly appreciate it.

I honestly am not too informed about whether your own Prime Minster truly felt that Saddam should have been removed, or if he was forced into that position. At least I think that is what you are saying.

Notice something. After the Germans were forced out of Belgium the second time, the instigator of that crime and his regime was removed. Saddam was not. That was our biggest mistake. If short term memory Europeans want to be upset about something, it should have been that fact.

I make no mistake about it. We went to Iraq for oil. To stabilize the world economy, because no one else had the guts to do it.

So, again, to end short term thinking lets not forget why Iraq started and what we have accomplished there.

For the record, I'm not a huge fan of NATO either.

E


ok, then... Why did Iraq start again? Didn't have to do with Eurapean War Generals carving a corner off of the country called "Iraq" then rebadging it "Kuwait. Then, Iraq, decided to take Kuwait back....which nobody likes. Then the oh so justified Gulf War happened but we fell short and then...probably?...someone who nobody except everybody agrees that Sadam went gassing those who supported us...making us feel real guilty.

Fast forward until haliburton and big oil take office, and here we are....

[emrliquidlife]

ok, then... Why did Iraq start again? Didn't have to do with Eurapean War Generals carving a corner off of the country called "Iraq" then rebadging it "Kuwait. Then, Iraq, decided to take Kuwait back....which nobody likes. Then the oh so justified Gulf War happened but we fell short and then...probably?...someone who nobody except everybody agrees that Sadam went gassing those who supported us...making us feel real guilty.

Fast forward until haliburton and big oil take office, and here we are....

I think that Saddam never had any intention of maintaining Kuwait. He knew he was going to get pushed back. It was a way of gaining money, notierity (sp?).

We should have finished the job the first time.

E

[Candisa]

Exactly, America made the same mistake Belgium did in 1914 but then 3/4 century later, now who's to blame? Belgium, or the USA that didn't learn a lesson out of WW1&2? :p

greetz,
Isabelle

[BoostedNihilist]

Let's be clear. We all know, roughly, who you are (give or take a couple cells). Evolution is slow. Keep at it. No he joined willingly, knowing the risks. It is a matter of honor. Yes, I feel that America is lacking that quality, these days. I, however, joined as did he. Many others on this board and in your neighborhood. Soon, again, the culture of America will change because of the vastness of damage done to the collective psyche of the few that did stand for what they thought was right. It will trickle down. Unfortunately it will never do the same damage as the level of disrespect that the current youth is starting to portray. There will never be a good reason to display such a lack of patriotism. To stand and wave a sign, clench your fist and scream at a congressman, that's patriotic. To spew vile filth out of the dank corners of what could have been a brain..well, that's a shame.

Well, that is what you think and I can respect that.

However, I was personally attacked by zach, called a 'waste of flesh' for making a political statement which he misinterpreted... IMO I was just playing the game by the rules he established plain and simple.

Physical imossibility unless you want to cripple our economy. Like AWC said "cost".. It would cost too much.

Like 10 billion a month?

I get it, it is okay to spend money, but only if you are killing people.. finally this all makes sense to me.

So who do you think is attacking us in iraq?

Here is a clue, they are not from iraq. 99% of the people causing trouble in iraq are from other countries. So who are we killing, the same morons that would love to come to americia and kill you. The whole point behind terrorism is to scare people just like you. The fact is we didn't start this war, and it started long before bush was in office. They attacked us, 3 times, and all clinton did was fire off a couple of cruise missiles. Lot of good that did us.

Hmm, let me see if I understand what you are saying...

You invade iraq to fight a war with people from other countries?

Why don't you just invade the right countries where '99%' (however you came up with that statistic) of your enemies come from?

The fact is, it takes two to fight. Do you even know what standard oil did on your behalf in the gulf? Probably not. Do you know what standard oil did to the french? You wonder why they hate you? You wonder why the world hates you, it's because you are fighting 99% of the right enemy in 99% the wrong place... seriously, think about it... How many of the 911 highjackers were iraqi? A single one even? Face it, the argument that attacking iraq makes you safer is sufficiently discredited to make it laughable as a political position... especially backed by your logic.

Oh and 75% of the military is republicans. So your big fuck you was directed at me. I'm a republician, and I have been to iraq twice.

Well, if the military is really towing the republican party line as you indicate then yes, my fuck you was directed towards the military... and in that case your 'sacrafice' doesn't seem so much a 'sacrafice' as 'martyrdom' (who else do we know that uses martyrs to achieve political/economic power??)... and since I don't believe in the republican cause (by proxy your cause due to your political affiliation) then I don't believe serving is honorable, and I don't believe that people who support and take part in that kind of hegemony are deserving of the honor that the world war 2 vets (read real heroes) deserve.

[BoostedNihilist]

I don't care much what Europeans think of America. World opinion will never dictate a countries course of action.

I find it funny how america wants to reap the benefits of a global economy yet do not want to be impacted by other countries political agendas... seems selfish and arrogant to me...

[DS-21]

I'm not positive Obama was picked over Hillary because of gender, it seems to me Hillary kept getting ruffled under pressure while Obama kept his cool. I prefferred Hillary too...does that make me a racist?

No. I think many Democrats, like me, preferred Obama because HRC failed us on health care, and she failed us on Iraq. We don't trust her judgment, whereas the conlaw prof from the University of Chicago has never demonstrated anything but the soundest of judgment on the big issues of our time.

All due respect to your input. However, planes did not crash into your government centers, buildings of trade and commerce.

I think it's funny that the same people who would just as soon the pinko Blue coasts split off anyway keep coming back to 9/11. It's over. Grow up and get the fuck over it.

Has the world forgotten that Saddam Hussein invaded the soverign country of Kuwait?

After the Bush pere Administration's Baghdad ambassador, I believe her name was April Gillespie, gave him the green light to do so. H.W. sucker-punched Saddam, and good.

And obviously, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on 2d August 1990 has absolutely nothing to do with American aggression against the people of Iraq in 2003!

The actual historical context of Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait is probably beyond your pay grade, but nonetheless worth discussion. Iraq had two aims, one acceptable and one less so. The acceptable one was to punish Kuwait for slant drilling, which is basically stealing the oil under a neighboring country's property. The beyond-the-pale one was that Iraq owed Kuwait a great deal of debt stemming from the 8 year war Iraq waged against Iran, and wished that debt repudiated.

Universal healthcare? Want to compare tax rates? You pay for it. Yes you do.

Actually we pay for it. Europe has higher economic mobility than America does now, despite the bullshit "land of opportunity" propaganda, in large part because Europeans have realized that civilized countries build civilized safety nets.


Here is another clue, the media sucks. Thanks to scumbags like you, the media only talks about the bad things. Why would you care about the hundreds of schools we have built? What about the towns that have running water and electricity for the first time in 20 years.

Excellent propaganda technique, sir. Only problem is, some of us actually know why Iraq's infrastructure was so decrepit.

Yeah, we should get so much credit for rebuilding the infrastructure of towns that we blew up in 1990, or that were blown up by materiel supplied to Iran by the Reagan administration illicitly during the Iran-Iraq war, and prevented them from getting the supplies to rebuild because of the punitive sanctions we had imposed on the people of Iraq.

Oh and 75% of the military is republicans. So your big fuck you was directed at me. I'm a republician, and I have been to iraq twice.

Some people brainwash easily. Besides that, your point?

How about this. Move to any of the 3rd world countries I have been to and live for 1 year. Hell make it 6 months. 50 bucks says you would never speak poorly of our country after you actually experienced something other than living in your moms basement.

I promise I have lived in more developing world countries than you have. But that's not the point. It's silly to compare a rich country to a poor country. America, compared to other rich countries right now, is on a steep decline. Hopefully President Obama will arrest the tide a bit.

[BoostedNihilist]

How about this. Move to any of the 3rd world countries I have been to and live for 1 year. Hell make it 6 months. 50 bucks says you would never speak poorly of our country after you actually experienced something other than living in your moms basement.

did you read the thread? Perhaps you missed the part where I indicated I had been to the middle east and a plethora of developing nations...

Which 3rd world countries have you been to? (Btw; theyre called developing nations dick) I think we've probably been to a few of the same

I counted in my passport, of the 57 stamps 23 were developing nations so I think my sample pool is large enough to know how shit actually works out there in the real world. You know what I have to say about people who live in third world countries? I think if an american had to work that hard they would fail the survival of the fittest test. I have the utmost respect for people who survive with nothing in a mud hut. I have been there, done that my friend. That is why I talk shit about america. It's because americans (read republicans) just don't understand what the majority of the 'real' world are subjected to on a day to day basis. Being that you have actually travelled puts you in the extreme minority, and though you I can appreciate your experience I doubt you walked away with much from your journey...

[BoostedNihilist]

I make no mistake about it. We went to Iraq for oil. To stabilize the world economy, because no one else had the guts to do it.

So, again, to end short term thinking lets not forget why Iraq started and what we have accomplished there.

Huh?

Stabilize the world economy? I think that is beyond the scope of even the american military.. in fact, these statements are contradictory. If you go 'there' to stabilize the 'world' then why aren't we looking at the impact of the war in iraq on the world?

I don't think it is so much a 'not had the guts to do it' issue. France has been buying oil from the middle east peacefully since before the tap in texas ran dry! Lets not forget, america, in recent history has proven to not do anything that isn't purely in its own interests. Hello rwanda, hello darfur, hello somolia... Lets face it. If there isn't a direct positive impact on america, america won't do shit.

[Porsche]

^Looks like you should leave since the USA sucks so much

Christian

[emrliquidlife]

Exactly, America made the same mistake Belgium did in 1914 but then 3/4 century later, now who's to blame? Belgium, or the USA that didn't learn a lesson out of WW1&2? :p

greetz,
Isabelle

I'm happy you speak English and write it, but I have not a clue what you are saying.

My point was, Belgium was invaded not once but twice. In WWII Americans bailed Belgiums out.

Please clarify.

E

[emrliquidlife]

No. I think many Democrats, like me, preferred Obama because HRC failed us on health care, and she failed us on Iraq. We don't trust her judgment, whereas the conlaw prof from the University of Chicago has never demonstrated anything but the soundest of judgment on the big issues of our time.



I think it's funny that the same people who would just as soon the pinko Blue coasts split off anyway keep coming back to 9/11. It's over. Grow up and get the fuck over it.



After the Bush pere Administration's Baghdad ambassador, I believe her name was April Gillespie, gave him the green light to do so. H.W. sucker-punched Saddam, and good.

And obviously, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on 2d August 1990 has absolutely nothing to do with American aggression against the people of Iraq in 2003!

The actual historical context of Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait is probably beyond your pay grade, but nonetheless worth discussion. Iraq had two aims, one acceptable and one less so. The acceptable one was to punish Kuwait for slant drilling, which is basically stealing the oil under a neighboring country's property. The beyond-the-pale one was that Iraq owed Kuwait a great deal of debt stemming from the 8 year war Iraq waged against Iran, and wished that debt repudiated.



Actually we pay for it. Europe has higher economic mobility than America does now, despite the bullshit "land of opportunity" propaganda, in large part because Europeans have realized that civilized countries build civilized safety nets.



Excellent propaganda technique, sir. Only problem is, some of us actually know why Iraq's infrastructure was so decrepit.

Yeah, we should get so much credit for rebuilding the infrastructure of towns that we blew up in 1990, or that were blown up by materiel supplied to Iran by the Reagan administration illicitly during the Iran-Iraq war, and prevented them from getting the supplies to rebuild because of the punitive sanctions we had imposed on the people of Iraq.



Some people brainwash easily. Besides that, your point?



I promise I have lived in more developing world countries than you have. But that's not the point. It's silly to compare a rich country to a poor country. America, compared to other rich countries right now, is on a steep decline. Hopefully President Obama will arrest the tide a bit.


Some how in your lazy, "Get the fuck over it malaize" you are attributing a number of comments to me that I did not make.

As for getting over 9/11, you better hope that we don't forget.

The civilized safety net....What safety net without America. Simplistic answers.

Naive.

Ed

[Candisa]

I'm happy you speak English and write it, but I have not a clue what you are saying.

My point was, Belgium was invaded not once but twice. In WWII Americans bailed Belgiums out.

Please clarify.

EThe USA invaded Iraq before and didn't finish it the first time, just like Belgium didn't finish it in WW1. Now the USA is in Iraq again to finish the job with the help of almost the whole world (NATO remember, made to get help when a member of the NATO is invaded, but nowadays it's a unity that helps other members when they are invading!), just like Belgium finished the job in WW2 with the help of other countries.

Conclusion: Belgium made a mistake by not finishing it in WW1 and then needed help in WW2 to finish the job. USA made the exact same mistake by not finishing it the first time in Iraq and now needs help from all NATO members to finish it this time...
I guess the USA didn't learn much out of the world wars, knowing they were into it in the second one...

PS.: It's funny to hear people of the USA talk about 'America' like it's their country, it's not, the USA is their country, America is a continent with different country's like the USA, Canada, Brazil, Cuba.......

greetz,
Isabelle

[gentlejax2]

wow...

if you guys are so smart then why arent you in office straightening this shit out? ...instead of on here...a car audio forum?

and I dont mean that as an insult in any way.........and thats not directed at any certain person or side..

[DS-21]

As for getting over 9/11, you better hope that we don't forget.

The terrorists of 9/11 murdered one of my cousins, who was an analyst for Morgan Stanley and perished in the collapse of the towers. (He was also, for the record, a Muslim.) So "forgetting" isn't the issue, buddy. Rather, it's the sickening use of his death and that of ~2700 other people to justify policies that make us less safe and steal our freedoms. The fact that mouth-breathers like you haven't gotten over it means that the terrorists have won. They employed a tactic that was effective in modifying the behavior of America's idiot classes.

The civilized safety net....What safety net without America. Simplistic answers.

Universal health care, for starters. Guess how many people in the civilized countries of Europe have to file bankruptcy because of medical bills? Hint: it is not a nonzero number.

Some things do have answers that are pretty fucking simple conceptually, if not in implementation.

if you guys are so smart then why arent you in office straightening this shit out? ...instead of on here...a car audio forum?

and I dont mean that as an insult in any way.........and thats not directed at any certain person or side..

What makes you think that some of us aren't putting our minds and our resources towards solving some of these problems?

[emrliquidlife]

wow...

if you guys are so smart then why arent you in office straightening this shit out? ...instead of on here...a car audio forum?

and I dont mean that as an insult in any way.........and thats not directed at any certain person or side..

No, I don't think I'm that smart. I watched the thread to hopefully learn an alternative point of view. Boosted was unable to provide any meaningful input. Just sillyness.

Learning can happen in a car audio forum, in a coffee shop anywhere.

E

[emrliquidlife]

The terrorists of 9/11 murdered one of my cousins, who was an analyst for Morgan Stanley and perished in the collapse of the towers. (He was also, for the record, a Muslim.) So "forgetting" isn't the issue, buddy. Rather, it's the sickening use of his death and that of ~2700 other people to justify policies that make us less safe and steal our freedoms. The fact that mouth-breathers like you haven't gotten over it means that the terrorists have won.



Universal health care, for starters. Guess how many people in the civilized countries of Europe have to file bankruptcy because of medical bills? Hint: it is not a nonzero number.

Some things do have answers that are pretty fucking simple conceptually, if not in implementation.



What makes you think that some of us aren't putting our minds and our resources towards solving some of these problems?


First off, I don't know you, have not disrespected you and in accord, I'd appreciate it if you kept a civilty. Being called a mouth breather? Not sure what you are saying, but you described the human population. At least by design. You don't breath by the mouth? This is unecessary.

I don't want to assume what you are saying. So, what policies do you speak of? I don't think my freedoms have been stolen, only that we now live in a heightened state of security to insure that a lax attitude towards security never happens again. If it keeps, "2,700" Americans alive I'm all for it.

Ohh and to the Belgium poster, labeling myself an American is quite proper. You misinterpreting it shows your lack of cultural knowledge.

As for numbers of Belgium soldiers that have participated in both Iraq and the liberation of Belgium, don't get me started. Belgium has issues getting out of it's own way.

But then you won't read me assuming some knowledge of Belgium culture.


As for universal healthcare, don't toss out a silly zinger with an emptiness. Educate me. thats why I'm participating in this thread.

[emrliquidlife]

The terrorists of 9/11 murdered one of my cousins, who was an analyst for Morgan Stanley and perished in the collapse of the towers. (He was also, for the record, a Muslim.) So "forgetting" isn't the issue, buddy. Rather, it's the sickening use of his death and that of ~2700 other people to justify policies that make us less safe and steal our freedoms. The fact that mouth-breathers like you haven't gotten over it means that the terrorists have won. They employed a tactic that was effective in modifying the behavior of America's idiot classes.



Personally speaking, I am very sorry for the loss of your cousin. I hope the best for the family that he left behind.

E

[Candisa]

Belgium shouldn't send *any* soldiers to Iraq. The difference is, NATO was made for *defending*, America helped us in WW2 to *defend* us against Germany, now Belgium is helping to *attack* Iraq.

Don't forget Belgium is a small country that you should compare to a small state, if you want to compare the USA to something, compare it to the European Union ;)

Fact is: the USA uses and abuses it's power and with a republican president, they abuse it a lot more than with a democrat at the top.
What most americans don't know is that most europeans see the USA becoming a 3rd world country in stead of a world power, Europe is still growing bigger and stronger, wich cannot be said of the USA...

greetz,
Isabelle

[BoostedNihilist]

Lets consider this, you're a false identity here just to start trouble, right? Fine, I think its gay, but whatever, its how you get your kicks.

Again, the king of arrogant assumptions makes an appearance. I find it interesting however, that of all the members on this board you are one who consistently takes an issue with everything I say. Taken within the context of your assumption you would be every bit as guilty of what you accuse me of. In other words... you cause just as much trouble as I do.. I kettle, you pot, we both black.

You'll even disregard the respect to your country that deep inside you know full well is wrong, but hey, it gets a rise out of some guys who can never hold me accountable,anyway, right?

Actually, I truely disagree with their position. For me to say so is not disrespectful but in fact responsible. Did you miss civics?

So whatever, fine. I tink its kind of weak but you gotta do what you gotta do to get your kicks. I'll go along, I had you pegged from the get-go, remember?

If by pegged you mean to assume arrogantly then I guess I remember... I have not said one thing on this board I do not agree with, or one thing which goes against my principles. Simply because you disagree with my positions and insult me personally does not mean you have a monopoly on valid opinion.

Anyway, I offer the fact taht this may be one topic that can actually be damaging. He very well could have lost some or 5 buddies and I even said "nightmares" and what? Still no concern?

Concern... yes, for the bill I will have to pay for this kind of stupidity. This will not all go away and we will all be paying for these 'nightmares' for years to come.. that is my personal nightmare and nobody asked me my opinion. They just acted on my behalf as if I agreed with it.. this is called hegemony... look it up in the dictionary.

You can't just digress there and agree that some things should be respected and dropped? You had to openly state that it was more than 1 contract so he knowingly enlisted again? (It is called indefinite after 10 years and they pretty much own you, I'll bet he would have considered another 4 years if not for that)

Again, if you do not want to go to war, do not join the military. I am so sick and tired of having my patriotism questioned because I question the actions of our government (read deployment of the military) it's fucking gross and every bit as ignorant as not respecting the troops. It is a typical tactic employed by those who who have no logical foundation to their argument... it is called an ad hominem attack and it's bull-shit.

Closing:

You have nothing pegged. All you have is a wall of assumptions, many flawed. Come out from behind there and debate the facts like a man. You are exactly what you claim I am... some introspection is in order..

and, for the record, I did not attack anyone personally until I had been attacked.. go back, read the thread, it's all there. So if by defending myself I am a 'troublemaker' then I guess I am... and proud to be so!

[matt62485]

....

[spydertune]

What most americans don't know is that most europeans see the USA becoming a 3rd world country in stead of a world power, Europe is still growing bigger and stronger, which cannot be said of the USA...

EU Economy (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7772123)

EU Economy (http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=104935)

EU Economy (http://ec.europa.eu/news/economy/080221_1_en.htm)

It really doesn't read like things are all that great over there.

[Rudeboy]

BoostedNihilist's opening post may have been over the top, but I share his frustration and assume his reaction was fueled by watching all of speeches from the Republican convention and McCain and Palin's speeches since. I've been paying attention to presidential elections since 1968, when I was 12 years old, and have never seen anything approaching the calculated dishonesty on display now.

Start with the tools pumping their "Drill Now" signs and McCain saying "We will drill now and find a new supply of oil - suggesting that the only thing driving oil prices higher is the squeamishness of America hating tree huggers. If he doesn't know this is 1) false, and 2) a recipe for future disaster, a McCain administration will be worse for the future of this country than any of us have imagined. Thomas Freeman drew an apt analogy on Meet the Press on Sunday: Chanting "Drill Now" today is the same thing as chanting "IBM Selectric" would have been during the early days of the PC.

Move on to the logical fallacy (touched on in this thread) that support for those in the military is not possible without support for their mission. We should all stipulate that military service is entered for honorable reasons. Tying the troops and the mission together requires that we accept any mission they might be given without question - a requirement that is obviously anti-democratic on its face. No matter what motives may be behind a president's decision to deploy troops, we have to accept is as legitimate. Absolute nonsense.

The jingoistic, xenophobic themes being raised in this thread are reminiscent of the chants of "USA, USA" whenever any controversia