Alpine XT19 derivative on PacParts

[ptt]

Surprised I hadn't seen this here yet (maybe I missed it in my search), but the Alpine version of the XT19 ring radiator from the SPX-107R/137R/177R is now listed as "in stock" on pacparts and other Alpine parts sites:

link (http://www.pacparts.com/model.cfm?CFID=767269&CFTOKEN=85991391&mfg=ALPINE&model_id=SPX177R&row_start=1&src_model_id=spx&action=list_part)

I bought a used set of these from someone here last year and love them, but don't have any of the mounting hardware (flush mount cups, clips, etc.). Anyone want to try a set of these and tell me if they come with the accessories? My guess was not, given what they list for previous components. Anyway, seems like a great tweeter for $28/pr.

Peter

[zfactor]

wow for the price of the tweeters and mids you could but a full set and get everything including hardware and crossovers.. im still thinking about giving the full set a try but ive not heard anything good about the mids.. a lot of people like the tweets.. now are these the newer style larger ones that come with the grey coned type x or the older ones that came with the blue coned ones?? the new ones according to alpine web site and others are supposed to be larger than the old ones..??

[zfactor]

wish they still had the speakers from the f#1 set but it says disco'ed for all of them.. sucks

[npdang]

WOW! That is an amazing price on the xt19 neos one of my all time favorites... will definitely have to pick one up. Thanks for the link.

[zfactor]

any other info on the xt19 how low can it play?? etc... in thinking of giving this one a try.. thanks

[kappa546]

thats funny... i was on pacparts like 5 days ago looking for the exact same tweets but they were out of stock. looks like i'll be picking some up. thats where i picked up a pair of the alpine 60001's for like 130 shipped until the gay dealers bitched and forced PP to take them off.

[BodegaBay]

General
Speaker size: 1" (28mm)
Speaker Type: Tweeter
Power Handling (RMS): 25 W
Frequency Response (-10dB): 600-60kHz
Sensitivity (@2.83V/1m): 86dB

Physical
Frame Material/Type: Aluminum/ABS
Bobbin Material:Aluminum
Voice Coil Winding: CCAW
Voice Coil Diameter: 19 mm
Diaphragm Material: KFR Textile
Diaphragm Design: Ring Radiator
Effective Diaphragm Diameter: 28 mm
Motor Structure: Perimeter Vented w/Faraday Ring
Magnetic Material: Neodymium
Driver Weight: 40g
Depth: 0.6" (14mm)
Cut-out diameter: 1.4" (35mm)

Electro-Mechanical Parameters
Nominal Impedance: 4 ohm
DC Coil Resistance (Re): 2.80 ohm
Inductance (Le): 0.1 mH
Free Air Resonance (Fs): 950 Hz
Equivalent Stiffness (Vas): 0.004 L
Mechanical Q (Qms): 2.80
Electrical Q (Qes): 1.3
Total Q (Qts): 0.88
Cone Area (Sd): 4.55 cm2
Compliance (Cms): 0.14 mm/N
Moving Mass (Mms): 0.2 g
Force Factor (Bl): 1.6 Tm
Coil Height (Hvc): 1.8 mm
Gap Height (Hag): 2 mm
Linear Excursion [(Hvc-Hag)/2)], (Xmax): 0.1 mm
Magnetic Linear Excursion, (Xmag): 1.1mm
Mechanical Excursion (p-p): 2 mm

[drocpsu]

General
Speaker size: 1" (28mm)
Speaker Type: Tweeter
Power Handling (RMS): 25 W
Frequency Response (-10dB): 600-60kHz
Sensitivity (@2.83V/1m): 86dB

Physical
Frame Material/Type: Aluminum/ABS
Bobbin Material:Aluminum
Voice Coil Winding: CCAW
Voice Coil Diameter: 19 mm
Diaphragm Material: KFR Textile
Diaphragm Design: Ring Radiator
Effective Diaphragm Diameter: 28 mm
Motor Structure: Perimeter Vented w/Faraday Ring
Magnetic Material: Neodymium
Driver Weight: 40g
Depth: 0.6" (14mm)
Cut-out diameter: 1.4" (35mm)

Electro-Mechanical Parameters
Nominal Impedance: 4 ohm
DC Coil Resistance (Re): 2.80 ohm
Inductance (Le): 0.1 mH
Free Air Resonance (Fs): 950 Hz
Equivalent Stiffness (Vas): 0.004 L
Mechanical Q (Qms): 2.80
Electrical Q (Qes): 1.3
Total Q (Qts): 0.88
Cone Area (Sd): 4.55 cm2
Compliance (Cms): 0.14 mm/N
Moving Mass (Mms): 0.2 g
Force Factor (Bl): 1.6 Tm
Coil Height (Hvc): 1.8 mm
Gap Height (Hag): 2 mm
Linear Excursion [(Hvc-Hag)/2)], (Xmax): 0.1 mm
Magnetic Linear Excursion, (Xmag): 1.1mm
Mechanical Excursion (p-p): 2 mm

So for the layperson, what could these actually be played down to in real life? :D

Anyone have any idea how these tweeters compare to DLS UR1s? (The ultimate series tweeters, not the iridium series)

[Thoraudio]

isn't 2 x Fs usually the standard.

[solacedagony]

I dunno if these are anything like the XT25s, but according to Zaph, you shouldn't cross the XT25s below 2.5Khz @ 24db/oct or 3Khz @ 12db/oct.
I just ordered a pair myself to check out.

[DS-21]

isn't 2 x Fs usually the standard.

Only for ease of crossing over, because then you can (in general, and if you're not too picky) ignore the tweeter/box ("chamber") low-end rolloff in designing your crossover. A more sophisticated approach is to design crossovers based on the SPL limits of each driver and measured FR.

Would I use a .75" tweeter (with smaller Sd than a regular dome) and essentially no stroke below 4kHz or so? Not likely. At least, not unless it were waveguide-loaded.

[Thoraudio]

Only for ease of crossing over, because then you can (in general, and if you're not too picky) ignore the tweeter/box ("chamber") low-end rolloff in designing your crossover. A more sophisticated approach is to design crossovers based on the SPL limits of each driver and measured FR.

Would I use a .75" tweeter (with smaller Sd than a regular dome) and essentially no stroke below 4kHz or so? Not likely. At least, not unless it were waveguide-loaded.

agreed, I wasn't saying 2x Fs was the best/only/optimal, just that 2x Fs is generally the 'minimum'

[CBRworm]

I believe that in general the 2x fs rule is pretty close, but from what I understand these particular speakers have some nasty resonances at about 1/2 fs that require that essentially no signal get to them much below fs. My personal experience with the alpine xt19 was that 3.6k worked pretty well. When I had it matched with my IR3 mids, the higher I crossed it the better. I could not cross it low enough to mate well with my door mounted 6.5's

It's a nice overall package. It has better high frequency extension than the DLS IR1 that I use, good size, good price. It needs to be aimed pretty carefully compared to a regular dome. Every once and a while I consider replacing my IR1's with them, primarily so my car won't look rigged with those big DLS tweets sticking out of the sail panels.

[dBassHz]

WOW! That is an amazing price on the xt19 neos one of my all time favorites... will definitely have to pick one up. Thanks for the link.

Seriously! I love mine and I am definitely picking up another set. Thanks a million for the link!

[chad]

Boy, that's tempting! I may order after lunch if I can't talk myself out of it!

Cheap tweets, WOO-Hoo!

Chad

[chad]

It needs to be aimed pretty carefully compared to a regular dome. Every once and a while I consider replacing my IR1's with them, primarily so my car won't look rigged with those big DLS tweets sticking out of the sail panels.

So do they suck off axis?

Chad

[CBRworm]

They are pretty directional, but not as bad off axis as the XT25.

I'm a big fan of the XT19 and XT25 - but to me they both have to be pointed at your head. If they are installed right they sound awesome, what I have found is that if they are not both aimed correctly one will sound louder than the other. In my install I have both tweeters pointed at the drivers head.

In my mind I see these tweeters as spotlights, and other small domes as floodlights.

[chad]

Thanks for the info! I certainly need more of a wider dispersion in my situation.

Chad

[npdang]

This is really a very, very nice tweeter. I was paying $150 a pr. for them and quite happy. Imho one of the best compact domes I've heard, although they are really not as robust as I'd like.

[FoxPro5]

Nice find! Everytime I think I'm out they suck me back in. :(

And I agree on the Type X mid comment, they always sucked ass to me.

[ocuriel]

I really don't need them. Why is my credit card out? Price is too good to pass up.

[Beau]

I don't need them either; meaning I'll only get one pair.

[kappa546]

lol... u guys KNOW i ordered a pair last night too!

[kappa546]

thats funny... i was on pacparts like 5 days ago looking for the exact same tweets but they were out of stock. looks like i'll be picking some up. thats where i picked up a pair of the alpine 60001's for like 130 shipped until the gay dealers bitched and forced PP to take them off.

if we want to keep a good deal alive, i'd probably suggest no one goes out to every forum posting something about the tweets being cheap there. thats exactly what happened with the scans and they were discontinued there due to it.

[cotdt]

So are these really the XT19's? Hard to beleive given the price. And what are the AT18WG06-04? Some kind of 7" woofer?

[CBRworm]

It's a 6.5 inch wood pulp midbass (I think). either a vifa or a vifa clone. Similar cone to the vifa xt18 or xh18 but 4 ohm. They seem to be decent for midrange, lacking in bass IMO.

[cotdt]

It's a 6.5 inch wood pulp midbass (I think). either a vifa or a vifa clone. Similar cone to the vifa xt18 or xh18 but 4 ohm. They seem to be decent for midrange, lacking in bass IMO.

Ah I see. Must be the XT18 then, which I've used and was good. But the deal for the woofer is not so hot.

[cotdt]

Alright, I'm going to drive over there right now and buy several pairs of them.

[zfactor]

man your gonna buy them out lol.. leave some for everyone else please...

[bdubs767]

just ordered a pair :D dont need but for $38 for killer compacts how can I not.

[montyburns]

$37.57 shipped total... $38.89 left on credit card.. sure why not.

[npdang]

You'll see someone buying them out and selling them on ebay at these prices lol :D

I think the top end dispersion is excellent on the xt19, as well as the low end extension. Certainly as good up top as the morel mt-22/23's I used to own, if not a bit smoother. The low end is great as well, but should still be crossed somewhat high at 3khz or so as these aren't very robust.

[zfactor]

has anyone determined yet whether these come with any hardware or not?? or even the cup they sit in?? thanks

[vwtoby]

just ordered a set, sold out as they were flooded with orders this morning :D...

she said that they will be ordering more from alpine next week, so my order will go out in 10 days or so..

and no, no adittional mounting hardware inlcuded

[ATB]

how would these integrate with the woofers from the pioneer premier set? Does the pioneer woofer play high enough to match with these? If so, sounds like they could make an excellent budget comp set.

(I have already ordered a set just in case. Still regret not getting a set of the alpine/scan tweets when they were avaliable)

[fej]

I grabbed a set to for messing around with, may end up in my daily driver budget ride when I get that system started heh.

[kappa546]

that kinda sucks since it doesnt show you can pruchase any mounting hardware. wonder if the swivel surface mount thing is already attached.

[azngotskills]

damn...im about to pick up a pair just to jump on the bandwagon :blush:

[zfactor]

does pac charge your card when you place the order if they are not in stock?? or do they wait till they get more in? since they dont come with any hardware im not sure if they will work for me.. wonder in my case how i would mount them... hmmmmm

[ArcL100]

Hm, "NOT IN STOCK"

So just keep checking the website to see if they get more in stock then?

-aaron

[OldOneEye]

http://www.alpine-europe.com/alpine/unger/look/type_x_speaker_technology_en.gif

[zfactor]

im checking another alpine parts source i have now to see if they have any. they are the same price from them if the book is right..

[zfactor]

wow pac sold over 30+ sets of these today not including the backorders, my other source only had 1 tweeter in stock, damn. just backordered a set myself..

[azngotskills]

im on the list with you too buddy :)

[kappa546]

thanks juan! super cool illustration

does anybody know if the diameter of the 177a tweet is the same as this one? if so, we can get the mounting hardware from that set. PP doesnt have them in stock but this place does
http://www.partstore.com/ModelDetail.aspx?ModelCatCode=072.045&ModelID=435486

[zfactor]

no they dont have them in stock.. they are another of one of our vendors.. just spoke to them.. sorry man call em up if you like but they dont have any

[vwtoby]

she said they only charge once they have them instock prior to shipping out to you

[azngotskills]

she said they would get them at the end of next week due to the vendor moving or something like that

[zfactor]

yes that is correct about pac parts.. i was speaking above of the parts store. they only had a single tweeter when i spoke to them and they have no eta at all when they will get more

[cotdt]

that lady was like "oh my god! a hundred people all of a sudden wanted these today!" it was funny the way she said it. my pair should be shipped to me sometime next week.

[toolfan91]

Hmmmm... wonder how these would fair against my 27AFNC/Gs crossed over around 5-7khz... Any input?

[dBassHz]

Hmmmm... wonder how these would fair against my 27AFNC/Gs crossed over around 5-7khz... Any input?

They do not have the bold umph! of the Seas and I think the off-axis response is not as good. BUT, I love the sound of the XT19 for some reason. They sound silky sweet, more detailed then the fabric neo tweets that I have heard, and not one bit of harshness (mine are hi-passed at 5,000Hz @ 6dB). I did like the Seas 27s Alums but they had a slight edginess to them (either that or reflections from my install).

I am not sure what hardware they come with but the ones I have right now have a swivel mount so the off-axis issue is not too much of a problem and they are the most compact tweeters that I have owned.

[ArcL100]

Hm, so ya, are they getting more or what, lol?

-aaron

[npdang]

Top end dispersion is significantly better than the Seas, but you are right they don't have the raw output capability although they do have better low end sensitivity; flat to ~700hz IIRC.

[dBassHz]

Top end dispersion is significantly better than the Seas, but you are right they don't have the raw output capability although they do have better low end sensitivity; flat to ~700hz IIRC.

Yeah, I can definitely sense the better top end dispersion. I think most of my problems are install related as I have yet to get a dash mat and mount the tweeter to a baffle :blush: . I have the XT19s aimed slightly off-axis/center/crossed with front driver/passenger heads. With the Seas I used the opposite window reflection trick. They were just too fatiguing to listen to on-axis.

[npdang]

Not saying this is your install, but I do find alot of times people have the tweeter level way too high to compensate for a lack of top end dispersion which does make the tweeter sound quite harsh and peaky. The worst is when mounting the tweeter behind a stock panel, where often times there's huge peaks/dips in the response.

For examply my lpg's had absolutely no top end in the stock dash locations, and I found there were huge peaks around 3-5khz that probably made it sound far worse than it normally does. Or when I used to run Scan d2904/6000-1's I would boost the treble so high to get more air and I'd have to compensate by crossing the driver over very high in order to keep it from sounding too aggressive.

I think the only tweeter I wasn't able to tame were the Focal kevlars... just sounded harsh no matter what I seemed to do.

[WLDock]

....I think the only tweeter I wasn't able to tame were the Focal kevlars... just sounded harsh no matter what I seemed to do.

Interesting, I was shocked when I had the older Focal Expert T1X tweets...they were much more harsh than the MB Quart Q series tweets. Crazy! Hard to believe....

[dBassHz]

Actually, I noticed that I like eq'ing the tweeters down at top. Maybe it's the tweeters I've been using. I also make it a point not to have anything in the field between me and the drivers.

I might have thought that the Seas have better off axis response because I already had the 16.4KHz eq'd down when I installed the XT19?

[stormtrooper]

What is there model # to order on the site ??

[solacedagony]

Search for model number SPX177R.
Tweeter is AT19NC01-04.

[300Z]

Hm, so ya, are they getting more or what, lol?

-aaron
x2?

[solacedagony]

More in 7-10 days. Just got an email back from them.

[ptt]

Wow you guys bought them out before I even had a chance to order myself a backup pair ;)

Seriously, if anyone can help me figure out how to get a set of mounting hardware for these I'll consider that a fair trade for sharing the link :)

Peter

[BodegaBay]

The tweeter mounting hardware specifically for this Vifa XT19 tweeter in the current SPX line is discontinued by Alpine. And I don't believe it is interchangeable with the previous SPX (177A) line either -- different P/Ns (Alpine typically uses the same hardware P/N's if they fit with multiple products).

This tweeter is interesting but from the user experiences above, it has too narrow of a dispersion and higher x-over point for my tastes. And it looks to be a pain in the ass to fabricate angle mounts if you don't have the flushed or surface swivel mounts.

Source: this thread (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2783&highlight=spx-177r).

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/daudi81/Tacoma4-10-06006.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/daudi81/Tacoma4-10-06001.jpg

[raamaudio]

I feel for the trap as well and have a set on the way to play with:) I do have several projects in the works, HT, kitchen/dining system, two cars to put systems in, etc, so I may find a home for them:)

I fell even harder for the "zapco" 6 channel amp, I bought four of them, why? Because I could I suppose, lol! (actually I may have a very good use for two and wanted a spare, the 4th I could always sell if not needed.

Rick

[300Z]

How low can these be crossed at?

[kappa546]

anyone received theirs yet? i figured i would have gotten mine already being in the first batch of orders.

[npdang]

I got mine a few days ago... loving it :) Now I need to sell my Seas neos...

[NaamanF]

I also fell into the trap. Couldn't pass up giving a try at that price. Did they come with any mounting hardware?

[kappa546]

crap... well i'll have to call tomorrow because i was gone from thursday morning til today. hopefully they didnt just leave them at the door. who did they ship with? i dont think i got a delivery notice either

[rekd0514]

That was fast! I bet they crapped with the sudden influx of orders on them like was mentioned above.

[npdang]

I got mine UPS. They came with a flush mount swivel cup, that's it.

[zfactor]

thats all i need is the cup.. sweet at least they have that

[03blueSI]

No grill or is the grill part of the tweeter assembly?

[npdang]

Grille is part of the assembly.

[cotdt]

hi npdang. what would be a good frequency to cross it at?

[300Z]

How low can these be crossed at?
bump?

[npdang]

Depends on how loud, and your tolerance for non-linear distortion. I plan to cross it over at 3.5khz, 4th order. You maybe able to go as low as 2.5khz with a steep slope, but there is definitely a sharp rise in distortion below 3khz as output is increased.

[montyburns]

What will you have playing 3.5k and below?


Depends on how loud, and your tolerance for non-linear distortion. I plan to cross it over at 3.5khz, 4th order. You maybe able to go as low as 2.5khz with a steep slope, but there is definitely a sharp rise in distortion below 3khz as output is increased.

[kappa546]

Depends on how loud, and your tolerance for non-linear distortion. I plan to cross it over at 3.5khz, 4th order. You maybe able to go as low as 2.5khz with a steep slope, but there is definitely a sharp rise in distortion below 3khz as output is increased.

will you be posting tests for us?

[npdang]

I can do another run, but there are tests up at elitecaraudio.com from I believe 2 yrs ago.

[kappa546]

i'm sure we'd all appreciate it considering the amount of members here that bought some. plus we all love graphs :)

[npdang]

Here's a fr plot.

Distortion wise it's nowhere near as good as the Seas neo below 3khz, but the top end dispersion is significantly better.

[andycph]

Anyone knows if their stocks have arrived?

[ArcL100]

Anyone knows if their stocks have arrived?

Not according to the website :(

-aaron

[zfactor]

guys they said at least 10-12 days these are business days i guess alpine was moving so they were not doing anything till after that

[fredridge]

NOOB question - just starting to learn again.

I currently have polk db6500's in my Ridgline. Mids in doors and tweets in sail panel. Not happy with them. Bright, harsh and tiring, no tweeter attenuation, but can adjust my h/u panasonic cq- 7203u at 10khz is currently -4

Anyway, to start experimenting and trying to soften sound a bit can I replace the polk db1000 tweeters with the xt19? can't find for sure, but I think polks are crossed over about 4k

Current setup
CQ-7203u
db6500's
Elemental 110v.2 d2
old school MTX 4320 and 2160

Sub going in this week, currently running old polk 8" in factory box

thanks for any help.

[ocuriel]

I say it's worth a try.

[solacedagony]

NOOB question - just starting to learn again.

I currently have polk db6500's in my Ridgline. Mids in doors and tweets in sail panel. Not happy with them. Bright, harsh and tiring, no tweeter attenuation, but can adjust my h/u panasonic cq- 7203u at 10khz is currently -4

Anyway, to start experimenting and trying to soften sound a bit can I replace the polk db1000 tweeters with the xt19? can't find for sure, but I think polks are crossed over about 4k

Current setup
CQ-7203u
db6500's
Elemental 110v.2 d2
old school MTX 4320 and 2160

Sub going in this week, currently running old polk 8" in factory box

thanks for any help.

Just make sure your tweeters are the same impedance or the crossover point will be different.

[fredridge]

Just make sure your tweeters are the same impedance or the crossover point will be different.
I believe the XT19's are listed as 4ohm and polk's are also, not sure what actual is, but since it is fluid with music, hopefully it will be close enough to not cause a problem.

ocuriel - Thanks, I think for $26 would be worth it, now if they would just list as "in stock" I would be set

[Sportsterdanne]

I emailed Pacparts and asked them if the ship overseas (Sweden).
If they dont, would someone here be kind enough to buy me a pair and send them to me ?
i have Paypal.

EDIT : They Emailed back now and they only sell in the US

[dogstar]

Im hoping these come back in stock, as I need a set of tweets soon.

[andycph]

I havent heard anything from them. I guess Alpine's trucks got jacked during the move???

[azngotskills]

I just called pacparts.com and the backorder arrival date is 4/6/07 :o They said it was shipping from Alpine Japan. There are currently ~53 orders waiting that they ordered ~100. Just relaying the info and kicking myself about not ordering earlier :(

[solacedagony]

They must shipped via the wooden raft with cardboard box sails special shipping... I ship at work and it takes like 3 days for UPS to get there.

[vwtoby]

got mine after being backrodered, about a week to deliver...

did everybody get flush cups with theres aswell?

[Jiggad369]

Are they available again?

[Loudtaco]

I ordered about two weeks ago and no ship notification yet.

[azngotskills]

the 1st wave of backorders shipped but the 2nd wave of backorders are said to be shipped in April

[pwnt by pat]

I called yesterday, first week of april is shipping date.

[skylar112]

just got a call from Pac Parts, these tweeters are now shipping.

[pwnt by pat]

excellent. I called yesterday and changed my billing information but forgot to ask when they're shipping :)

[npdang]

Distortion analysis shows a significant rise in distortion below 3khz.

[Beau]

just got a call from Pac Parts, these tweeters are now shipping.

Me too.

[fredridge]

I am currently running polk DB 6500's and was thinking about changing the tweeter because it is a bit bright/harsh. I would still be using my passive crossovers and they have no attenuation. Polk doesn't give any real specs, other than 4ohms and crossed over around 4000.

I am looking to get something softer and smoother as a temp until I can go active.

Any thoughts? I was thinking the lower sensitivity would attenuate them a bit. I have my H/U at -4 10khz

db1000
Type 1" component tweeter
Tweeter Complement 1" (25.4mm) soft dome tweeter
Mounting Diameter 2z" (52mm)
Mounting Depth (w/flush cup) 18" (28.5mm)
Mounting Depth (w/surface cup) 1" (25.4mm)
Peak Power Handling 180W
Continuous Power Handling 60W
Nominal Impedance 4 W
Frequency Response 4k-23kHz
Sensitivity 92dB

[Mazda3SQ]

Me too.

x3...woohoo, 3 months later...

[The Blue Blur]

paid for my pair. they have a significantly lower DC resistance than the MD100 and the impedence curve of the Vifa version is lower as well at the XO point of the dyn passives so I'm assuming the filter will shift high enough. It's temporary but I'm crossing my fingers for good results.

[skylar112]

aren't these cute? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/skylar112/0330071320.jpg

I didn't realize they were this small, and I couldn't believe how fast I got them. Pac Parts is in Cali and I'm in NJ. They only shipped it on Wed. Can't wait to slap these badboys in tomorrow.:D

[The Blue Blur]

Careful guys. Mine and apparently skylar's tweets didn't come with the flush cups that npdang mentioned. It's a detail but don't depend on them.

[Mazda3SQ]

Just got mine today as well, no flushmount here either.

[zfactor]

wow all three pair i recieved last time had the flush cups...

[96MaxGLE]

Is there anywhere I can get the flush cups? I just ordered a pair. What midbass are you guys running? I'm searching as we speak...

[azngotskills]

Yup no flush mount cups....the ones i got before had them but i guess the new shipment that came in doesnt :(

Anyone have ideas on how they are going to mount theirs???

[khail19]

What's the OD on these tweeters? Any chance they will work with the LPG flush mount cups?

http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cart_id=6578670.6568&pid=1916
http://www.madisound.com/images/product/lpgfm.jpg

[Mazda3SQ]

What's the OD on these tweeters? Any chance they will work with the LPG flush mount cups?

http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cart_id=6578670.6568&pid=1916
http://www.madisound.com/images/product/lpgfm.jpg

Not a chance, I'm running the lpg's and these alpines are MUCH smaller

[khail19]

Not a chance, I'm running the lpg's and these alpines are MUCH smaller

OK, it was worth a shot. :) Those are the only mounting cups I've seen for sale by themselves.

[BlackLac]

what about the cups for the Vifa D25, D26? Any one know the cutout for the "Alpine's". Those Vifa tweets are 45mm cutout.

edit: nm, the "Alpines" are 35mm.

[Mazda3SQ]

Thanks for the suggestion though khail, blacklac too.

If anyone has any other suggestions/solutions please feel free to share, there are at least 4 of us in need of them at this point.

[ACC]

Are these shipping with any mounting cups or just not the flush cups?

[azngotskills]

no mounting accessories at all....the 1st batch did though :confused:

[durwood]

hahah jokes on us. Guess it's not always a great deal. Just have to be creative. Anyone have a picture of what the cups look like? I'm thinking...

[mvw2]

Just got one of the 4 I purchased, the other 3 on their way. These buggers are tiny. They certainly appear well built.

As far as the mounting hardware, anybody know the part number for it? Or are we kind of on our own?

[skylar112]

I still think its a great deal. Its a great sounding tweeter and at $38 shipped? Luckily for me I just velcro'd it and put the sail covers back on. Looks stock on the surface.

[The Blue Blur]

I just called them re: the mounting cups. A rep told me they are meant as replacements for supplied hardware but didn't explain the fluke. He said he will call me, but they never called me back about the new type r tweeter I asked them for so I'm not keeping my hopes up.

[BlackLac]

wedge housing (http://www.pacparts.com/model.cfm?CFID=767269&CFTOKEN=85991391&mfg=ALPINE&model_id=SPXF13M&row_start=1&src_model_id=spx&action=list_part)

#721781

not sure if this is for the tweeter or the mid. could be worth a call if someone wanted. all other mounting accessories are listed not in stock, maybe down the road they will be.

Damn, i just got my tweets in the mail today. took about 2 days to ship. i can't believe how small these are, i thought they were 1"?

[mvw2]

Nope, 3/4" and cute:p

I've been toying with one a little bit off a laptop speaker out(SB Audigy 2) playing full range plus hooking it up to my bro's ED EDi6500 set. I bought two pairs, one for a replacement to his tweeters. Full range, these suckers are smooth and full. There's a lot of depth, no real noticable dips or peaks. I don't really get much of a sense of crispness though, no bite. It really seems like a very pleasant tweeter, very usable, decent off-axis performance. It'll be nice once I get these installed and under some actual power. My bro's EDi6500 tweeter is so different, lol, rolls off a good deal earlier, more crispness, detail, but the response isn't flat. The sensitivity of the XT19 tweeter is pretty low too in comparison. I think Alpine listed specs at 86dB? This was noticable when paired to my bro's EDi6500 woofers, with the +3dB setting on the x-over being just enough.

Now I'm going to have to pull out one of my Scans and see how they compare side by side, lol.

[Tempe]

$9.75 shipping sounds a tad crazy for such small items :confizzled:

[skylar112]

$9.75 shipping sounds a tad crazy for such small items :confizzled:

for me I thought it was reasonable. It came in 2 days, from DHL from cali to NJ. Shipping for 2 day on something like that is usually more. So I think its reasonable.

[amator]

anyone managed to remove the grill safely yet?
i want to see the nipple:D

[evangelos K]

They stiil have them, and I just got me another set (set #2 - so far). TOO GOOD not to have a spare set around. I like them much better than the 60001's (which I got from them couple years ago).

I have them on axis in Boston Acoustics housings amd they are BLILLIANT. No complains about output or "too silky" like some have said. They are on BA crossovers w/ BA mids and a tiny JL e2150 behind.

[andycph]

anyone managed to remove the grill safely yet?
i want to see the nipple:D

yeah, anyone?

[solacedagony]

yeah, anyone?
I'd also be interested in taking them off. I tried, but didn't get anywhere.

[tophatjimmy]

I just finally picked up a pair of these, so I'll throw in my .02

GREAT tweets. INSANE value. got mine for around $38 shipped from PacParts - no mounting hardware - and put them in today.

They replaced the alum. domes from my Infinity Kappa set. I'm running them off the front channels of my Arc 4150-CXLR through an Audio Control 2XS X-over (3300Hz HP/LP @ 18dB/Oct) and they sound GREAT!!!!

I had to gain up my amp quite a bit from where the kappas were, but these are nice, smooth tweets. The vocals in my music seem much more centered and prominent than they ever were before, can't say enough about these little gems.

Probably gonna buy another set as backups in case I blow up one. But I don't think there is a tweeter out there at under $14 each that will touch these babies.:o

[badlieu]

They stiil have them, and I just got me another set (set #2 - so far). TOO GOOD not to have a spare set around. I like them much better than the 60001's (which I got from them couple years ago).

I have them on axis in Boston Acoustics housings amd they are BLILLIANT. No complains about output or "too silky" like some have said. They are on BA crossovers w/ BA mids and a tiny JL e2150 behind.

Which BA crossover and mids are you running them on? I am tempted to swap them in for my 6.4 Pro tweeters. Which mount did you mate them with and how's the fit?

[evangelos K]

Which BA crossover and mids are you running them on? I am tempted to swap them in for my 6.4 Pro tweeters. Which mount did you mate them with and how's the fit?

The x-over from the basic s60 component set and the mounts from the same set for the tweets. Fit like a glove (little lose but they stay in place).

[badlieu]

The x-over from the basic s60 component set and the mounts from the same set for the tweets. Fit like a glove (little lose but they stay in place).

They don't seem to fit my Pro flush mounts. I found some tea light candles in my house that have a clear plastic base. Same diameter as my current Boston mounts - so I will probably just modify these to fit the Alpines. DIY baby!

[AudioBob]

I put the Alpine SPX-177R Component set in my car this weekend to check them out against my Diamond Audio D661s Component Set. The tweeter is really good. It images really well and has a very open and airy sound.

I think that I am going to try to pair them up with the D661 woofer to see how they work together. My wife thinks that I am crazy because my brand new car never seems to be totally put back together. She does not understand how obsessed I am with getting the sound just right. I am determined to get this car right because I could never get any of them to sound the way that I wanted them to.

I spent a couple of hours last night tuning the passive crossovers, amp crossovers and gains to get it to sound right. It usually takes me about two to three weeks to tune a change in to my system because I have a certain sound that I look for.

For the money this is a great tweeter that I think a lot of people would be very happy with. I think that it sounds a lot like the old Boston Acoustics Neo3r. I still have a set of them in my archives.

[badlieu]

Can I find the tiny quick connects at Radioshack or any of the car chains (Auto Zone, Advance Auto Parts, Pep Boys)? If not I will just put new connectors on them since I want to test these tomorrow.

[AudioBob]

You should be able to find the quick connects at Radio Shack.

[badlieu]

You should be able to find the quick connects at Radio Shack.

Thanks. The smallest they had was 3/16". I stopped at Advance Auto Parts and they had the .110" ones - but they only carry female ones. I'll just cut and connect.

[Bsams]

i HAVE THE XT25s @ 2.5k 24db/oct and they are fine. seems like the best imho.

[icky4]

Just bought a set of these little guys! Didnt really need them, but they are in stock and I will keep them for back up.

[hoamic11]

for those who ordered these, are they just the tweeters or did you get some of the mounting hardware with them???

[lucas569]

mine came w/ nada!

i heard the 1st batches came w/ hardware though....

[hoamic11]

damn, i've got the old ones from the spx-f17t set and the tweeters leads broke and from soldering them they have sunk in more

[icky4]

for those who ordered these, are they just the tweeters or did you get some of the mounting hardware with them???

Mine were tweets only. No hadware at all, but still a GREAT deal!

[mk1982]

are they still available from pacparts?

[aneonrider]

Email them & find out.

[azngotskills]

are they still available from pacparts?

nope doesnt look like they have anymore since its labeled as discontinued :(

[metanium]

I've got 3 of these brand new. One was taken out of packaging to look at, but never connected to anything. I doesn't look like I'll ever get around to installing them. So, I'll take $15/ea shipped.

[fastfreddy7]

you want 15 for a pair, or indiv.?

[metanium]

$15 each, individually. Like I said, one has been opened, the othe two are sealed. The opened one has never seen power I just had to check it out. I bought the third one as a backup in case I ever damaged one. I ended up going with larger tweeters in my truck, so I doubt I'm ever going to use these.

[fastfreddy7]

metanium= YGPM

[fastfreddy7]

Well, seeing as how Metanium sold the tweeters after telling me to paypal him the money because he still had them, looks like I m still looking for a set of these, anyone have a pair?

[hoamic11]

well pacparts now has these as discontinued, does anybody have a few extra sets they wanna sell?

[icky4]

Ive got a pair that I would be willing to sell. PM me if you are interested.

[Wildcat_Fan]

YGPM

[mdma]

I want to buy a pair. If you are willing to sell, please email your price for the pair shipped to 94707 to TAY ((at)) berkeley [.] edu

Thank you

[jonboy193]

after all this, are there still a set for sale..? cuz I'm game to buy.

jon

[icky4]

Ive got a pair that I would be willing to sell. PM me if you are interested.

My pair has been sold. Good luck with your searches to find some.