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Default 2003 Holden Berlina (Commodore) SQ Install

Hey guys, long time lurker here, guess i should post my system now that it is respectable

Make - Holden
Model - VY Berlina Series 2
Year - 2003
Colour - Vespers Blue Mica

Performance:
Suspension: Kings 'Low' Heavy Duty Springs, KYB shocks
Tyres: Bridgestone Potenza RE001 225/55
Brakes: QFM HP-X pads

Exterior:
-Calais front grille/bonnet garnish and headlights.
-Holden 'By Design' Level2 skirt kit (still need to paint/fit rear skirt lol)
-WK Statesman guard indicators
-S-pack bootlid spoiler (need to paint/fit Senator bobtail)

Interior:
-Calais S1 dark woodgrain
-SS aluminium pedals
-Calais S2 Instrument Cluster
-White instrument backlighting throughout, blue footwell lighting

Audio:
Headunit: Modified factory Blaupunkt 6-stacker (aux in, line out, remote signal)
Amp (Front Stage): MB Quart Q4.80 (not installed yet)
Amp (Rear Stage, Sub): Response 5-channel
Digital Sound Processors: MiniDSP (soon to be MiniDSP x2)
Front Stage: 7" Usher 8945A Carbon-Fibre Woofers, 1" Vifa BC25SC06-04 Tweeters
Rear Fill: Response 6.5" Kevlar Coaxials
Sub: Boston Acoustics G3 10" DVC
Sound deadening: Lots of dynamat Xtreme, Stinger roadkill Expert

Car as new (to me, 2008):




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Future plans are to redo the boot install so everything is under a false floor (currently the amp/processor are mounted under the parcel shelf) and install the MB Quart amp, then maybe go 3-way with Fountek FR89's on the A-pillars. I also plan to get rid of the standard headunit, hopefully replacing it with a car PC.
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Looks good (seen it on MEA numerous times )

Will we see the car competing at MEASQ Round 3 on March 31st?

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Nice job! I love how the mini dsp case turned out

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Love the door speakers under the grill and the mini dsp! How much $ did the mini dsp set you back?

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Looks good (seen it on MEA numerous times )

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+1, such a well thought out and executed 'real' install.

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The minidsp set me back about $180aud including the enclosure and minidc powersupply board. I've got a second minidsp board ready to go in. It'll fit in the enclosure above the first one, which will allow me to run 4 way active (3 way + sub).
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sweet! how do u like the interface?

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Some things are a tad clunky, but i can't complain because it does everything i want it to
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Measured Frequency Response (Right, Left, Combined)

Pretty happy with this for a daily tune.

Next step is to come up with a tune for competition which isn't so bass heavy and listening position dependent. If you move a few inches it measures completely differently hah - i'll probably meter it from a few different listening heights and come up with a 'jack of all trades' tune of sorts.

I'm also experimenting with pulling out some time alignment from the passenger side as that seems to help kill sibilance - i guess because the sounds become staggered (+3dB) rather than coherent (+6dB).
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Default Re: 2003 Holden Berlina (Commodore) SQ Install

update time...

Sikaflexed and deadened the bootlid, boot floor, quarter panels, parcel shelf and back of the seats




Fountek FR89EX's:


Trying out some tweeters, i've decided on the Vifa NE19VTT-04 (bottom right)


Another G3:


New sub box design (i changed it a bit after this):


Got another DSP board so i have 8channels of processing (3-way + sub), installed in the same enclosure as the existing one



Making some progress on the new sub box:
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MDF boot floor, this gives me something to solidly mount my amps/sub to:



Modified my old sub box with a big 100mm PVC port for the lolz and entered it in an SPL competition. Got 131.4dB @ 42Hz on 340watts, not bad at all for a little 10" on barely any power haha


Pulled apart a brand new 1200w Option Audio monoblock and changed the LEDs to white to fit in with my theme, also flipped the heatsink around so the writing is facing the right way for how i'm going to mount it.



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Bought myself a gas torch so i can solder large gauge wire, just did a few odds and ends to practice:




Two Q4.80s for the front speakers.


Rounded edges with a 10mm roundover bit and carpeted the box:


I had to macgyver my router as the hole in the baseplate wasn't big enough for a 19mm roundover bit to fit through:


Rounded the ports and painted in dark metallic grey:


They still need a clearcoat, then i'll trim them with carpet like this:
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lookin nice! i just registered on MEA

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Love the look of the install so far, nice clean work!

Can you tell me where you sourced your MiniDSP project box? Im going to be running the same setup (2 minidsp's and one power input board). Thanks !

EDIT: Actually just found it in your thread on the minidsp forum. Heres an updated link. http://www.ebay.com/itm/230754216900...84.m1423.l2649


Unfortunately, I dont see a "height" measurement listed for the standard dsp boards so I had no idea what hieght box to look for. Can you tell me what they measure? How tight of a squeeze is it in the project box for the two boards on top of each other?


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Here ya go, Cap.

http://www.hammondmfg.com/1457EMI_RFI.htm

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The only thing I don't like about those is they are fully enclosed except for the end caps. I like that version that I put in the link above which is just what the OP used. It allows the top and bottom halves to come apart for easy connection and maintenance. Good stuff!

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One of the sides, come off.
Check out this thread.
Dual Mini-DSP in a case

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Very nice work..

One question though. I'm new to sound processors, why would you choose the mini dsp over say, an alpine, audision, jbl or the likes?

I ask because I'm upgrading my 2012 Mustang 5.0 (base audio) and plan on keeping the stock hu, I just can't decide on the loc/processor.

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Price & DIY factor



Apologies to the OP for the slight derailment.

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No probs .

Price was definitely the deciding factor for going the miniDSP route, plus it gave me a project to do
Allow for 2cm height for each DSP board.







Did a 138.4dB on music (on Termlab), good enough for me.

The standard door trims are not ideal for SQ, so i'm going to add additional grills to the map pocket that covers approximately half the speaker.


The MB Quart amps have some thermal noise (hissing) when the gain is wound out past halfway, which is needed for the weak signal from the miniDSP (0.9v). Some DIY line drivers should solve that.
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still like this install!! on both forums

can you tell me more about the hiss on the MBQuarts?

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Just some white noise in the background. There are quite a few opamps in the crossover/input stage of the amps, ch1&2 has 5, ch3&4 has 7, i guess they all add up to a bit of noise. The gain control is implemented after all the crossovers etc so by turning the gain down it also shuts up the noise but then my input signal isn't strong enough to max out the amps.

I changed the opamps in one amp from the crappy JRC4558s to LM4562s (free samples ftw!), and added 0.1uf ceramic caps across the powersupply to all the opamps. The noise changed to a smoother character but it's still just as loud. It's probably just down to the circuit design and PCB layout. I was tempted to bypass all the crossovers/bassboost/etc since i don't use them, but i think most of the noise is coming from the opamps that are on the main PCB (as opposed to a daughter board), and those ones can't be bypassed easily.
The treble is noticeably crisper after the opamp swap so it wasn't a complete waste of time

With some line drivers i should be able to turn down the gain on the amps to minimum, eliminating the noise. Hopefully my line drivers don't add just as much noise...

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Why weren't you at the last round of MEASQ, Tim?

We haven't seen the car since round 3!.. 4 months ago!

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