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Default audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's car hifi built

Hello,

I realized I never posted my car. I've been modifying it since 2011.

I choose this Car because it has a lot of details I like :
- it's a good size ( not too big, not too small ), well looking Car with a nice 211 HP motor with a nice torque ( 350 Nm )
- it has stock 20cm door speaker, 8.5cm midtones on the dashboard !

I choose the Bang and olufsen stock audio setup but didn't expect much of it.
My previous car had a nice home made hifi setup with cool stuff ( pioneer P9, front subwoofer ) , here to see : Werner's Peugoet 406 : small and heavy hi-fi


for the record, this is what the stock setup looks like, for any of you having a similar audi :
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

and well, the sound of the stock setup didn't sound nice at all for me ! harsh, no dynamic bass...
But I understand some choices AUDI made : they wanted light, efficient loudspeakers. all the B&O loudspeakers are plastic and paper... today's cars have to light : so lighters speakers, lighter amplifiers, lighters sound damping ...

anyway, I didn't wait very long to change the Speaker : 2 weeks later I first tested other speakers on the dashboard : even cheap Boss Speaker worked better than the stock ones
I had to grind them to fit them in , but it worked !
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

it was a nice start

then I went for other speakers in the doors : 20 cm focal
by the way, the doors are very easy to knock down, I love them.

it made a nice improvement. but I wasn't satisfied yet...
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

the stock subwoofer in the rear didn't fit to the sound. As I was used to 100% front bass from my previous Car ( subwoofers front ) , I couldn't stand a subwoofer in the rear...

the stock electronics couldn't provide a balanced sound staging and I was missing my beloved headunit pioneer p9 which provides so many adjustements...

So I studied how to fit in an aftermarket headunit : well what a headache ! nothing is made to fit another head unit : no one makes a plastic headunit adapter to this dashboard and if you remove the stock unit, the central display screen shuts off !

thank you modern cars !

So as I am stubborn, I made it my way !

As I am forced to keep the stock cd player , I will built a second audio setup in the Car !

So I built a part to hold the pioneer headunit and put the stock cd player in the glovesbox !! I had to cut the stock CD player !
by the way, I don't have the GPS, so there was a place in the glovebox ...

This was in 2011, I didn't search if any one provided an aftermaket solution since then...

anyway, this works for me since 6 years, so I'm glad I made it !

notice that the ESP OFF button had to go in the glovebox too
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

So I was very happy to have a very good base for a nice hifi setup !
the pioneer P9 with the q9 unit allows to control 8 speakers.

full digital filters on 8 speakers with time correction on each speakers
31 band L + R independant equalizer


I could now install my amplifiers. at first I used a nice Mc intosh and a pioneer.

mc intosh 4 channel for the mid/tweet on the dash board + the doors and the pioneer for a future subwoofer
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

so where to put a front subwoofer ?
in my previous car, I had 2 25cm subwoofer under each front seat, facing the legs ! I worked nice !

So I tryied to make the same thing ! but this time, I would use nice small focal subwoofer : utopia 13ws

I made a few test in a wooden sub box. I sounded very good. incredible little things !
but it would even be better with 2 pcs in a bigger glassfiber box !
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

here goes the glass fiber sub box , only 1 pcs under the passenger seat.
Why not 2 ? well my previous Car learned me that the left subwoofer under the driver tends to disturb the staging : phase problems occurs that time correction can't arrange

so 1 box under the passenger works very good. Notice that I don't compete in sound competitions and that all that matters is for me, the driver, to have the best sound !

actually, if I drive with someone, I turn down the music and talk !

anyway, here goes the built :

fitting tests with the seat on a very low position then fitting on a honeycomb like material that absorbs the polyester liquid
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

after that, the usual glassfiber reinforcement

volume turned out to be 5L
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

I made myself a little guilty pleasure and add some carbon fiber even if it can't be really seen actually

notice how the box doesn't stick out. actually no one noticed it when they climb in
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

then the front part and some carpet.
I made a separate front plate so that I can access easily in the box when putting the fiber.

damn it !! I can't find any picture of the finished sub box ! I will take some and post them soon, 5 years later after the built !!
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

took some pictures today, 5 years after the built of this subwooferbox
even found some nice legs to fit in the Car ! show purpose only !

so how does it sound : well, believe it or not, those 2 little guys provide a nice punchy, round bass at a surprising level !
Of course, those are not deep bass killers : I ease their job a bit by filtering them @ 20 Hz , 36Db/oct .
I have to add 4Db in this deep bass range : 20 Hz to 30 Hz

So they won't make the whole Car vibrate like a sub in the trunk box but they complete the front sound very very nicely and hit very happily !
I cut them @ 100 Hz, 18Db/oct

another grat point is that this little box in just attached to the car ; not fixed by screws . This means that no vibrations are transmitted to the car : you got nothing ratteling , yet a great quantity of bass !

overall, I'm truly satisfied with the bass : I love how any drum will hit , kick at a high level of sound. any music rich with bass is very enjoyable ( just heard the roots at full level but the girlfriend couldn't stand this spl ! )

you got to hear it to believe it !
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

sound deadening : well, when I first drove the audi a4, I was quite disapointed : you hear way too much the noise of the road !
Of course, this Car is not a mercedes S class , but the A4 is quite expensive and you could expect it to be a much quieter drive

But I can understand why modern cars are not as silent as the older ones :

- chassis are now made of thinner steel sheet ( various thickness in the right places )
this cost less steel , is still stiff if not stiffer than previous cars and makes the Car lighter and thus more agile
BUT roadnoises can easily come inside the car

- tires are larger than previously : mine has 245/45R17 tires : this means more roadnoises. I even think the stock michelin are quite noisy.
In fact, I even went for another size : 225/55R16 , toyo C1s : much less noise and more confort. Of course, a worse handling in fast turns

- Modern cars have to stay light , so manufacturers uses less damping material. Actually I didn't found any oldshool black "tar" damping matt.
I only found a grey foam. this is because people buy a car does uses less gasoline, therefore it has to be lighter.
Sound deadening is far under in the list of priorities.

- underneath the car, manufacturers used to put a thick coat of damping material to protect the chassis ; modern car have plastic underbodies : it's lighter, cheaper and gives a better aerodynamic : BUT is it not efficient in sound deadening !

don't you agree with me ?

so well, let's pull out some stuff and stick some other stuff in it !!
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

So I started with the fender : once again, modern Car changed the technology for good results or worse results
Modern Car use inner fender made of thin fleece : it's lighter, cheaper and the dirt doesn't stick.
older cars had thicker plastic inner fenders that, well, you know, had better sound deadening performances !

anyway, I glued some damping matt wherever I could

Results were quite lame, but it had to be done !
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

time for some serious work : let's access to the floor !

to reduce the road noises, I decided to take out the floor mattress and put some serious sound deadening.

First I took out the stock foam, too light in my opinion
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

I used regular deadening matt + some reknown dynamat

I decided to go really NUTS by adding STEEL plates too ! hey, you don't want to redo the job ! and it's all about weight !

so all the large aeras of the chassis that sounded empty are covered. I used my finger and clock on the chassis like a door to hear the sound !

I even drove the Car without the floor mattress to make some sound check , roadnoises check and well , this results gave some great results !

I also added a thick rubber mattress and stuffed foam in any holes !
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I also sticked some rubber pads on the large interior plastic panels
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Same work has to be done in the front doors. I never done the rear ones... yeah I got lazy !

sticking pads + steel plate : nothing has to move or vibrate !
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

all back in and final test : well, this hard work gave great results : Car is quieter and you can enjoy some nice silence when driving on any type of road. The Car feels like a really expensive one now !

I added approx 20 - 25 kg inside + doors

I wasn't expecting that but the Bass is clearly louder ! bass improved like a 6Db boost ! and this just listening to the 16cm in the doors ! with the focal 20cm, you could even listen to music without the subwoofer ( when parked, not driving )
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

Yeah Nouméa ! Expat' ?
Keep posting it's interesting!
Did you think about adding a small trunk sub for the low end to complement?
Seat boxes are really not popular here (well I think).
I did try them once, sort of dual midbass with one in door/one in seat, and it worked surprisingly well.

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Yeah Nouméa ! Expat' ?
Keep posting it's interesting!
Did you think about adding a small trunk sub for the low end to complement?
Seat boxes are really not popular here (well I think).
I did try them once, sort of dual midbass with one in door/one in seat, and it worked surprisingly well.
hey there ! actually I was born and raised here, in this nice but small place

the pioneer P90/q90 that I use can filter 8 loudspeakers : that's what I do so there is no place left for an additionnal subwoofer!
But I don't mind the ultra low end that is not powerful : You can hear deep bass where it is intendend even if it doesn't shake the seat.
Actually, it is even more realistic : after all, when you listen music at home, you don't have the whole seat shaked by infrabass !

seat box are indeed a great idea for sub , bass and kick !

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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

Tweeters !

I first removed the stock tweeters and placed the ones from the focal IS 200 kit. I like soft tweeters so that i can listen to very loud heavy metal music without aching !

I had to modify them slightly to fit in. I kept this setup for a very while because it was OK, even if it wasn't tremendous or very detailed. I kept on working on the other speakers and locations

The stock grill is very badly pointed ( downwards ! ) so it actually mutes the tweeter !

in my setup the tweeters don't have so much work : the mid on the dashboard can be run very high, like 5 - 6 KHz. so the tweeters just work above those freqs
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

mid on the dashboards : So i had this nice 2 way little BOSS speakers installed for a while

I kind of glued them in place with this sticky material.

sounded nice fir a first setup but of missing details and power.
Notice that the big magnet fits tighly in place witha little grinding ! yes, i grinded a few millimeters of the magnet !
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and this happened when removing them ! because well, they were well glued and I used a screwdriver to reach them !

anyway, I wanted to better ones !
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as I like to play and test various speakers, I went for some goofyness : small 40mm mylard speakers ( used for computers ) ; just for fun

this little cheap things are fun : they can provide some sound, but mostly high frequences, like a big tweeter. basic sound, no details or dynamic and quite soft !

It's part of the fun in this hobby : testing, trying different positions and settings

of course, the fully digital ajustable filters, time alignement from the pioneer makes this very simple
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Default Re: audi A4 b8 2011 : werner's hifi

seriously, those are the midrange I choose : FOUNTK FR 88 EX

these little fellow are very cheap : I bought them 20 USD each back in 2012
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