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Default 89Targa Carrera

I'm moving this thread from another board for the lack
of civilized humans. Seems this would be a much better
place for me to be.

Its been over 8 years sense I have had a good system
in any of my vehicles. Now a disabled Vet I have more
than enough time to build a nice system. I think its been
12 years of so sense I did an install so much of the install
will take more time than most of you.

The car is one of those dream car deals, found an old
lady that was selling, it belonged to her late husband.
It will also get an interior restoration along with the
audio install. So, I will have to work around materials
waiting to be made or shipped. The system will be an
8chan with no rear fill.

THE CAR



THE GEAR
front stage MBQuart RWC200's 8"/ DSD210's 4" component
The 8's will go in the doors with the 4" component in the kicks


The amps that I'll use aren't yet decided. I have
two A/D/S P450 BUT I don't know if I want to use
them in favor of some newer low current draw. The
head and processors are again oldschool Sony ES
P1,X1,T1. Subs are yet to be determined but will
need to be slim in nature.

So, I'm looking forward to updates and input from
you guys/gals. If anyone has 1st hand knowledge
of some nice low current draw amps and slim subs
I'm open for suggestions.
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Over the past couple of days I've taken out the factory kicks
masked and fiberglassed a mold of the OEM part. I've made
templates for the 4/tweet baffles and will cut those out tomorrow
and mock up placement on the fiberglass part.

I'm trying to decide if I want to paint them to match the car or
cover them in carpet which is what the factory kicks are. Carpet
would make them far less noticeable and hide any imperfections
in my fairing. The door pods that I am going to make will be paint
matched to the car so perhape that would look best for the kicks?

If anyone has suggestions for a high end 8 chan amp setup I'm open
to suggestions. Budget in the 2k range. I've thought about the 6chan
McIntosh with a 2chan sub amp, so something along those lines.
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Maybe a zapco DC650.6 and then a zap two channel?
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A guy I work with has the same car, only in red. I love the sound of the boxer engine!!! Maybe you can get two JL HD amps to meet your needs for low power draw and high quality sound. Your cars electrical system will thank you.

Nice MB Quart speakers as well and you should be very happy with their sound when you are done.

Good luck with your install.

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JL HD's or maybe a couple of Zed's new offerings after they establish themselves. Or a couple Zuki Eleets if you can find them.
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I did a similar install with Quarts in a mint '78 Targa some years back. It was a time warp car....original owner never drove it and sold it to make room for a new one. Think it had 6k miles...this was about a decade a go.

The new owner put a nice system in it (200/100/25mm Quart three-ways like yours), a nice Alpine CD and an Xtant 3ch. She planned on driving it every day (as all cool cars should be handled).
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sense=/=since.... sorry I'm a nazi

Badass car, I'd love to see more pics!!!

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Sense=/since your a nazi=ass YOU'LL
have to wait for more pics of the car!
You will find that my spelling can be
quite bad depending on time of day and
if I have taken my meds. Also, if I have
or haven't used spell check. Being disabled
does have an advantage or two.

Kidding aside, give me what you would like
to see on the car and I'll try and take you a
few pics. I've now only had it about a month
the last owner spent a year doing an external
restoration. I'm left with doing the inside and
that is a work in progess as well as the audio
work. TO me it worked out perfect, I would hate
to rip into an aready restored no scratches car.

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and compliments.
I will try and update as often as I am able to actually work
on the car, I am very anxious to do so. I am now one week
behind on building the kicks.

thanks everyone for the welcome and compliments!
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well, I'm a pic whore. I'd like to see a pic of everything you intend to change/update/upgrade. Other than that, I just say show off the car.

The JL HD series amps are getting awesome reviews. I'd also check out the new Stereo Integrity BM shallow subs

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Cool assed car man.

Look into this one if you want an 8 channel with a small footprint,

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...amplifier.html
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Welcome to DIYMA; looking forward to the build. I travel to Mobile frequently and would to see the vehicle.

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How are you arranging your subs. if you haven't quite decided, do a search for innovative audio (now defunct) from seattle. they did a setup in Sir Mixalot's 930cab where they put a 12 in each of the rear seat areas. they did the enclosures downfiring and made them look like seats. worked really well, sounded well, and looked great.
as far as amps, I know I would buy JL slash series amps. that's just me.

Lot's of stuff in a garage awaiting the next install.
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I'M GOING TO TRY AND ANSWER ALL OF THESE MESSAGES
IN ONE POST......(sorry for the caps)


SAM,
I tell you what, how bout we'll get together when I am doin
with the car. Seeing progress or lack as it seems as of late
really is nothing to look at. Plus I live in a huge neighborhood
which is a navigational nightmare. But once I'm done I can
meet you at a central location and let you take a demo. Bring
your fav CD's........

SLOMOFO,
Thanks for the install suggestion. I'm going to do likely two 10s
in a sealed enclosure. The subs will fire towards the engine in a
very thin enclosure. It will fire into the wall and vent into the cab
area. You will look into the box via plexi at the baskets in a fiber-
glass tub. Kind of hard to explain, when I get to that point you'll
see where its going. I am going to try and mimic the nice rear
wheel tub that the car has and make the sub box the same.
My amps or processors will be in the place where those seats
are in fiberglass tubs.

The amps I would love to get my hands on which I've owned in
the past when I sold them were Blade SE's. I've yet to find any-
thing that sounded close to them. If any of you know of any of
the new stuff do tell because I honestly am not up to speed on
anything from the past 12 or so years. I've been playing in the
middle east sand for too long and have no clue what is great
these days! THANKS!! OH, I had a buddy that still works in
the field tell me the Slash stuff sounded nice, I'm just worried
about current draw. These cars have pretty small charging
systems. So, the HD JL amps may be about my best choice
so far. I've heard the ALPINE dig amps are not very natural
or neutral sounding. I'm not wanting something to color or
have a strong freq range.

CEDOMAN,
I've looked and read into the ZED amps that are now being
made and honestly the amount of people that have had bad
exp makes me want to shy away. I don't know anything about
the ZUKI's and will have to find some reviews but I have added
them to my search list. I do appreciate your feedback though!
Do stay tuned, this is sure to be a really fun build. I look forward
to working with glass again and may even try some hard metal
machine work.


EVERYONE, thanks for dropping by my build blog thingie I know
I have been slow with build pics I will tighten up. DO, come back.
AGAIN, if you find loads of misspelling keep in mind I am under
very high doses of pain meds and meds for a disease which I
was diagnosed with a couple of years ago. ALL 6 of them are
in many ways mind altering, I'll try and use spell check as much
as possible. I promise I am well educated and world traveled and
not a 3 toothed Alabama RedNeck...
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good luck on the project buddy.

i've always wanted that car and i love those MB Quarts
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CEDOMAN,
I've looked and read into the ZED amps that are now being
made and honestly the amount of people that have had bad
exp makes me want to shy away. I don't know anything about
the ZUKI's and will have to find some reviews but I have added
them to my search list. I do appreciate your feedback though!
Do stay tuned, this is sure to be a really fun build. I look forward
to working with glass again and may even try some hard metal
machine work.
Hey Fly... understandable about the Zed amp. Let me tell you that the Leviathan was just manufactured by ZED just this past August. It is one hell of an amp. I just received mine on Friday. If your main concern is your car's elctrical system especially since this is a 89 edition.. I would run straight to Zed especially for its quality, reliability, price, and sophistication of the amp itself. Call up Steve Mantz at Zed Audio and talk to the man. The Zuki's are probably the best thing I could have done for my frontstage (mids & tweets). Its pretty good on my electrical too with a price tag that outweighs the cost off true audiophile amps that you would get for $1000- $1500. You have to here them to believe it. That's a good car. Good luck with the glassing.

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Honestly,... the Leviathan is worth way more than its price tag of $600 IMHO. There were some issues to be fixed because it was his first class "d" 6 channel amp, but that should not stop you from using it in your install. I was just admiring it this evening. Here are some pics. The pics don't do it justice. You really have to see it up close to see its components and quality of his craftsmanship. You won't get this from the JL HD amps that cost the same for a 4 channel. Read his literature that came with the amp and you will be convinced:






And for shallow subs... I like the JL TW5.. specs looks good.. but I never heard one as of yet.




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First I really need to apologize to those of you who have
subscribed to my build. I know its likely the slowest build
on this board and for that I'm sorry. I was able to get some
new meds this week after my old dope really stopped
working. The blessed UPS man delivered my goods to-
day and by 4pm I felt like working on my kicks. I'm sure
many of you are my age and working at bench height
takes a toll on the neck. One of the meds I got today
really helped that, I'm grateful.

This update really isn't anything you guys haven't seen
before but its not yet documented in my build. I drew
up a tear drop shape for the Quart 4" and tweet. Cut
that out and drew out where the mid and tweet would
be located. It really looked too large so I reduced that
down quite a bit to a shape just small enough to hold
the drivers. These parts will be painted red (I think)
with the rest of the kick paint matched to the exterior
of the car. I took the factory kick panels out of the car
and took a mold of those. Again, nothing you guys
haven't seen. I had some issues with some old resin
not setting up so I went and purchased new. I had to
make up some hot batches to flash the old resin. I'm
quite glad this worked, I damn sure didn't want to re-
mold them. I hope this weekend I can get those molded
parts trimmed to near the shape they should be. I'll then
remask the inside of the car, place the new kick in and
bondo them for a more exact fit. Again, nothing you guys
haven't done. However, I will take pics of this process to
show just how cramped the working area and what lies
behind the panel. You'll see how very well made these
little cars are.

I've settled on a door panel design and am looking really
forward to getting to those. The pull handle, and all door
trim will remain black, the coverings will be a red leather
called "LOBSTER" with the part that I'm glassing being
paint matched (silver) to the car. It sounds really busy
but it should look pretty classy. If I don't like the silver I'll
paint them black. The thing is the silver look will be carried
to the inside of the sub enclosure and amp, processor rack.

Also, today I found my old IXOS 6chan RCA's that I may
cut up and use some nice Phoenix Gold ends. In the same
box was my old IXOS speaker wire. Now I have to talk my
nephew into taking my old power wire out of my old car to
match all the rest of the gear. That crap was like 6 bucks a
foot, I sure hope he proves me wrong and gives it to me...
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Cedoman,

I have heard the JL 13TW5 in one of my friends demo cars and they sound really nice. He has a pair of them fiberglassed into the spare tire well running off of one of the new HD amps. I believe that it is an HD750.

They don't dig ultra low, but they play a very nice range of basss and sub-bass. I could certainly live with them. He had them sharing the air space and I don't know if they would be better in separate enclosures.

In his other demo car he has 4 8w7s' in a sealed enclosure running off of a 1000/1. I thought that the TW5s sounded just as musical and played just a touch lower than the 48w7s.

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Default Re: 89Targa Carrera UPDATE WITH AMP PORN!!!!

Due to all the rain we have had over the past 2 weeks has
really cut down on my glass lay-ups. So, I've taken the time
to send off items that were in need of repair, also placing
order for some rarities. I did end up redoing my kick baffles
which I thought were just a bit too large. Those will get reshaped
tomorrow. Now that I have my amps I'll know how much wire I
need to order. I had all the wire needed but my nephew is being
a jackass and not bringing my old IXOS wire, so I'm in need of
finding some very flexible 4 gauge power and ground wire, also,
some 10 gauge from the fuse blocks to amps. I think I am going
the Tsunami route, they have some rather unique items that you
don't see too often. Plus the price is right.... I should have my
subs in at the end of the week. My ES system needed some
rather extensive repair, those parts wont be in until next week
but they should be good to go. Not bad for a system I've had
15 years.

I know everyone loves pics so here is some amp PORN!!!!
I GOT LUCKY! So, it is looking like this will be an OLDSCHOOL
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I have a brand new set of Quart 4" Premium mids...the last model that were made in Germany. They're languishing in the box in my cabinet...look to be newer/better than what you have there. If you're at all interested, shoot me a PM....I'll pass them on for cheap to a good home (like your build). They're all that's left from my Quart stash....200mm, 160mm, 130mm, 100mm and 25mm drivers...all new and all the last German made stuff.
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cool car. Every one of those I have ever done gets AMAZING mid-bass from the doors.
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Blade Amps...Man I remember those amps.
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Default Re: 89Targa Carrera

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Originally Posted by kh971 View Post
Blade Amps...Man I remember those amps.
I sure hope this is the same case with mine. I'll be putting
the Quart 8s in door pods.

Can you give me an idea how you mounted the speaker?

I was going to make a pod that attached over the top of
the door panel. The pod will be an extention of the door
pocket. Where the map pocket is below the speaker that
will get extended up and house the 8. If any of that makes
sense.
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