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Looks great...........But.............I have to wait until April to listen?


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I almost detect a 'na, na, na, na, na.....' there. I think you are going to be impressed. I played through that little mix cd that I gave out at the last meet - wow!
I apologize. I was trying to keep my taunts a bit more subtle.

That being said, I'll be sure to let you all know how they sound before the next meet!

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Looks great...........But.............I have to wait until April to listen?

I need to get over to Kinston - only a short 3 hour drive....

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I apologize. I was trying to keep my taunts a bit more subtle.

That being said, I'll be sure to let you all know how they sound before the next meet!
I'm usually the one that likes to talk things down and hope that the other person actually is impressed, but this time I'm not talking them down - I'm impressed.

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Great work Ryan. The integration of the amps and the craftsmanship of the rings are fantastic. And, may I add, that all this work was completed in one week!!!

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Thanks John..... When you see them you'll agree that they could use another day or two . But I so look up to the likes of Mark and Bing setting my bar for fabrication, not the "typical" shop- I've still got a ways to go

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i would love to have a cnc, pillars look great. dont worry about those air bags. Hope to be at spring meet. Has John listened to it yet? think its great that you pre wired for tweets, just in case. keep up the work Slade, i have to get back to work so i can buy a cnc now. thanks a lot, not like i dont have a tool fetish

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man those look awesome! great work ryan! i look forward to hearing them at the next meet.
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man those look awesome! great work ryan! i look forward to hearing them at the next meet.
Thanks! We should be able to get together before then - send me a pm some time to get together - during the week or on a weekend.

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I need to get over to Kinston - only a short 3 hour drive....
Me and Sleeves both will hang with you. Come on out. My schedule is always flexible.

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Looking great brother! That Hobbit does turn out some really nice work. LOL!

Can't wait to get back east and have a listen. Are you still running the Morel tweets in the sails or no?

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Looking great brother! That Hobbit does turn out some really nice work. LOL!

Thanks man

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They're still mounted in the sails
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I hear you Ryan. After doing some initial tuning on an XR duo this past weekend I can say FOR SURE that a tweeter is not needed.

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That's a great job. What would be the difference in sound turning the sub ?
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I would agree that they aren't "needed"..... but I liked it better with a tweeter to fill from ~10k and up. I feel the tweeter just adds an airy and open detail up top that seems constrained by the driver itself. If I were to sit in a car with the XR3M and no tweeter, I probably wouldn't miss it, but we did some A/B with and without and I felt that it gave it a bit of crispness to finish up the detail on top. Just my preference

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I would agree that they aren't "needed"..... but I liked it better with a tweeter to fill from ~10k and up. I feel the tweeter just adds an airy and open detail up top that seems constrained by the driver itself.
I agree.
I personally prefer to have a tweeter to fill in the top range. It's not a necessity, though.

The good thing about these kind of setups is that the higher you go in crossover (ie: 10k+ for tweeter), the less phase correction (time alignment) is needed and you can pretty much work out the balance with the fader or use of resistors passively and still only need a 5 channel amp to rock a whole system.

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As I know what you mean by airy and/or open. The term constrained hmmmm not sure if i agree totally well in the wording.

This is something that I have tried to explain on a few different occasion, so no marketing BS comes into play. A wide-band driver will never quite have the lightness or airy on the very top end as that very small and lighter dome. But it is not that it is constrained it just has more weight to it as in not as light or airy, as in the XR3M case; as it is in very small crowd of Super Wide-Bands that really and truly extends out pass 20khz

You know at times I'm like you Ryan, i like a light airy top end but most of the time I like the added weight and dynamics the large cone adds to very dynamic music passages. But that slight air you were missing can be somewhat eq'ed in a bit. but don't over do it as it will start to sound a bit unnatural as with anything you over eq.

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I was going to argue that point, but Mark beat me to it. And his agrument is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

Again, great work on J's Bimmer Ryan. You are a craftsman sir!

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I was going to argue that point, but Mark beat me to it. And his agrument is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

Again, great work on J's Bimmer Ryan. You are a craftsman sir!
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Here is a link to the meet we will have in North Carolina for anyone nearby that wants to hear some really good local cars.

Central NC Spring Meet April 30th/May 1st

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I took a few more pictures of the pods installed after I cleaned up the car a bit.









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I took a few more pictures of the pods installed after I cleaned up the car a bit.
Nice. Do you notice them in your line of sight when you are driving? it doesn't look like they would be distracting from the photos.

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Hey J, got 2 words for you... Dash mat. Your ears will thank you. I meant to mention that while we were on the phone yesterday and it totally slipped my mind.

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Something I'll have test out and consider going forward. I'm having a little fun with auto TA & auto EQ - just to how good / bad the Pioneer does. I did it last night using my xover points and slopes, now I'm letting the deck choose them. The results last night was interesting - not terrible.

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bmw... high end gear... pillars...

my cup 'o tea!

very nice, bro!

didn't realize you were also using the ib3. what size did you get? (i know, i know...read the thread! hah)

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my cup 'o tea!

very nice, bro!

didn't realize you were also using the ib3. what size did you get? (i know, i know...read the thread! hah)
Thanks Ben!

Ok....ignorance here.....ib3 - sub right? (duh! )

It is a 12" SSA Icon / prototype FI / modded for IB / frankenstein sub that really is awesome - very natural sounding sub sound that blends extremely well with the mid bass drivers - can get loud, can play very tight, can do the finesse stuff very well.

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