I was told the same thing at a local Home Audio specialty shop that carries Marantz, RBH, etc. "Keep the lengths the same to avoid phasing/imaging issues." He also said to use the same awg wire for all speakers for the same issue.
Only exception would be if you have a 3 foot cable for one speaker and 13 miles for the other. then you may be able to hear a difference.
Even with 3 feet of cable to one speaker and 13 miles of cable to the other, the difference would be less than 70 microseconds. You might do something to your crossover frequency having a coil that size in series with your speaker, though. Not to mention loss of output due to volt drop.
I was told the same thing at a local Home Audio specialty shop that carries Marantz, RBH, etc. "Keep the lengths the same to avoid phasing/imaging issues." He also said to use the same awg wire for all speakers for the same issue.
I also remember reading "the HAT-dude" was using equal lengths for speakerwires in the Infiniti G35 project
I dunno, maybe for aesthetical reasons. Maybe he said in the article.. where was it now...
What next, is someone going to tell me that the sound waves generated by an 8" subwoofer are faster than those generated by a 15" subwoofer? Owait... that thread is over there ======>
2012 Subaru WRX - JL Audio C5-650s run active off a Lunar L450; Digital Designs 1508 powered by a Lunar L1500; Pioneer DEH-80PRS as the source unit.
I only had some tiny doubts about things like ... lets say.... differences in the load that the amplifier experiences in outputchannels or similar. Causing differences in sound. But f it.
There sure are some crazy things people do to "optimise" ...
Even with 3 feet of cable to one speaker and 13 miles of cable to the other, the difference would be less than 70 microseconds. You might do something to your crossover frequency having a coil that size in series with your speaker, though. Not to mention loss of output due to volt drop.
I have a shitload of those in my barn, Andy W. and I are going to start a biz selling them, I'll sell those, he has his eyes on selling pizza. Don't see how we can go wrong.
I have a shitload of those in my barn, Andy W. and I are going to start a biz selling them, I'll sell those, he has his eyes on selling pizza. Don't see how we can go wrong.
There can not possibly be wrong in selling wiring accessories and pizza.. Ever. Like selling firearms and ice cream.
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This is so stupid. I just can't believe it. Why on earth are they using the standard power cable? And running it so close to the speaker cables? AND NO MAGIC CRYSTALS ON ANY OF THOSE CABLES?!?!? I just hope he has a travel alarm clock somewhere in that listening room...
I also remember reading "the HAT-dude" was using equal lengths for speakerwires in the Infiniti G35 project
I dunno, maybe for aesthetical reasons. Maybe he said in the article.. where was it now...
If he was competing, it could be to try to maximize points for "attention to detail".
Had an argument with someone on another forum about this exact issue. He refused to accept the theory of the physics involved as an explanation so it got to the point I had to actually measure the differences for varying lengths of cable to prove there was no audible difference....after that he stopped arguing
Yes, and naturally-occurring cone materials (wood, paper, even seaweed) are much better for reproducing acoustic sounds.
Isaac Newton said: "'Tis the temper of the hot and superstitious part of mankind in matters of religion ever to be fond of mysteries and for that reason to like best what they understand least."
99.9% of the time I hear the phrase "phase issues" I know one of these religions discussions is coming.
I spoke to my freind who is used to setting up 100k+ home audio systems. He said the only time it 'might' matter is if your running long lines of cables, referring to Pro Audio, gig set ups in concert halls etc. Although some SQ person might be concerned about milliseconds, i'd question if having a 3 meter cable for the left and 4.5 meter cable would make any audible difference.
I spoke to my freind who is used to setting up 100k+ home audio systems. He said the only time it 'might' matter is if your running long lines of cables, referring to Pro Audio, gig set ups in concert halls etc. Although some SQ person might be concerned about milliseconds, i'd question if having a 3 meter cable for the left and 4.5 meter cable would make any audible difference.
It's not a matter of milliseconds. Electrical signals travel 300 kilometers in one millisecond. It's more like nanoseconds.
It's not a matter of milliseconds. Electrical signals travel 300 kilometers in one millisecond. It's more like nanoseconds.
I think there's a lot of bull when it comes to audio in general and so its not unusual that the same thinking is in car audio as well. Myths, misinformation and old wives tales are perpetuated at a rapid rate thanks in-part to the internet .. the 'mis-information' super highway.
I neglected to say that on my friend last install which i was present at) £180,000 install in a rather nice establishment, with £30,000 of that ging on cables. So my friend replaced an £X,XXX rcacable with a £100 cable and asked the owner to identify which was which. could the customer tell the difference? could he heck!
I'm not here to dispute anyone's hearing or listening preferences, but i was always taught to listen with your ears not your eyes.
When my friend won first place in a local SQ competition my first thoughts were; do the judges have hearing impairments? My Morel Tempo 6's on an old skool pioneer amp sounds far better than his multiple speaker and tweeter arrangements. To me his car was an SQ enthusiasts nightmare.
I've been contacted by someone who is competing with a very prestigious brand, with a possibly of me helping them with their system in a very minor capacity. Now I've no interest in competing, but i am interested in SQ.
My only concern was a comment made, (paraphrasing) the team member used the phrase; the trend is!
I don't mean to cast a shadow on such competitions, or the people involved, however, I'm not sure what'trends' the fashion is now. Tweet-less set ups? back to kick panels installs? I still loved it when I floor mounted my Tempo's. I've heard this comment about trends on more than one occasion. It make me nervous about the whole process.
I also feel nervous, because this team wants to (in the words of my contact) "go against the trend" does this mean that regardless of how good the system is set up, if it doesn't follow some innovative idea, that a place on the podium is unlikely?
In home audio, I always noticed that there were two groups of people. Group A would listen with their eyes, group B would listen with their ears (for now i won't expand on that). I wonder which group people in car audio fall into?
Cable - Realistically, one side is going to have what ...,. 1, maybe 1.5 meter of extra cable at the most? I think there are many factors in a speaker sounding good or bad, including the quality of cable (but not at £1,000 per metre). As to the length of 1.5 metres difference, unless the people who claim that they can hear a difference are descendants from the planet Krypton, I would say; such differences are inaudible.
The only real Audio comparison test that i did that no one got, was with my Senneihser HD650 headphones, Ray Samuels Hornet 'N' headphone amp, Cardas mini to mini cable. I asked 5 sound engineers 2 students, 3 professionals to spot the difference with varying bit rate of music. Not one identified them correctly, 128, 237 and 320 ... not one!
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