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thats kinda what im saying. we need to get him certified so we have the best results possible


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thats kinda what im saying. we need to get him certified so we have the best results possible


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I find it interesting that not one person commented on the 4 videos themselves.

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I went on YouTube to audition subwoofers and the all sounded awful. I still bought the one I was looking for. The videos did nothing to influence my opinion because listening to a Speaker recorded on a phone or camera and then played through a MacBooks "amazing" DAC means nothing.
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I find it interesting that not one person commented on the 4 videos themselves.
because theres no point..


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In all honesty...I like HRA and his continued good will towards the community. I definitely don't agree but I hate to bag on such a nice guy.

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OK so I did listen to all four videos, 3 times, from three separate sources. My laptop, my headphones connected to my laptop. Headphones obviously sounded the best so on the third pass I connected same headphones to my cell phone.

All four videos sounded different on the first pass. I will not comment on what I heard except that it seems to me that video #3 sounded the best in all three passes.

The headphones connected to the laptop sounded best on all four songs. I noticed some minute pops here and there and noted the times in the recordings and found that they were not there in all of my listening scenario's which tells me the ability to determine sound quality of any of those speaker/amp combo's.

The cell phone was generally the poorest sounding of them, I suspect because it is wireless and my Laptop is High speed.

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All four videos sounded different on the first pass. I will not comment on what I heard except that it seems to me that video #3 sounded the best in all three passes.
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now heres something that gerald doesnt get.. those speakers are placed in different locations than the ones in the other videos, as well as the recording device. that alone completely invalidates it from the rest


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As mentioned, different recordings, different Speaker set ups, mike positioning etc, unless all were recorded in the same studio by the same engineer, even then, it is just not not a good a idea.



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4. A bit far, but better than all, the cello is barried deep in the stage, the best of them.
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now heres something that gerald doesnt get.. those speakers are placed in different locations than the ones in the other videos, as well as the recording device. that alone completely invalidates it from the rest
And this is what I think I was hearing, not to mention, for me I would like to hear the same song, same Speaker placement, and same recording location.

I did notice the sound stage was best in in video #2 it sounded soo much wider

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You can never get a total idea of the actual sound because you arent listening to the actual speakers but if you have an excellent Headphone/Dac amp combo listen to some of the Kenrick youtubes- of JBL and others playing music and you can definitely get a sense of the different speakers attributes as well as the Kenrick demo rooms character. After a while you will even begin to tell some of the customers homes characters as you know the speakers themselves well from KEnricks
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I did notice the sound stage was best in in video #2 it sounded soo much wider

and again.. different songs = different stages. 100% invalid


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and again.. different songs = different stages. 100% invalid
No way Man!!! I can hear it! In fact I am going to but a set of those speakers, they are so good, they sound great over a Youtube video!!!!

Just pulling your chain Nick, the only stage one could hear would be on the final listening equipment.

So the thread title is completely inaccurate, Should be "here are some pretty good quality Youtube recordings"

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I find it interesting that not one person commented on the 4 videos themselves.
I find it interesting that I pointed out all the real issues/differences with the videos and you won't acknowledge what I pointed out. I pointed out all facts.

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I agree and I don't want people to think the point of this is to attack HRA. At least he loves audio.....and it shows. I really don't care how he spends his time. I just wish he would stop stating this stuff as fact. We all know it is bullshit, but others don't.

IDK, maybe this idea has some merit. Maybe I should set up videos of speakers that I sell so if a customer is in another state or just curious about a brand, they can click on a link and play a video to demo them to just get a basic idea what they sound like, especially if there isn't a dealer of the brand for hundreds of miles. Will this tell them anything about what they will sound like in a car......hell no, but neither does a sound board at a shop. This wouldn't be a whole lot different and possibly better in some ways. Maybe add an on-axis and off-axis response of the set with a demo at 2 volume levels or something. Thoughts?

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Agreed that HRA is a nice guy and an audio fanatic. He has some fixed but fallacious opinions, he often ignores logic and reason, but at least he doesn't brag about his $4K amps and $7K speakers and $13K cables....and just for that I don't like to bag on him.....well most of the time.

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IDK, maybe this idea has some merit. Maybe I should set up videos of speakers that I sell so if a customer is in another state or just curious about a brand, they can click on a link and play a video to demo them to just get a basic idea what they sound like, especially if there isn't a dealer of the brand for hundreds of miles. Will this tell them anything about what they will sound like in a car......hell no, but neither does a sound board at a shop. This wouldn't be a whole lot different and possibly better in some ways. Maybe add an on-axis and off-axis response of the set with a demo at 2 volume levels or something. Thoughts?
Just as a teaser, make a couple of vids and put them on your website, see how many hits you get. I find that in general, folks with more $$ are more gullible than those with less.

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Just as a teaser, make a couple of vids and put them on your website, see how many hits you get. I find that in general, folks with more $$ are more gullible than those with less.
I just might try this. Who knows.

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Just to clarify newer Apple and other more expensive earbuds were used when listening to the YouTube videos
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Just to clarify newer Apple and other more expensive earbuds were used when listening to the YouTube videos
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doesnt really matter what you use. the videos mean nothing either way
I definitely did not hear any 3 dimensional stage,

Just different speakers at different distances, and different tracks, either far or close

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i took a video of the hi res sony prius, and it actually sounded better in the video than in person. lol

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OK so I did listen to all four videos, 3 times, from three separate sources. My laptop, my headphones connected to my laptop. Headphones obviously sounded the best so on the third pass I connected same headphones to my cell phone.

All four videos sounded different on the first pass. I will not comment on what I heard except that it seems to me that video #3 sounded the best in all three passes.

The headphones connected to the laptop sounded best on all four songs. I noticed some minute pops here and there and noted the times in the recordings and found that they were not there in all of my listening scenario's which tells me the ability to determine sound quality of any of those speaker/amp combo's.

The cell phone was generally the poorest sounding of them, I suspect because it is wireless and my Laptop is High speed.

I will never get the past hour of my life back. I feel foolish for even giving this a chance.


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Thanks for taking the time to actually do a real comparison and post your opinion.

I agree with you 100% that the speakers in video C third video stand out from all the rest.

To me, I hear clarity, lack of muddiness in the bass region, and a huge sound stage.

They just sound natural and transparent as if there were no speakers, but musicians playing.

I'm sorry if it really took a whole hour. My fiancee' and I were both able to notice the difference almost immediately.

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