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Yes, however it is not set up tapped horns (which right now is piquing my interest).
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Default Re: Horn loaded subwoofer enclosures

You should be able to do tapped horns with it, that is according to the guys on diyaudio.
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I'll take a look but from what I understand HornResp for a tapped horn it is more of a more high level approximation.


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Yes, it looks bad for the tapped horn, but hornresp is not simulating the full story. A tapped horn such as this is a 1/4 wave horn at 18 Hz which is what hornresp shows, but at the same time it is a 1/2 wave horn at 36 Hz. This is what hornresp doesn't show. With the correct driver, the result is that the response is flat and the dips are filled in.
I think that you can do a two pass approach (1/4 wave and 1/2 wave freqs) and get pretty close.
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Hi.

Recently found this place, and stumbled upon this discussion - something I might be able to contribute a bit to.

The current version (17) of McBean's Hornresp will model tapped horn enclosures effectively. It is a bit fiddly, but it can be done. It is relatively accurate based on what I've done so far.

Hornresp is also effective at modeling the long-path horns like Bill F. designs, as well as just about anything else that can be horn loaded.

Tapped horns can be folded, just like any bass horn. It all depends on the shape of the enclosure you're after. When built like Cowan's are, tapped horns are a stupid easy build, anything folded gets complicated quickly.
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Hi.

Recently found this place, and stumbled upon this discussion - something I might be able to contribute a bit to.

The current version (17) of McBean's Hornresp will model tapped horn enclosures effectively. It is a bit fiddly, but it can be done. It is relatively accurate based on what I've done so far.

Hornresp is also effective at modeling the long-path horns like Bill F. designs, as well as just about anything else that can be horn loaded.

Tapped horns can be folded, just like any bass horn. It all depends on the shape of the enclosure you're after. When built like Cowan's are, tapped horns are a stupid easy build, anything folded gets complicated quickly.
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Default Re: Horn loaded subwoofer enclosures

Smaller Acoustic Load Angles
In horn type loudspeakers the acoustic radiation from the horn driver is funneled into an even smaller solid angle than "eighth space" and achieves increased power output as a result of the horn load. The smaller solid angles constitute a "stiffer" acoustic load and draws more power from the source analogous to the way that a lower impedance speaker draws more power from the amplifier driving it. Indeed, horns have been likened to "acoustic transformers" for the way that they can be used to match the impedance of the driving source to the impedance of the load to effect maximum power transfer.
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It might play to 18, but there is no way it is horn loaded to 18...down that low she's either acting as a bandpass or blowing straight through and is acting as a sealed box.

An 18 hertz horn is going to be in the magnitude of 20+ cubic feet.
That's all?

What about that humongous horn loaded setup I sent you in that link? The one that's a tunnel in his own house!

And it's only tuned to 30 hertz!

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Ooops, I don't have v17. It looks like time to update, I'm on v14. Thanks for the tip.
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Default Re: Horn loaded subwoofer enclosures

You have to remember how long a 30 hertz wave is...and the fact those are full sized horns. Most home horns are designed to be placed near a wall or a corner and use that as an extension of the mouth, and if you go that route, you can make the horn say 3/16 or a 1/4 size of normal. Horns placed in free space need to really be full sized since they don't benefit from barrier loading.

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That's all?

What about that humongous horn loaded setup I sent you in that link? The one that's a tunnel in his own house!

And it's only tuned to 30 hertz!

I don't understand.
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Just a random side note...

I was humming along this afternoon and realized the best possible example of a horn are our voices. Pretty damn perfect example I would think...

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No, not really.
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well, horns basic (only?) function is to couple the speaker to the air... right?

Wouldn't our throats and mouth do the exact same thing?

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No, that's not the only function of a horn.

A horn provides increased efficiency and pattern control- it amplifies the work done by the driver.

I don't think your mouth and throat provide any amplification. Considering how small the mouth is and how short your throat is, it wouldn't load the vocal chords below 1k or so.
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well yes, but the coupling of the driver to the air, is the reason for the efficiency increase...

So Wouldn't having the human vocal chords acting on a reduced air volume, have the same basic advantages?

I doubt you could get the same volume of the vocal chords external to the human body...

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Above the loading frequency, it would act as a horn...but below that, which is most of our vocal range it wouldn't load.
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Above the loading frequency, it would act as a horn...but below that, which is most of our vocal range it wouldn't load.
Ahhhhh... good explanation.. thanks

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Above the loading frequency, it would act as a horn...but below that, which is most of our vocal range it wouldn't load.
Must be why a girl's scream hurts sooo Effing bad!
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I wonder if there is a correlation between those loading frequencies of the vocal chords and the Fletcher-Munson curve?
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I wonder if there is a correlation between those loading frequencies of the vocal chords and the Fletcher-Munson curve?
Absolutely!

I took the boy roller skating last weekend and there was a group of girls that would scream in unison as one would fall, we are talking like an "at a boy-band concert" scream.

It would make you dizzy it was so horrible, and THEN there was the beat frequency that felt like someone was pounding your head with a tack hammer.

I wanted to hockey-check them.

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Well they skated in a line broad side, they were amateurs, I was on hockey Rollerblades, It was "know WTF you are doing" skate time, and felt like it. It would have been like a 20MPH 200Lb bowling ball. hammer them all in a line going around a corner, never would have known what hit them.....
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Well they skated in a line broad side, they were amateurs, I was on hockey Rollerblades, It was "know WTF you are doing" skate time, and felt like it. It would have been like a 20MPH 200Lb bowling ball. hammer them all in a line going around a corner, never would have known what hit them.....
Awesome... I got some hockey skates too but mine are quads... Didn't knew you could skate too... what can't you do?

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Awesome... I got some hockey skates too but mine are quads... Didn't knew you could skate too... what can't you do?
It's a guilty pleasure

Hadn't done it in a LONG time then we took the boy a few times, he got the hang of it, it's getting me in shape, so we go about every week now They have a Wednesday night skate and it's nice to go get some stress out. Saturday mornings it's nice to go because it will knock a slight hangover RIGHT OUT!

My wife is damn good, she can stil do all the old-skool stuff, it's a riot watching a MILF go out there and just throw down.

I had my first epic spill last Saturday after aging, I had no idea a 200Lb man could stay airborne for so long, lest I forget weight has no effect on rate of fall but only energy upon meeting the ground... and that little thing called inertia, ouch

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