Audison Bit One (Hi-res: 56k, Go make some coffee and take a nap)

[It_Hertz]

The reason the Bit one is so hard to come by right now is because they recalled them to do some firmware updates. They will be shipping out again shortly. they retail for 800.00 (this is MAP)

Also be aware that most shops will not be selling these out the door as it is required by Audison that for shops to even be able to offer the Bit one we must have an o-scope, RTA and Laptop on site. If your local shop does not have these 3 items you may not be able to order one form them, other shops will not let them out the door simply because you need these tools to properly set up the Bit One.

[quality_sound]

Originally Posted by It_Hertz

simply because you need these tools to properly set up the Bit One.

no you don't.

[t3sn4f2]

Originally Posted by It_Hertz

The reason the Bit one is so hard to come by right now is because they recalled them to do some firmware updates. They will be shipping out again shortly. they retail for 800.00 (this is MAP)

Also be aware that most shops will not be selling these out the door as it is required by Audison that for shops to even be able to offer the Bit one we must have an o-scope, RTA and Laptop on site. If your local shop does not have these 3 items you may not be able to order one form them, other shops will not let them out the door simply because you need these tools to properly set up the Bit One.

They are retarded for doing that.

[Babs]

Taking care of their dealers... They intend for it to be a pro install vs diy, as they also intend for full-boat msrp vs the market driven street price. Nothing unusual.

[bikinpunk]

Originally Posted by It_Hertz

The reason the Bit one is so hard to come by right now is because they recalled them to do some firmware updates.

I wonder why they just don’t let the shops do this? Since it seems the shops have so much knowledge (they have RTAs and o-scopes, remember), does it not make sense to assume they can easily do a firmware update?

It literally took me 15 minutes from the time I started the process (remove old software, add new software, go outside to car and add firmware, go through setup again, listen to music) to the time I was finished. The instructions are laid out pretty simply and if you follow them, you shouldn’t have an issue.

I loaded up the new firmware via the software, went inside to get a drink and pet my dogs, came back out and it was done. And that was the hardest part (according to the manual).

I just see some irony in this.

*still loves his bit one*

*hopes this statement doesn’t bite him in the butt when new firmware comes out in a few months*

[denali804]

It is very simple to do the software/firmware/drc update. Took about 20 minutes. No need for a trip back to dealer. Also this unit seems alot cleaner then the rf 360.2 that it replaced.

[tspence73]

I have a question. The Bit One from what I can see is a lot like the DQS and other type EQs already available with time alignment that is built into many HU's already. There seems to be no automated RTA analysis/adjustment, ie, like the alpine units have. So, I'm not seeing the huge advantages this unit is supposed to be giving. It would be MUCH better if it had built-in RTA, built-in auto tuning and a mic. Maybe it has these things and I'm just not seeing it in the manual available online?

[Megalomaniac]

what?

[tspence73]

Originally Posted by Megalomaniac

what?

It's no wonder you can't hear me when you've been blasting a horn tweeter from your A-pillar.

[quality_sound]

What makes you think OEM systems have T/A built in?

[tspence73]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

What makes you think OEM systems have T/A built in?

OEM's no, but I could have sworn some alpine decks are available with time alignment.

[t3sn4f2]

Originally Posted by tspence73

I have a question. The Bit One from what I can see is a lot like the DQS and other type EQs already available with time alignment that is built into many HU's already. There seems to be no automated RTA analysis/adjustment, ie, like the alpine units have. So, I'm not seeing the huge advantages this unit is supposed to be giving. It would be MUCH better if it had built-in RTA, built-in auto tuning and a mic. Maybe it has these things and I'm just not seeing it in the manual available online?

Let's keep it simple, show me a 4 way processor with all the useful features this has, then we can talk about it maybe not being worth it.

[quality_sound]

Originally Posted by tspence73

OEM's no, but I could have sworn some alpine decks are available with time alignment.

Not without the 701.

Originally Posted by t3sn4f2

Let's keep it simple, show me a 4 way processor with all the useful features this has, then we can talk about it maybe not being worth it.

Exactly. The 701 and the Bit One are it, unfortunately. One with noise issues and one with, apparently, massive hardware and firmware issues. I need a DSP8 with a GEQ.

[RMA]

Gee so much BS information.

Bit One was not held back for reasons of firm-ware, Australia has had stock for a couple of months and when there is an up grade the dealers can make the upgrade through supplied software. Our second shipment of units left by sea freight about 6 weeks ago and arrives next week.

Delay reasons were mainly production could not keep pace.

Dealers here who have used Bit One and alpine swear that Bit One is cleaner and better.

It is certainly a product that should NOT be over the counter sales, a dealer is best equipped to sell and install these.

As far as only selling to dealers with the long list of equipment you stated, well that may be a USA thing but it ain't here and I have yet to hear from Larry Penn or Larry Fredericks that is is so in the USA.

[ARCuhTEK]

Makes me wish the JBL MS8 would finally get released (maybe it never will?) for those of us who do not want to RTA and scope a system to death.... Quality sound for the person who appreciates it, but does not necessarily need it to competitions and being critiqued to death by others...

Oh well.

I still like the Bit One....so for now...Bit One it is...

[quality_sound]

Originally Posted by RMA

Gee so much BS information.

Bit One was not held back for reasons of firm-ware, Australia has had stock for a couple of months and when there is an up grade the dealers can make the upgrade through supplied software. Our second shipment of units left by sea freight about 6 weeks ago and arrives next week.

Delay reasons were mainly production could not keep pace.

Contrary to the information coming out of CES...

Dealers here who have used Bit One and alpine swear that Bit One is cleaner and better.

No one's debating this...just that the product has issues.

It is certainly a product that should NOT be over the counter sales, a dealer is best equipped to sell and install these.

Oh for fuck's sake. Most of the dealer monkeys are so much less equipped to install, let alone tune, one of these than almost every member here it's not even funny. And I guarantee you there aren't going to be many, if any, people that can't tune buying these OTC. Joe Blow off the street isn't looking to come in and do a 4-way, fully active, setup. The only one manufacturers are hurting with stupid ass policies like this is themselves.

As far as only selling to dealers with the long list of equipment you stated, well that may be a USA thing but it ain't here and I have yet to hear from Larry Penn or Larry Fredericks that is is so in the USA.

Well if that's what reps are telling shops they have to be getting the direction from somewhere.

[denali804]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

Contrary to the information coming out of CES...



No one's debating this...just that the product has issues.



Oh for fuck's sake. Most of the dealer monkeys are so much less equipped to install, let alone tune, one of these than almost every member here it's not even funny. And I guarantee you there aren't going to be many, if any, people that can't tune buying these OTC. Joe Blow off the street isn't looking to come in and do a 4-way, fully active, setup. The only one manufacturers are hurting with stupid ass policies like this is themselves.



Well if that's what reps are telling shops they have to be getting the direction from somewhere.

Exactly what issues are people having with the bitone? I've had mine for about a month I guess and no problems at all. I upgraded firmware/software/drc because i wanted to be running the latest software and firmware. Almost anything that you buy electronic these days have the ability to have the firmware flashed. I think thats good and bad for the consumer. I think that its good because if theirs a problem then it can be corrected and you don't have to have downtime. The downside that I see is that sometimes the debugging process starts once the product is released to the masses. Most manufacturers want the products out there selling and sometimes rush and overlook things. I wished that rockford fosgate would have come out with some updates on the 3sixty.2 unit that I had to address some of those issues.

[quality_sound]

MANY Bit Ones are locking up, shutting down, dumping settings, crashing altogether...it's not pretty.

[kyheng]

Looks like Bit1 is just like Microsoft products? Have to update once a while?

[RMA]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

MANY Bit Ones are locking up, shutting down, dumping settings, crashing altogether...it's not pretty.

Yes we had one dealer have that problem - he believed he could up date the firm ware without reading the instructions.

Bit one has been 99.99% reliable, any problems that they had on the "pre release" test units were fixed prior to the first release.

[tspence73]

Originally Posted by RMA

Dealers here who have used Bit One and Alpine swear that Bit One is cleaner and better.

Is this backed by a blind test for confirmation of this audible difference? If no, then it's marketing BS.

It is certainly a product that should NOT be over the counter sales, a dealer is best equipped to sell and install these.

It CAN'T be OTA. It doesn't have built-in RTA and automated adjustment. The Alpine unit can accomplish tuning better because of this. The Alpine unit is more advanced and more convenient. If you like to tune things by hand, the Bit One is no different than using an Alpine deck from 2 generations ago (and yes they had time alignment) along with an Audio Control EQ.

I don't see the Audison as anything new. It's trying to boast advanced technology without any of the best reasons to buy a modern processor (ie, auto-tuning, built-in RTA).

[t3sn4f2]

Originally Posted by tspence73

Is this backed by a blind test for confirmation of this audible difference? If no, then it's marketing BS.



It CAN'T be OTA. It doesn't have built-in RTA and automated adjustment. The Alpine unit can accomplish tuning better because of this. The Alpine unit is more advanced and more convenient. If you like to tune things by hand, the Bit One is no different than using an Alpine deck from 2 generations ago (and yes they had time alignment) along with an Audio Control EQ.

I don't see the Audison as anything new. It's trying to boast advanced technology without any of the best reasons to buy a modern processor (ie, auto-tuning, built-in RTA).

Sounds to me they are charging you exactly for what you get. Try putting together a package that offers everything the bit one does and you'll end up paying more and having to deal with several devices instead of just one integrated package.

[Babs]

Originally Posted by ARCuhTEK

Makes me wish the JBL MS8 would finally get released (maybe it never will?) for those of us who do not want to RTA and scope a system to death.... Quality sound for the person who appreciates it, but does not necessarily need it to competitions and being critiqued to death by others...

Oh well.

I still like the Bit One....so for now...Bit One it is...

The mythical MS-8.. Yeah it'd be nice if they'd actually finally release the thing.. Don't hold your breath though.

Makes me think.. (careful.. stand back.. dangerous when this occurs).

The PXE (that everyone waited on for like freakin' ever) is out and about and available as can be. I personally would have to hear it for myself before I ruled it out..

Doe's the PXE-H650 just suck or something? SQ issues? Noise issues? Imprint issues? What gives? It looks functionally like a great integration processor, if you can live without digital inputs and just tapping into oem and ipod aux.

[Babs]

Crashing!!!???!!!??? See, that's why I say screw it to all this auto-tuning crap altogether.. Just plain manual from scratch on my own controls.. Dang it. Oh Lord, I'm becoming an audiocontrol fan! Plain ole' Analog FTW!!

[tspence73]

Originally Posted by t3sn4f2

Sounds to me they are charging you exactly for what you get. Try putting together a package that offers everything the bit one does and you'll end up paying more and having to deal with several devices instead of just one integrated package.

I'm not saying it's a bad product. I just don't see the need for it. I could buy a used Alpine 9886 for a couple hundred and a used DQS for like $250 and get the same features. The GUI on the Audison is nice fluff, but it's fluff. I'm in the market for a processor at some point in the future and the Bit One needs to offer a step up to get my money. If you like to tune by hand, and have an RTA/mic, then this will be a good unit.