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Don't think you'll see many if any door mounted subwoofers.
Most hard core DIYers have a hard time getting rid of rattles with 8" midbasses... so a subwoofer IB in the door?

Try to search for an install with 8" Phase Linear Aliante
It's the only install I know that uses a subwoofer in the door HOWEVER they are not IB but sealed...

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X2! I had been asking about this same thing but the state my doors were in (prior to melt down) made them very capable for this setup..... I was actually in the process of building sealed pods for them to slide into the door from the outside of the door panel (about 7"s deep and 9"s around) and was then going to add a set of eton 3" drivers with some scan tweets
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I want to now wich of these setups will have more outpout:

2 x swr-823d in a vented box
1 swr-1243d vented


the amp is an old Alpine V12 MRD-M605 (600 watts @ 2 ohm) the 823d will be underpowered by 50 watt each and the 12 will be powered 100%

i have a cda-9855 HU and one MRV-F545 4 channel amp, maybe i will go for the new Type-R Spr-60c and the Spr-69 for the rear, to make complete Alpine System.
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I want to now wich of these setups will have more outpout:

2 x swr-823d in a vented box
1 swr-1243d vented


the amp is an old Alpine V12 MRD-M605 (600 watts @ 2 ohm) the 823d will be underpowered by 50 watt each and the 12 will be powered 100%

i have a cda-9855 HU and one MRV-F545 4 channel amp, maybe i will go for the new Type-R Spr-60c and the Spr-69 for the rear, to make complete Alpine System.
@600W, output is a toss up on paper, but I'd say the 12 would take it, while the SQ edge goes to the 8s for sure. As you add more power, the 12 will absolutely crush them in output.

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X2! I had been asking about this same thing but the state my doors were in (prior to melt down) made them very capable for this setup..... I was actually in the process of building sealed pods for them to slide into the door from the outside of the door panel (about 7"s deep and 9"s around) and was then going to add a set of eton 3" drivers with some scan tweets
Now I am looking at a restored jeep renegade and am trying to figure out how to implement them in kicks and still go three way or kicks as sub enclosures? I dont know....having a hard time shopping for a new vehicle?
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Good luck getting space in a Jeep, my test bed is a old Cherokee and there is NO space for 8s up front without putting a box through the floor (something I'm still seriously considering).

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Don't think you'll see many if any door mounted subwoofers.
Most hard core DIYers have a hard time getting rid of rattles with 8" midbasses... so a subwoofer IB in the door?

Try to search for an install with 8" Phase Linear Aliante
It's the only install I know that uses a subwoofer in the door HOWEVER they are not IB but sealed...

Kelvin
Ya i know rattles are a pain, but it wouldn't hurt to try before i go the full kick panel route. Do you have any tips for sealing the chamber in the door behind the woofer? My door doesn't really come apart besides the plastic panel.

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Don't seal the door, instead mount a small sealed box ON the door and Build out/up to it to trim it in. Two of our guys here have done this (08 Tundra and Tacoma) and it's awesome. The boxes in the tundra are under 0.25 I believe. As a midbass, 50hz and up that is just fine.

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Don't seal the door, instead mount a small sealed box ON the door and Build out/up to it to trim it in. Two of our guys here have done this (08 Tundra and Tacoma) and it's awesome. The boxes in the tundra are under 0.25 I believe. As a midbass, 50hz and up that is just fine.
This is exactly what I was refering to. Its what I was building for my doors in my truck prior to meltdown
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Don't seal the door, instead mount a small sealed box ON the door and Build out/up to it to trim it in. Two of our guys here have done this (08 Tundra and Tacoma) and it's awesome. The boxes in the tundra are under 0.25 I believe. As a midbass, 50hz and up that is just fine.
Do you know where I can find pics on this?

Also do you know how much Power the PDX-F4 produces at 8ohms when bridged? Would it be just half the 200x2? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it to go stereo for the 8's if i have time alignment capabilities for them. I appreciate the response Jim.

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Do you know where I can find pics on this?

Also do you know how much Power the PDX-F4 produces at 8ohms when bridged? Would it be just half the 200x2? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it to go stereo for the 8's if i have time alignment capabilities for them. I appreciate the response Jim.
If you don't already have the woofers, get the 823D and series each one to be a 4ohm load for your amp. I don't think the 8ohms is 1/2, but I don't know the real number.

I'll snap some pics at work tomorrow for you of those trucks.

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If you don't already have the woofers, get the 823D and series each one to be a 4ohm load for your amp. I don't think the 8ohms is 1/2, but I don't know the real number.

I'll snap some pics at work tomorrow for you of those trucks.
thanks a lot i really appreciate the support! only problem is i already have a 843D but i guess i could try to sell it if i can fetch some 823d's.

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Nah, keep the D4's and run them at 2. The F4 at 2Ohms is still going to be cleaner than any other amplifier you can buy this side of some hyper-powered, high dollar A/B amp.

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Nah, keep the D4's and run them at 2. The F4 at 2Ohms is still going to be cleaner than any other amplifier you can buy this side of some hyper-powered, high dollar A/B amp.
Is the F4 stable at 2 ohms bridged?

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Good catch! No, it is not. *stupid*

Run it in stereo .. 4ohms to all 4 coils ... it'll give you >100W/coil and will do just fine.

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Don't seal the door, instead mount a small sealed box ON the door and Build out/up to it to trim it in. Two of our guys here have done this (08 Tundra and Tacoma) and it's awesome. The boxes in the tundra are under 0.25 I believe. As a midbass, 50hz and up that is just fine.
I'd love to see pics of this as well because I have an 08 tundra and would love to try and put these in my doors
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Here's those pics of the Tundra.

Not trimmed in yet though, so no finished pics.









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Out of curiosity, what did you use for the putty to seal the pieces together?
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looks like duraglass. probably wood glue between the edges too.

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Duraglass and CA ... oops, the secret is out!

In all seriousness, it works great ... just jigsaw puzzle the box together with CA and duraglass it sealed, crazy strong and very workable. Not the cheapest, but neither are mat and resin.

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Duraglass and CA is an old Steve Brown technique. I swear he has been making boxes like that since the early 90s.
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Cyanoacrylate. it's super glue.

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Duraglass and CA is an old Steve Brown technique. I swear he has been making boxes like that since the early 90s.
.. and he still makes em like that today, these are from his truck

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I remember reading about him making dash kits in the early 90s in a tutorial in Auto Sound and Security....but I lost that knowledge for about a decade later until I started installing professionally.

I have the Build log for his M3 and the Civic...done that way in there. I was always curious about how well such enclosures would hold up over time. I was scared to do something like that for a customer...but may have to try it out when I have to redo my center channel.
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