HAT 6.5" sub. who's used?

tlow98 · 04-19-2011

Imagine I6SW 6.5" subwoofer - 12v Electronics

who's already bought and used one of these? I'm hoping the 8 and 10" versions come out soon....6.5" looks Ok, I just really don't have a use for it at this time.

anyone out there in TV land? They don't even have a users manual on their site yet. Well, last time i checked, anyway.

EDIT: white paper (user's manual) is below in Scott's post

azngotskills · 04-19-2011

to be honest it "looks" cheap...like a PE

buyout driver

for $160

I am sure you can find comparable performance for cheaper or better performance for the same price....the Exodus Anarchy, Peerless SLS, or TB come to mind

tlow98 · 04-19-2011

I can understand that, I'm more interested in it's performance bc HAT is walking into an incredibly crowded/competition oriented crowd going into subs. I'd be interested to hear some listening thoughts/comparos, but yes it's incredibly new to the scene.

The imagine line was never meant to 'look' good. Maybe some of the ones you mentioned are better, but without listening who knows.

Just want to know how Hybrid's new 'entry' small sub is holding up against the others, especially the ones you mentioned which have a corner on the DIY

market.

azngotskills · 04-19-2011

that is the thing....performance results over marketing BS and "name"...well the way it used to be anyways

tlow98 · 04-19-2011

Indeed.

So where art thou, honest reviews?

BeatsDownLow · 04-19-2011

I cringe everytime I see a cheap stamped steel frame on a expensive driver

. I would have to agree with Mark on that one.

Scott Buwalda · 04-19-2011

Cheap? Hold it in your hand and tell me that. It is significantly overbuilt. It dwarfs the Ultra Subs offering. Most others in its class (6.5-inch woofers) look small and unimpressive. I don't see anything cheap about it.

The specification download is in fact on the website: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Imagine%20I6SW.pdf

The lack of reviews are because its a brand new product. Here are two that I found:

Buwalda Hybrids International Bulletin Board • View topic - I6SW
Buwalda Hybrids International Bulletin Board • View topic - I6SW Specification Sheet Now Active (starting third post down)

Scott Buwalda · 04-19-2011

Every 6.5-inch sub that I am aware of in this dealer cost and retail price range use stamped steel baskets. It has a 2-inch voice coil as compared to many others which use a 1.5-inch or 1.6-inch as well. Food for thought before the product is dismissed without actually seeing it or hearing it.

BeatsDownLow · 04-19-2011

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Originally Posted by Scott Buwalda

Every 6.5-inch sub that I am aware of in this dealer cost and retail price range use stamped steel baskets. It has a 2-inch voice coil as compared to many others which use a 1.5-inch or 1.6-inch as well. Food for thought before the product is dismissed without actually seeing it or hearing it.

Me personally, I dont like stamped steel baskets, or atleast cant justify them in higher priced drivers. But thats just me. I never stated anything about performance, but I do agree that other 6.5" subs out there would walk all over this one in sheer volume output, I also know thats prob not what you were going for. Dont know how it sounds, so I wont and cant comment on that. I also wouldnt use a 6.5" subwoofer myself, especially in a 16 liter enclosure when I could get more cone area to work in a box that size.

But what is really the point of reverse surrounds on drivers like these? I mean I know Kicker used them back in the day on their components, but I would think that if it was really a huge advantage over regular ones, surely other companies would use it, its not like its anything new.

tlow98 · 04-19-2011

oh, i certainly am not trying to bash or dismiss anything. I'm looking for reviews, and thank you for sending those links. The Imagine line is not meant to impress with shiny bits, and personally that's what i like about my Imagine 61 set. After installing them this past weekend I'd love to have an I10SW... i didn't want to mention my imagine set for bias' sake.

i'd call the Imagine line understated.

Also, thanks for posting your white paper, i'll amend my original post.

Also, IMO i could care less if the basket were made of peanut butter...if it sounded better than the rest I'd buy it everytime.

cobb2819 · 04-19-2011

I've heard great things about it considering it's a 6.5" sub!! Low frequency response is great, a pair of these is comparable to easily a great quality 10". Scott can correct me if i am wrong but I believe the motor is similar to most 10"s on the market. They are a great option for those looking to save space.

Now, before I get flamed for it, yes I'm a hybrid dealer. I have not used these personally, but I am looking forward to it when i can. I'm also an ultra dealer and I think these will be more impressive, so take that for whatever you want.

Jacob Brown
Owner / (hdme)
505.750.8358
Sent from my iPhone

BeatsDownLow · 04-19-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobb2819

I've heard great things about it considering it's a 6.5" sub!! Low frequency response is great, a pair of these is comparable to easily a great quality 10". Scott can correct me if i am wrong but I believe the motor is similar to most 10"s on the market. They are a great option for those looking to save space.

Now, before I get flamed for it, yes I'm a hybrid dealer. I have not used these personally, but I am looking forward to it when i can. I'm also an ultra dealer and I think these will be more impressive, so take that for whatever you want.

Jacob Brown
Owner / (hdme)
505.750.8358
Sent from my iPhone

The output wouldnt be equal to a 10" most likely. As a typical 6.5" driver has around 140 cm2 compared to about 330 cm2 for a 10" so the 10" would still have more cone area and would definitely have more excursion, so a 10" would be louder. Curious if there is a big market for a 6.5" sub out there, as you dont see many use them. I guess guys will be using them for some up front bass in the competitions.

tlow98 · 04-19-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeatsDownLow

The output wouldnt be equal to a 10" most likely. As a typical 6.5" driver has around 140 cm2 compared to about 330 cm2 for a 10" so the 10" would still have more cone area and would definitely have more excursion, so a 10" would be louder. Curious if there is a big market for a 6.5" sub out there, as you dont see many use them. I guess guys will be using them for some up front bass in the competitions.

I'm a relative noob and i know that, for a fact, such statements simply cannot be made. there are so many variables...ahhh nevermind, you seem quite stuck in your ways

edited as not to insult. i want this thread to be about results, not speculation

Scott Buwalda · 04-19-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobb2819

a pair of these

Quoted to clarify the post.

Scott Buwalda · 04-19-2011

Now to highlight "why" small subs are made.

Corvettes
Land Cruisers
Jeep Cherokee's
5th Gen Camaro's
Mommy Wagons

The list goes on...

BeatsDownLow · 04-19-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlow98

I'm a relative noob and i know that, for a fact, such statements simply cannot be made. there are so many variables...ahhh nevermind, you seem quite stuck in your ways

edited as not to insult. i want this thread to be about results, not speculation

When it comes to bass there is no replacement for displacement. Thats something you cant deny or refute. All things being equal, IE same type of enclosure (sealed or ported for both). I dont see them having more output. Not stuck in anyway. I will let you guys be and I hope you get the reviews you are looking for. But remember the basic I just posted about output, it always applies.

**SQ Stang** · 04-19-2011

The thing about the HAT 6.5, the Ultra 6.5 and even the DD 6.5 are that they aren't designed to blast your ears out. They are used more in the capacity of Sound Quality where you need to bring in the lower frequencies for a completion of the complete musical spectrum, not to overpower the other speakers.

That being said, Scott, you forgot about the BMW's that have them under the seats too.

**south east customz** · 04-19-2011

I've played with a set. They are pretty nice. Of course vented enclosure.
They wouldn't fit into the project I had intended (damn e70 BMW no depth)
The looks are deceiving they are stout and very high build quality. I've used a number of 6.5 subs btw.

In test boxes they do sound very good and IMO have output of a GOOD 10.

eggyhustles · 04-19-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobb2819

a pair of these is comparable to easily a great quality 10".

I have not used these

Oh...

cobb2819 · 04-19-2011

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Originally Posted by eggyhustles

Oh...

quote the whole statement...the parts that starts with "I've heard..." and ends with "...used these personally." does not mean i have not heard them, just means i have not installed them myself.

eggyhustles · 04-19-2011

So.... you're basing someone else's opinion as fact? hmm...

cobb2819 · 04-19-2011

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Originally Posted by eggyhustles

So.... you're basing someone else's opinion as fact? hmm...

i'm basing someone else's results as more fact than opinion.

tlow98 · 04-19-2011

well thanks to those that came with some facts and impressions. confirms what i have come to know of hat stuff. quality. an in depth comparo would be awesome, guess i'll have to wait for that.

haters, thanks as well.

Jsracing · 04-20-2011

No mention of sealed enclosures in the manual, so I'm assuming that's not recommended for this sub? I'm looking for a sub solution that takes minimal space. I was looking at the JL 6W3v3 but was concerned it would provide enough bass (I don't want to shake the car next to me, but do like the bass to hit hard on certain songs), so I'm mainly looking at 8" now, but wouldn't mind a 6.5" to save the space if it performs really well.

azngotskills · 04-20-2011

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Originally Posted by tlow98

well thanks to those that came with some facts and impressions. confirms what i have come to know of hat stuff. quality. an in depth comparo would be awesome, guess i'll have to wait for that.

haters, thanks as well.

nice for you to comment but there are facts presented in this thread for comparison I will use a few from the Exodus Ex-Anarchy ($85/ea) vs the HAT 6.5 ($159/ea)

cast vs steel basket?
XBL^2 motor vs standard motor?
Le: 0.84 mH vs Le not spec'ed?
Xmax: 12.5 mm one-way vs 7.75 mm?
$85/ea vs $159/ea
need more?

http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Imagine%20I6SW.pdf
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Honestly not bashing or hating on HAT products but there are better performance options for the money. Dont get bought into the "name" and SQ behind it with mediocre construction and performance