I know this form has a lot of members but given the cost of these amps....I am a bit suprised to see this many go up for sale.
I think us car audio fanatics are a sick bunch....true obsessive-compulsive disorder buyers and sellers. If an amp is making good power and is clean....why do we get rid of it? I guess there are many out there that are always searching for something better and many hear differences in amps.
Need to hear Mosconi for myself....just this year alone there have been many chances to buy a used one at a much lower cost than new.
happens with a lot of gear on here. for some reason some line or brand suddenly becomes popular for a while for no reason at all. about a year ago there were more pdx amps on here than ebay. same thing happened for a while for the alpine ring rad tweets. massive stuff was all the rage a few months ago but hardly any now. it's all cyclical.
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i think it just shows the popularity gained by the product. people here are always changing and swapping same reason why there is a lot of HAT gear for sale
as far as it being the bee's knees, i wouldn't put that label on anything at all...true they are my favorite line of amps, but i base that on my OWN PERSONAL expereince and preferences. from a performance, price, cosmetics, ease of installation and reliablity standpoint.
so perhaps a theory could be that becuase the rumor grows that they are the end all of all amps or something, people buy it thinking it would just magically solve all their issues and make their system sound awesome... and then realize no, that may not have done it, and then try something else that seems to be even more bee's knees
i say this because i myself was doing this a dozen years ago, i must have bought and sold 30k worth of high end gear over the course of a coupla years, and for a poor college students its a lot. and 99 percent of the gear i end up selling was just because i found the "newest bestest greatest coolest thing"
i think it just shows the popularity gained by the product. people here are always changing and swapping same reason why there is a lot of HAT gear for sale
as far as it being the bee's knees, i wouldn't put that label on anything at all...true they are my favorite line of amps, but i base that on my OWN PERSONAL expereince and preferences. from a performance, price, cosmetics, ease of installation and reliablity standpoint.
so perhaps a theory could be that becuase the rumor grows that they are the end all of all amps or something, people buy it thinking it would just magically solve all their issues and make their system sound awesome... and then realize no, that may not have done it, and then try something else that seems to be even more bee's knees
i say this because i myself was doing this a dozen years ago, i must have bought and sold 30k worth of high end gear over the course of a coupla years, and for a poor college students its a lot. and 99 percent of the gear i end up selling was just because i found the "newest bestest greatest coolest thing"
Maybe so, but going through all those components has tuned your ears and skills to a level that benefits all of us lucky enough to know you.
thats not exactly true Bret, most of the stuff i bought and sold just ended up sitting in my closet for the duration that i had them, while mulling over whats "ever better"
thats not exactly true Bret, most of the stuff i bought and sold just ended up sitting in my closet for the duration that i had them, while mulling over whats "ever better"
See, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE! To admit that means you are a true recovering addict...I am as well. I've built so many systems only to sell them off to start another. The last full system I installed just did not meet my expectations and I knew it would take a lot more work ifrom a install standpoint to get things to my likings......so I sold off the gear. Sick, man...just sick! But, I think you answered the question when you said that guys buy gear based on the hype....but when they get it in they realize that the same issues are still present...and it takes more then an expensive amp to solve them.
I am almost ready to start installing the next system....my gear is pretty much in place....yet I have been considering one of these Mosconi amps because the posts keep poping up. Sick, man, just sick! and one of those Mosconi AS 200.4 keeps calling my name.....disgusting!
A nice amp is a nice amp, but likely the audio component in the car that will make the least difference in your system.....assuming an amp you use is not total junk and is large enough to not clip much different than the last one.
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Maybe people have just forgotten to stop, and listen to the MUSIC.
I have still, my PG Ti's. They're good amps and yes, there are better amps out there.
At the end of the day though, I realize that greater improvements can be made to my system's performance through tweaking what I already have rather than buying into the thinking that new gear is the answer.
I went there years ago when I had easy and affordable access to high end home audio gear. I realized what was happening though and sold up and got out for a while and just relied on a very bare bones budget system.
It helped me ground myself again and learn again that it's really all about music at the end of the day.
Maybe people have just forgotten to stop, and listen to the MUSIC.....It helped me ground myself again and learn again that it's really all about music at the end of the day.
I think we can close the thread with that reply....very well said and is what it really is all about. No need for a twenty-five page threads about amps sounding different.
for me, going through hundreds and hundreds of amps, i kinda value things a bit differently than a typical person.
for me, the priorities are:
1. reliability and resistance to "issues": beyond the simple fact that it wont break, it also needs to run cool under hot and stuffy conditions, resistance to noise is exremely important, and just overall devoid of any type of issues that would cuase the amp to be returned and not used. in this aspect, the mosconis have been stellar. i was sold when i did them in a bmw 335 diesel. in late model bimmers, the car is EMI central, i have seen and experienced the car injecting noise DIRECTLY into an amp circuit board...and not junky amps but good overall amps. The diesel, as you know is even more noisy from an EMI standpoint. when that car was dead silent, i was convinced. reliablity has been stellar, with its active fan cooling, it runs pretty darn cool, good for my type of install.
2. how well am i supported by the manufacturer, is my rep good, are they ready and willing with any technical info? basically i want to feel that i am wanted by the company. for me its always a loyalty thing, if they are loyal to me, then i will do my damnest to be loyal to them. and in this aspect, ORCA and my rep has been endlessly helpful. this is also the reason that while i am technically a dealer for many many brands, you typically seem me use a handful for a vast majority of my builds.
3. how easy and installer friendly is it? how easily is it to plug wires into it and not have a huge length sticking out, how easy is it to make a flush trim panel for it, how easy is it to adjust settings on the amp. in this regard, the Mosconi AS EXCELS! i always like squared flat amps, becuase its easy to work a various different presentations for them, i love the fact that rcfa jacks are recessed so you can butt the amp close to something on the wiring side, i LOVE the fact that all the controsl are on top hidden via covers, so after the amp is nice and installed, you dont need to take anything out to adjust the settings. this is perhaps the most installer friendly amp i have ever used from a wide variety of aspects.
4. how does it look. i enjoy clean and euro chic products, and to me, mosconi is the defintion of that.
5. performance and flexiblity. notice i have this last, becuase I am not going to use a junk amp, so that was never going to part of the equation. but mainly i want three things about the performance of the amp, low noise floor, tons of reserve power, and ability to run at low impedance to give me flexiblity on subwoofers. and again, i feel that the mosconi has been great in all three, i have definitely used other amps that are just as good performance wise, but they usually dont have the same thing for the above four criteria, AND a lot of times they are more expensive.
thats my take, so no one accuses me of just going after the next new thing with mosconi and its all based on some form of logical explanation
for me, going through hundreds and hundreds of amps, i kinda value things a bit differently than a typical person.
for me, the priorities are:
1. reliability and resistance to "issues": beyond the simple fact that it wont break, it also needs to run cool under hot and stuffy conditions, resistance to noise is exremely important, and just overall devoid of any type of issues that would cuase the amp to be returned and not used. in this aspect, the mosconis have been stellar. i was sold when i did them in a bmw 335 diesel. in late model bimmers, the car is EMI central, i have seen and experienced the car injecting noise DIRECTLY into an amp circuit board...and not junky amps but good overall amps. The diesel, as you know is even more noisy from an EMI standpoint. when that car was dead silent, i was convinced. reliablity has been stellar, with its active fan cooling, it runs pretty darn cool, good for my type of install.
2. how well am i supported by the manufacturer, is my rep good, are they ready and willing with any technical info? basically i want to feel that i am wanted by the company. for me its always a loyalty thing, if they are loyal to me, then i will do my damnest to be loyal to them. and in this aspect, ORCA and my rep has been endlessly helpful. this is also the reason that while i am technically a dealer for many many brands, you typically seem me use a handful for a vast majority of my builds.
3. how easy and installer friendly is it? how easily is it to plug wires into it and not have a huge length sticking out, how easy is it to make a flush trim panel for it, how easy is it to adjust settings on the amp. in this regard, the Mosconi AS EXCELS! i always like squared flat amps, becuase its easy to work a various different presentations for them, i love the fact that rcfa jacks are recessed so you can butt the amp close to something on the wiring side, i LOVE the fact that all the controsl are on top hidden via covers, so after the amp is nice and installed, you dont need to take anything out to adjust the settings. this is perhaps the most installer friendly amp i have ever used from a wide variety of aspects.
4. how does it look. i enjoy clean and euro chic products, and to me, mosconi is the defintion of that.
5. performance and flexiblity. notice i have this last, becuase I am not going to use a junk amp, so that was never going to part of the equation. but mainly i want three things about the performance of the amp, low noise floor, tons of reserve power, and ability to run at low impedance to give me flexiblity on subwoofers. and again, i feel that the mosconi has been great in all three, i have definitely used other amps that are just as good performance wise, but they usually dont have the same thing for the above four criteria, AND a lot of times they are more expensive.
thats my take, so no one accuses me of just going after the next new thing with mosconi and its all based on some form of logical explanation
for me, going through hundreds and hundreds of amps, i kinda value things a bit differently than a typical person.
for me, the priorities are:
1. reliability and resistance to "issues": beyond the simple fact that it wont break, it also needs to run cool under hot and stuffy conditions, resistance to noise is exremely important, and just overall devoid of any type of issues that would cuase the amp to be returned and not used. in this aspect, the mosconis have been stellar. i was sold when i did them in a bmw 335 diesel. in late model bimmers, the car is EMI central, i have seen and experienced the car injecting noise DIRECTLY into an amp circuit board...and not junky amps but good overall amps. The diesel, as you know is even more noisy from an EMI standpoint. when that car was dead silent, i was convinced. reliablity has been stellar, with its active fan cooling, it runs pretty darn cool, good for my type of install.
2. how well am i supported by the manufacturer, is my rep good, are they ready and willing with any technical info? basically i want to feel that i am wanted by the company. for me its always a loyalty thing, if they are loyal to me, then i will do my damnest to be loyal to them. and in this aspect, ORCA and my rep has been endlessly helpful. this is also the reason that while i am technically a dealer for many many brands, you typically seem me use a handful for a vast majority of my builds.
3. how easy and installer friendly is it? how easily is it to plug wires into it and not have a huge length sticking out, how easy is it to make a flush trim panel for it, how easy is it to adjust settings on the amp. in this regard, the Mosconi AS EXCELS! i always like squared flat amps, becuase its easy to work a various different presentations for them, i love the fact that rcfa jacks are recessed so you can butt the amp close to something on the wiring side, i LOVE the fact that all the controsl are on top hidden via covers, so after the amp is nice and installed, you dont need to take anything out to adjust the settings. this is perhaps the most installer friendly amp i have ever used from a wide variety of aspects.
4. how does it look. i enjoy clean and euro chic products, and to me, mosconi is the defintion of that.
5. performance and flexiblity. notice i have this last, becuase I am not going to use a junk amp, so that was never going to part of the equation. but mainly i want three things about the performance of the amp, low noise floor, tons of reserve power, and ability to run at low impedance to give me flexiblity on subwoofers. and again, i feel that the mosconi has been great in all three, i have definitely used other amps that are just as good performance wise, but they usually dont have the same thing for the above four criteria, AND a lot of times they are more expensive.
thats my take, so no one accuses me of just going after the next new thing with mosconi and its all based on some form of logical explanation
Very nice Bing -If at some point I have a serious change of fate of personal finances...I will be shipping a Corsa Blue Kia Optima SX Turbo your way to have a system installed with some of those Mosconi amps.
for me, going through hundreds and hundreds of amps, i kinda value things a bit differently than a typical person.
for me, the priorities are:
1. reliability and resistance to "issues": beyond the simple fact that it wont break, it also needs to run cool under hot and stuffy conditions, resistance to noise is exremely important, and just overall devoid of any type of issues that would cuase the amp to be returned and not used. in this aspect, the mosconis have been stellar. i was sold when i did them in a bmw 335 diesel. in late model bimmers, the car is EMI central, i have seen and experienced the car injecting noise DIRECTLY into an amp circuit board...and not junky amps but good overall amps. The diesel, as you know is even more noisy from an EMI standpoint. when that car was dead silent, i was convinced. reliablity has been stellar, with its active fan cooling, it runs pretty darn cool, good for my type of install.
2. how well am i supported by the manufacturer, is my rep good, are they ready and willing with any technical info? basically i want to feel that i am wanted by the company. for me its always a loyalty thing, if they are loyal to me, then i will do my damnest to be loyal to them. and in this aspect, ORCA and my rep has been endlessly helpful. this is also the reason that while i am technically a dealer for many many brands, you typically seem me use a handful for a vast majority of my builds.
3. how easy and installer friendly is it? how easily is it to plug wires into it and not have a huge length sticking out, how easy is it to make a flush trim panel for it, how easy is it to adjust settings on the amp. in this regard, the Mosconi AS EXCELS! i always like squared flat amps, becuase its easy to work a various different presentations for them, i love the fact that rcfa jacks are recessed so you can butt the amp close to something on the wiring side, i LOVE the fact that all the controsl are on top hidden via covers, so after the amp is nice and installed, you dont need to take anything out to adjust the settings. this is perhaps the most installer friendly amp i have ever used from a wide variety of aspects.
4. how does it look. i enjoy clean and euro chic products, and to me, mosconi is the defintion of that.
5. performance and flexiblity. notice i have this last, becuase I am not going to use a junk amp, so that was never going to part of the equation. but mainly i want three things about the performance of the amp, low noise floor, tons of reserve power, and ability to run at low impedance to give me flexiblity on subwoofers. and again, i feel that the mosconi has been great in all three, i have definitely used other amps that are just as good performance wise, but they usually dont have the same thing for the above four criteria, AND a lot of times they are more expensive.
thats my take, so no one accuses me of just going after the next new thing with mosconi and its all based on some form of logical explanation
And to think that your favs used to be DLS Ultimate shame that you prefer Mosconi
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I'll repeat it for the miliionth time : All amps do NOT sound the same ... It's astonishing to me that nobody understands this
but the main reason i dont like it anymore is rampant online sales.
also, compared to mosconi, they are at virtually the same cost, but the mosconis offer higher power output and easier to integrate cosmetically and eaier to install.
though chances are the dls a4/a5 combo is gonna remain in my car for the remainder of its life
Very nice Bing -If at some point I have a serious change of fate of personal finances...I will be shipping a Corsa Blue Kia Optima SX Turbo your way to have a system installed with some of those Mosconi amps.
happens with a lot of gear on here. for some reason some line or brand suddenly becomes popular for a while for no reason at all. about a year ago there were more pdx amps on here than ebay. same thing happened for a while for the alpine ring rad tweets. massive stuff was all the rage a few months ago but hardly any now. it's all cyclical.
Very nice Bing -If at some point I have a serious change of fate of personal finances...I will be shipping a Corsa Blue Kia Optima SX Turbo your way to have a system installed with some of those Mosconi amps.
Why so many Mosconi amps up for sale?
to see this many go up for sale.
same reason why there is a lot of HAT gear for sale 
and one of those Mosconi AS 200.4 keeps calling my name.....disgusting!
shame that you prefer Mosconi 
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