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Im looking for advise on getting a single sub setup. I want to know which would you guys get and what would be the benefit of getting one over the other. The box will be custom built to whatever sub I get and porbably tuned around 34 hertz for both set ups.

1. JL Audio 13w7 on JL Audio HD 1200

2. Sundown X12 on Sundown 2000D
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Do you want high output under 40hz?
Do you want a lot of output across the entire bass range?
1. Sundown
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well I listen to regular rap music so Im not sure exactly what hertz range thats in
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JL will be better suited in this case. Sundown X and up are that rebassed, slowed bass music crowd.
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JL will be better suited in this case. Sundown X and up are that rebassed, slowed bass music crowd.


Agreed... both will shake shit with proper electrical supply and quality box.. the sundown would most likely hit a higher spl because of almost twice as much power going to it but will not sound as "good" as JL's audiophile grade woofer (which mind u was never really intended for "beating the block down", but definately can if need be)


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w7 is a no brainer
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I just have a 10" Zv4 powered by a 2000D and it is pretty crazy how low it can go, and how loud it can get... It totally kicks my ass.

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I wanna get the sundown x or Zv5 and put it on a sundown 2000rms but without hearing it and just going off reviews and youtube its hard. I worried that the sundown will only be a lowend monser and not play up to 60 hertz while the W7 will have a better bandwidth
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Sundown WFT

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Sundown. 2 year warranty.

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Sundown. 2 year warranty.
This ^^^. AND excellent customer service...

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I still do not understand the misconception about sundown x series. We have one in a trooper in a box built to spec and its painful. Honestly, and I careless about what anyone says unless you have experienced it, this one is almost better than 212 sa on same amp. We did the side by side comparison. Now, on country, 70s rock it is tight and hits hard but not bloated. Metallica one, all three bass notes are clear and separate. The x12 is awesome but power hungry. After doing a lot of testing and playing around it might be better to tune it a bit higher if your into rock, metal etc, but for most everything else these subs are awesome. I am sure the jl is a great sub as well but I guess it depends on your space as well. All the tests were done in an Isuzu trooper with sundown 2000 amp switching different combinations in and out.
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This ^^^. AND excellent customer service...
now with paid return shipping for warranty issues!
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now with paid return shipping for warranty issues!
Things like these are why I decided not to sell my Sundown amp. Ran it hard at 1ohm for 18months and the thing didn't even get warm.

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I was a huge JL fan, got up to the W6v3 amongst others. One go with an SA-12 changed all that for me. Barring price difference, Sundown was simply a far better all-rounder. SPL was far better, and SQ was night and day difference in favour of Sundown, with the SA-12 feeling almost as tight as my Hybrid Audio ... which really is light-years ahead of JL for SQ!

Personally I've never been a fan of the W7, never owned one but I've heard a few. You can excuse that by calling out the install, but I think 'that excuse' can be somewhat overused. I prefer to say that for me the sub just never lived up to any of my expectations. In isolation even the worst performer can sound good. It's when you start to bring in comparisons that things go awry.

But for me the price point is just a bitter pill to swallow with JL. On a side note (this might not apply) Living in the UK, since the Brexit decision last year the price of JL gear has jumped up. I bought my CP108 (in video) for £238. you'll now pay £319 that's a 40%+ up-shift in price. Where's the justification for it?

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In terms of competition, I think JL priced itself out of the market a long time ago. I love some JL gear, but unless there was a specific project for which only JL would fit the bill, I simply wouldn't give them a second look ... and I don't think in this instance those circumstances have presented themselves, hence why you're considering Sundown.

Sorry JL, but until you bring out something that can equal or better the competition, and for a reasonable price, I'd chose Sundown all day every day!
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I still do not understand the misconception about sundown x series.
I think it's an easy one. The misconception is

SPL subs - can't do SQ

SQ subs - can't get loud

call it ignorance perpetuated ... like QTS dictating the type of enclosure or a singular parameter being the overriding factor in how a sub performs. You can try and educate/correct, but in this day and age, it's often greeted with anger and insults.
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Any sub will have enough output to blend into a real SQ install.
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I guess I am a car audio simpleton. I am loving my new JL 12"tw3-d4 on a measly 500 watt alpine amp. I built the custom ported box (factory spec port) to go under the rear seat in my 14 Silverado double cab. It sounds good. I thought I was moving up in the world when I chose it for my install,lol.

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Naw man, don't say that about yourself. Your in the game. I was in Raleigh NC this week with a guy who has the same sub on a jl amp at 500 in a f150 super cab and he loves it for the most part. It sounds good. He has had it for a while but he is already talking about upgrading. Enjoy the set up. What you have is more than plenty for the average person. But when the sickness strikes its game on. I will say this though. And this may seemed biased because I dig sundown, but a the jltw312 is no comparison to the sundown sd3 12 in a ported box. That being said the sd3 must be on about 750-1000 but I don't think the jl can handle that kind of power. These are just empirical statements.
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I guess I am a car audio simpleton. I am loving my new JL 12"tw3-d4 on a measly 500 watt alpine amp. I built the custom ported box (factory spec port) to go under the rear seat in my 14 Silverado double cab. It sounds good. I thought I was moving up in the world when I chose it for my install,lol.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm far from a hater ... even though it may not look like it. If I had to have a complete JL system, I would consider myself very lucky. I've owned far worse than JL (Vibe Audio), and one thing I can't really fault is the way in which JL designs and builds their products. They are solid as long as someone doesn't shave 10,000 watts into a 6W3v3 I'm sure any JL sub will last you well for years, .. unlike my Vibe Audio sub ... (dig, dig)!!!

Dare I say it was my experience with Vibe that turned me onto JL. I simply wanted a subwoofer that wouldn't fail after a few months, and I knew I had to stop buying cheap rubbish and actually invest in something that would last. I have to add that I went through two Blaupunkt subs almost as quickly as the Vibe subs.

The problem for me ..... comes when I was confronted with the SA-12. Given I'd nearly done £500 on the W6v3 and i got the SA-12 for £175 ... (if i remember rightly), that things took a nose dive with me and JL. The Sundown did all that JL did, build, performance, and more, but for £175 instead of £500. I couldn't just let that slip!

The problem is that flies never settle on audio enthusiasts. I think most are always looking for the next thing, better this, more that. But when it comes to money I tend to get a bit prickly when I look back in hindsight.

However I stand by my statements about the recent price hike and ask rhetorically; where's the justification for it?

I went through the same thing with my B&O Beosound 1 back in 2000. It launched with a retail price of £750. a year or so later it then went up to £925 (which is the price i paid). Before ending production it went well above £1,000. How can you justify that? Excuses where made about the price of aluminium, but i take that to be marketing hype at best.

As for the Brexit thing, It's not just JL. Hertz has shoot up in price as well. I was looking at the Hertz Mille Pro MPX 165.3. That used to retail for around £155 ... now its at £199 Four Car Audio


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I agree about jl. They are innovators for sure and jl stuff is and always been amazing. As a matter of fact I still run 2 jl 10w0 4 in my 4Runner at the moment on a sundown 1000. I have had sd3, sa,e etc but we keep selling them so I just put these in. I bought them for my son but am using them until I finish his install. I like them. but I am also waiting for the si be mkiv to come out. That being said you can get great sound when your dealing with good stuff. They all have strengths and weaknesses perse but it comes down to budget and space and power available.
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I was just having a little fun. I love my sub. I looked at sundown but they didn't have a shallow enough sub. As far as I can tell the JL is the best 12" I could find with that shallow a mount. It barely fits under the back seat and my kids still have a little leg room. But dad pounds!

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Also to op you can get 2 x12 for less than 1jl 13w7.
That being said the sundown really needs at least the 2000. It can handle 3000 but you have to be careful.
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So what are the main differences I am gonna see between a JL 13W7 on a JL HD 1200 amp and a Sundown X 12 on a Sundown 2000D amp? Im looking sounds wise on rap music. Will the X kill just the lows and not be good in the higher range like 50-60hertz? and will the JL be good all around sub that can hit any note lows and especially the higher notes better than the X?
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I was a huge JL fan, got up to the W6v3 amongst others. ... Living in the UK, since the Brexit decision last year the price of JL gear has jumped up. .... In terms of competition, I think JL priced itself out of the market a long time ago. I love some JL gear, but ...
Sorry JL, but until you bring out something that can equal or better the competition, and for a reasonable price, I'd chose Sundown all day every day!
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hey there, over here the JL stuff is appropriately/reasonably priced. If it's in the UK due to the Brexit and geopolitical/exchange rate situation, that will certainly make it quite nasty as you have mentioned!

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