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hello,

looking into 6.5 components, thinking of going with the cdt es62i series. any pros, cons?

Running an a/d/s mx460 , alpine cda9855 h.u.

any recomendations as for a great sounding set of components would be appreciated

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Depends on how you like your music to sound.

Dynaudio
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All good places to start when looking for a 6.5" set.
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My ears like Focal. Hat are worth checking out too.

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budget ? musical taste ? active or passive ?
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Install is the most important part of any system....but I lean towards HAT products...lol

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thanks for all the replies,

I have around $400 to spend , I was looking into these cdt's
CDTAudio top quality audio components
I tried google search for reviews and didn't find much info.
other options are
CDTAUDIO Premium Car audio Sound Systems
CDTAUDIO Premium Car Audio Sound Systems

focals
Focal 165-V1 - Focal 165V1 Polyglass 6.5" 2 Way Component Speakers

polk had good reviews
Polk Audio mm6w - Polk Audio 6.5" Momo Competition Component Set

Mostly listen to live recordings, rock , blues , jazz. I am looking for something nuetral, with a good sound quality. Not interested in blasting out my neighbors or the car next to me at the red light.

I am looking for a plug and play component set, I can modify the door panels in the toyota tacoma if necessary, they were 5x7 stock , I believe. I have infinity 6.5 reference components installed now. The a/d/s mx460 amp sounds great, the infinity's midbass is ok, but the highs are not so good. Running a jbl bp600.1 and infinity kappa perfect 10" dual voice coil sub.

I would run the components passive , I do not have enough knowledge to even begin to run the active. The a/d/s amp is a step or two beyond my knowledge, I bypassed the x-over on the amp and messed with the xover settings on the h.u.. I am going to run two channels of the 4 channel amp, would I be better off bridging the amp, or just using two channels for better sound quality,

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Do you have any speakers you could trade in for credit towards the Hybrids? Remember we do have the Trade in/Trade up program.

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Mine are. But then again, everyone is going to say that. Most of the choices recommended in here aren't available for audition locally, so you will be trusting the word of people you don't know who could have picked speakers you'll not like. I only buy what I can hear. I bought mine after a 2-week multi-brand blind evaluation. After reading what people like online, I firmly believe there are no true "best" components. It's about preference.

During my blind evaluation I never thought I would consider Infinity Reference to be the best. I selected them over everything else on the mass market. I've gotten endless crap from people for picking them as "the best" and nowadays I just don't talk about it anymore. People online are so pigheaded about their beliefs and there is no use in trying to convince them that Infinity Reference speakers sound like world class performers to my ears. Some people 'hate' my speakers, at least online they say they do. In person so far, people like my speakers. Go figure. I don't let other people's opinions move what my own ears tell me. I suggest you do the same.

Go with what your ears tell you is the best. Afterall, you are the one who has to listen to your system everyday, not those critics. Are you after pleasing your own ears or trying to Build a system for other people who will never hear it?
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There are some companies(like Hybrid audio and others) that have multiple world championships and great reviews to back the 'internet buzz' about their products they know people can't audition.

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Check out the Digital Designs W components, 480 bucks with crossovers, 380 without if your going to run active. Apparently these are excellent for the money!
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There are some companies(like Hybrid audio and others) that have multiple world championships and great reviews to back the 'internet buzz' about their products they know people can't audition.
At those prices, they better be the best, not just 'good'. SQ comps require a flat response from 20Hz-20kHz and multiple processors to achieve those results. You should theoretically be able to take just about any decent speaker, put processing on it and achieve a really flat result.

I've heard 'flat' EQ'd systems for home audio, none for car, but if they are anything alike (I imagine they are) then there is virtually no low-end and that sounds 'fake' to me. Like what a old style phonograph sounds like. Midrange, tinny and irritating with no smoothness.

I tried a home audio experiment. I had a friend who could sing come into my home. I played an acoustic recording of a vocal only after setting my home system to flat frequency response using my EQ. I wanted to achieve vocal accuracy in my home. I played the piece of music, then I had my friend sing. I quickly decided that my system 'flat' didn't sound real at all. It was phony. I tried multiple tracks and found that on multiple tracks of varying depth of bass on vocals still lacked any true realism.

Then I started adjusting the EQ and played tracks, having my friend sing every once in a while. After a couple of hours I got my system to sound real close to an actual singer on most tracks. So, a 'flat' 20Hz-20KHz for me doesn't sound 'real' and 'real' is what I strive for.

Another critical element in Speaker listening I search for is 'image'. Does it sound like I'm wearing headphones? Do I hear not just right to left, but like there is a depth in front of me that stretches out far beyond the speakers? I found that you can't EQ that into a set of speakers. They either have depth of image or they don't. You can play around with a device like an HRTF processor to try and force a more spatial effect but my speakers don't need it.

I am very critical on my Speaker selection and evaluation. Here are the items I judge on my sheet of paper:

Tonality - Do instruments and sounds seem 'real'. (Different acoustic environments will change some characteristics of the sound, but not some specific ones you can still listen for.)

Image - When playing binaural recordings or playing music that use a lot of echos/ambience, does the sound stretch out? (And don't get fooled by the ambience/echos of the room you're listening in.)

Dynamics - When a drum hits, is there a sharp impact? When an orchestra builds to a climatic crescendo, does it sound like it's increasing in volume? Can you sense it's getting louder? (Some speakers sound dull and lifeless, with what seems like a equal-loud output from soft sounds to loud ones. If you want an extreme example, listen to electro-static speakers from years ago.)

Overtone/resonance - All speakers seem to have this, except the most expensive I've heard. On lower mid-range sounds, listen for a lingering ring on top of the sound that is not part of the actual music and is not part of your acoustic environment, but coming from the speaker itself. Virtually all speakers have this in one degree or another. Some that manage to minimize it, seem to do so at the cost of imaging. The rare speaker that has deep image and no additional resonance is usually VERY expensive. Yet most 'expensive' speakers still have this problem. The best speakers I ever heard were a set of Snell Acoustics THX cinema reference speakers. At the time they were being sold, they cost $30,000 for the whole setup.

Sibilance vs air - I've noticed that when you try to minimize sibilance in sounds, you lose some of the 'air' in the soundstage. And when you try to open up the soundstage to improve imaging, you increase sibilance on vocals and over accentuate the sound of 'clicks' 'ticks' cymbals and chimes. This can be improved with an EQ and is not something you are doomed with when buying a set of speakers. Some people refer to these kinds of speakers/tweeters as 'bright'. Most tweeters can still be attenuated to improve the realism. There are metal tweeters that have no hope of sounding realistic. I absolutely hate Boston Acoustics tweeters. They sound metallic and phony to me. Some people like Boston Acoustics, and I don't want to start arguments or offend, but they are some of the worst tweeters on decently priced speakers I've ever heard. I can hear them immediately upon entering a Car audio shop. They have a signature sound that is hard to miss and I guess you either love it or hate it.

Those are pretty much the big 5 for me. Opinions on speakers are going to vary. The best thing to do is listen to a set of speakers with your own ears, reject anyone else's opinion, and apply those 5 critical listening examples whenever you evaluate. You will end up with a good set of speakers just for YOU.

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thanks for all the replies,

I have around $400 to spend , I was looking into these cdt's
CDTAudio top quality audio components
I tried google search for reviews and didn't find much info.
other options are
CDTAUDIO Premium Car audio Sound Systems
CDTAUDIO Premium Car Audio Sound Systems

focals
Focal 165-V1 - Focal 165V1 Polyglass 6.5" 2 Way Component Speakers

polk had good reviews
Polk Audio mm6w - Polk Audio 6.5" Momo Competition Component Set

Mostly listen to live recordings, rock , blues , jazz. I am looking for something nuetral, with a good sound quality. Not interested in blasting out my neighbors or the car next to me at the red light.

I am looking for a plug and play component set, I can modify the door panels in the toyota tacoma if necessary, they were 5x7 stock , I believe. I have infinity 6.5 reference components installed now. The a/d/s mx460 amp sounds great, the infinity's midbass is ok, but the highs are not so good. Running a jbl bp600.1 and infinity kappa perfect 10" dual voice coil sub.

I would run the components passive , I do not have enough knowledge to even begin to run the active. The a/d/s amp is a step or two beyond my knowledge, I bypassed the x-over on the amp and messed with the xover settings on the h.u.. I am going to run two channels of the 4 channel amp, would I be better off bridging the amp, or just using two channels for better sound quality,

thanks for your time
passive, bridged would be best, I think.
Have you considered Aura MR62 braxials?

they can be had for cheap, sound great out of the box, and have the very qualities you're looking for, fully plug and play and good midbass, along with uncolored mid and high presentation.

Excellent, revealing and accurate, I've had a pair running off a 50w/ch RF amp since '04 in my diesel work truck running passive, and they get a workout since I blast my tunes for several hours at a time, all the time.

These are the most "plug and play" sets I've come across, they handle all types of music with aplomb, aren't harsh up high, and their only drawbacks are a little depth mounting and a thick spacer/grill config and a pet peeve, mounted a little twisted so that the tweeters are firing not just up but to the back a little in door mount, the Aura logo is "off level", just a cosmetic consideration.
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thanks for all the replies,

I have around $400 to spend

Mostly listen to live recordings, rock , blues , jazz. I am looking for something nuetral, with a good sound quality. Not interested in blasting out my neighbors or the Car next to me at the red light.

I am looking for a plug and play component set, I can modify the door panels in the toyota tacoma if necessary, they were 5x7 stock , I believe. I have infinity 6.5 reference components installed now. The a/d/s mx460 amp sounds great, the infinity's midbass is ok, but the highs are not so good. Running a jbl bp600.1 and infinity kappa perfect 10" dual voice coil sub.

I would run the components passive , I do not have enough knowledge to even begin to run the active. The a/d/s amp is a step or two beyond my knowledge, I bypassed the x-over on the amp and messed with the xover settings on the h.u.. I am going to run two channels of the 4 channel amp, would I be better off bridging the amp, or just using two channels for better sound quality,

thanks for your time
Interesting, yet another person dissatisfied with the Infinity Refs - I got rid of mine too.

Like many I don't think there is a best anything. The Alpine Type X pros are ~$350 on ikesound.com. Obviously, if you can find a set locally to listen to, then that would be the way to go. They're only 2.5" deep, but that is ~.5" deeper than your Refs. After listening to them, I'm highly considering swapping my old Alpine Type-X refs for this set. Here's a review from CAF:

(new) Alpine Type X Pro review - CarAudioForum.com

Car audio wholesale distributor Alpine Pioneer Kicker Clarion Hifonics Kenwood Boss - Ikesound.com - Alpine SPX-17PRO

I think any of the sets you're looking at will be a big step up from the Infinities. There is a reason that so many have upgraded from the Refs....

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Thow these in the mix IMO

Zapco RB-16.2 Reference 6.5 Component speakers NEW REF - eBay (item 120365113858 end time Jan-24-09 13:23:36 PST)

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So, I am going to go around to the local shops and see if anyone carries anything other than pioneer. In the mean time I will do some research on running active instead of passive. If I run active I can tweak the sound more than passive? My h.u. has a built in crossover and I have a couple high pass xovers for the a/d/s, just not sure how to manipulate them and finding info on them has been troublesome.
If I run active I can just switch out the tweeters? I do like the midbass from the infinity reference. Maybe I can tweak the tweeters on the infinitys. I have been running infinity ref. for about six years and gone through a bunch of speakers. I had an a/d/s mx860 running infinity ref. I bridged two sets of components, one in the door, one in the kickplate. The sound was amazing, till the amp burned up. Not sure if the speakers blew and shorted the amp. The right side of the amp was fried and two sets of components would not make a sound. I am worried about the same thing happening with the infinity's and the ads mx460.
My wife has the infinity ref. in her 4 runner, no amp and an alpine h.u. and it sounds pretty good.
Was hoping it would have been as easy as everyone saying ,"oh yeah! buy those, they are great" . I'll search fo shops in S. Fla that carry components

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I don't believe in 'easy' Speaker selection. Take your time and buy something you like to listen to. Quality sound is an individual thing and components shouldn't be selected on a whim or on a casual suggestion.
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I am just saying that when a company like us has numerous National and World titles under our belt. I would think we have the credability.
As for a SQ Car being flat...I do not know of any person that wants to tune to a flat response(unless they are getting judged on RTA).
Multiple processors? Yeah you might need them....if you don't know what you are doing...There are plenty of HUs today that have T/A and Eq built in so all you would really need to do is set your gains correctly.
Speakers have imagining or they don't? So you are saying that Speaker placement has nothing to do with imagining?

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Ever think that the world championships HAT has is from the people using them and installing them CORRECTLY? I'm not a HAT fan but that doesn't make me a bad person. I do like their tweeters. I'd run morels over HAT just out of principal though...like I am now.

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I understand your point of view. What I am stating is that given the right install every Speaker has the ability to sound good. It is all in the install.

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But when you say that xxx products have the credibility that's just a different way in saying your shit doesn't stink when you know good and well it isn't for everyone. Focal is my one and only for mids but I don't like the tweets in most cases. HAT mids make me want to punch babies with their tonal signature that can't seem to be tuned out but I like the tweets.

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Every speaker, be it Hybrid, Focal, or any brand, has a signature sound. Some people like the sound of "their brand". The OP asked for the best,with the piles of awards and titles Hybrid audio has recieved in our few years would put them up on alot of peoples list.

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