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Default Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

Can someone clear something up for me?,I notice in the old horn install the would used either a 10 or 12 sub for Midas's,I thought the 6 or 8 incher played that role??
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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

because why not?

but really.. more output

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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

10s and 12s can certainly handle this role better than smaller drivers. The answer you may be looking for is whether the door or floor can accommodate this particular type of setup.
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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

Who says in horn installs only? I have 10s mated to a 5" midrange and a tweet!

Like skizer said above tho.......it's all about output. Air displacement is where output comes from, and a 10 or 12 simply moves more air than a 6 or 8....
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Who says in horn installs only? I have 10s mated to a 5" midrange and a tweet!

Like skizer said above tho.......it's all about output. Air displacement is where output comes from, and a 10 or 12 simply moves more air than a 6 or 8....
Erin is doing something better... A 12" to a 2.5" mid

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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

Oh ok wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers was just curious as to why folks were going this route with horns
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Oh ok wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers was just curious as to why folks were going this route with horns
well you kinda need the extra output with horns considering most horns have a sensitivity around 108+ db

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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

To put it simply, in order to keep a good coherence and a dynamic system horns are known for, it simply is better to use a high efficiency driver to pair with horns.

High efficiency and low frequencies don't mix very well. You either have a 6" driver that plays low well but has a sensitivity of 84dB 1w/1m or you use a 6" driver with a sensitivity of 100dB to pair with a 110dB+ horn that will only play 125Hz-160Hz and up coz it won't let it cross below that. Then you need a driver to keep up with that - a high efficiency midbass (10" and up).

A few decades ago, this was even worse, small driver just couldn't play low, so you had to use big drivers 8" and up in order to keep up with the rest of the system.

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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

I drive a 96 Accord sedan,if I went with horns where would be a good place to install some 10's or 12's since I don't have that rear side space like some other cars do
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I drive a 96 Accord sedan,if I went with horns where would be a good place to install some 10's or 12's since I don't have that rear side space like some other cars do
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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

rear deck midbass?


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rear deck midbass?
well considering this is the HLCD section and hlcd's are usually a 2 way system crossed around 1.5k~.. thats not such a good idea lol

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well considering this is the HLCD section and hlcd's are usually a 2 way system crossed around 1.5k~.. thats not such a good idea lol
I keep thinking 3-way. Guess it all depends on how the mid-range is covered.

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To put it simply, in order to keep a good coherence and a dynamic system horns are known for, it simply is better to use a high efficiency driver to pair with horns.

High efficiency and low frequencies don't mix very well. You either have a 6" driver that plays low well but has a sensitivity of 84dB 1w/1m or you use a 6" driver with a sensitivity of 100dB to pair with a 110dB+ horn that will only play 125Hz-160Hz and up coz it won't let it cross below that. Then you need a driver to keep up with that - a high efficiency midbass (10" and up).

A few decades ago, this was even worse, small driver just couldn't play low, so you had to use big drivers 8" and up in order to keep up with the rest of the system.

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HE drivers generally trade off the efficiency for low frequency extension/excursion. so to make up for it, folks use a larger driver in HE systems than they would typically use vs a mid-efficiency system.

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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

In PA systems it's common to see a 10-15" driver used for midbass, how much output do you want and how much room do you have are the questions.

Obviously the 15 used as a midbass is not the same woofer or the same enclosure you'd use for 30hz.
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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

right. I use a 15" HE (98dB @ 1w/1m) woofer in my HT and still cross it at about 80hz. It mates to the CD/horn at about 550hz or so.

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right. I use a 15" HE (98dB @ 1w/1m) woofer in my HT and still cross it at about 80hz.
if the woofer is 15" how big are the subs?

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because why not?

but really.. more output
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if the woofer is 15" how big are the subs?
I use standard sensitivity subs. SI HT18, to be exact.

Again, HE woofers are a different breed. In my case, to get the low end for HT purposes out of a HE driver, you'd be talking at least an 18" woofer and a very large ported enclosure. When I was considering going with an HE subwoofer - one that would play flat in to the low 20's - I was spec'ing out 21" B&C woofers in 5-6ft^3 enclosures. I decided that was ludicrous and I went with the HT18's. It's good enough. Ideally I'd add a few more subs but I'm happy with the output of the current setup.

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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

Well this would be my setup USD BC300 wave guides Beyma 8g40 miss JBL 15" subs now if I wanted to add Midbass where would be the best place to place them front door or rear door in my 96 Accord sedan??
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Default Re: Why 10's or 12's for midbass??

Well thats where the confusion lies for me,every old school horn set had the midbass installed behind them in the rear side panel,can anyone explain why??
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Well this would be my setup USD BC300 wave guides Beyma 8g40 miss JBL 15" subs now if I wanted to add Midbass where would be the best place to place them front door or rear door in my 96 Accord sedan??
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Well thats where the confusion lies for me,every old school horn set had the midbass installed behind them in the rear side panel,can anyone explain why??
You won't be using a dedicated midrange, those with rear midbasses do.

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Mainly the USD cars had midbasses behind the driver.
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