I have another question...I understand that putting the the tweeters up will move the height up, but my car has a center channel. I haven't played with locations yet because I am waiting on my bit one to arrive. That and I have to install everything. My question is this, will the tweeters up high create issues with the center channel? Yes I know, experimentation is key, but I'm not there yet...just trying to learn as much as possible!
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I have another question...I understand that putting the the tweeters up will move the height up, but my car has a center channel. I haven't played with locations yet because I am waiting on my bit one to arrive. That and I have to install everything. My question is this, will the tweeters up high create issues with the center channel? Yes I know, experimentation is key, but I'm not there yet...just trying to learn as much as possible!
If everything is in phase, it shouldn't create any issue.
Kelvin
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I'll repeat it for the miliionth time : All amps do NOT sound the same ... It's astonishing to me that nobody understands this
Got a heap of valuable advice from DIYMA's derickveilz and some from some of the local guys here at Trinidad.
You are welcome!
But now if you want to have a wider stage you got to push in your speakers into the frame! The further apart from each other the wider your sound-stage!
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Derick Veliz, My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. Toyota Yaris Sedan Pioneer P-99, I6SW, - Legatia L6 midbass, - HL-70 3" midrange, - L1v2 Tweeters
[QUOTE=ragnaroksq;1693403]i have a 6.5 hybrid sub,L4 and L1 pro in the kick. i love the way it sounds.
How did you manage the internal volume for each driver? I'm very curious! do you have more information and/or pictures of your install?
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Derick Veliz, My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. Toyota Yaris Sedan Pioneer P-99, I6SW, - Legatia L6 midbass, - HL-70 3" midrange, - L1v2 Tweeters
No metal was cut. All of the speakers have their own air space and the midbass enclosure is vented througb tbe rails.
What made you use a pair of i6SW sub-woofer for midbass instead of a pair of L6 or L8?
My i6SW sounds and feels like in heaven and is up-front; but never thought about using a couple instead of my L6s
You got me thinking.... do you mind asking what are your x-over points for the i6SW?
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Derick Veliz, My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. Toyota Yaris Sedan Pioneer P-99, I6SW, - Legatia L6 midbass, - HL-70 3" midrange, - L1v2 Tweeters
What made you use a pair of i6SW sub-woofer for midbass instead of a pair of L6 or L8?
My i6SW sounds and feels like in heaven and is up-front; but never thought about using a couple instead of my L6s
You got me thinking.... do you mind asking what are your x-over points for the i6SW?
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in my opinion, the i6sw is better for midbass. i used the L6 in my past install and it's a great speaker, but i wanted more low end and the i6 was the answer.
as for crossover points..playing 50-250hz 12 db slope
Hey guys, I have been looking throught this thread but I have not read every post so I will give you guys some good direction.
It is all about Math, very simple fundamentals that every one seems to over look. Making a car have a good stage is not rocket science. You must be thorough in your installation.
First reason to use kickpanels is path length, the kickpanels are the furthest location from your ears. In a vehicle, the further you get away from the speakers the equal the path lenghts become, generally anything better than 8 inches or less will have the potential to have a great stage, anything more than 8 inches you will have a hard time getting good for both seats. Never put any type of driver in the door!!!!! Never!
Width, You must place the speaker as wide as possible, cut what you need to get the widest placement you can, if that means the speakers are facing each other then so be it.
Tweeters are to be placed even more forward than the mid, even if it lower, stage height does not come from the tweeters being high.
Enclosures, Very important that NONE of the energy that the rear of the speaker makes is in no way shape or form in your listening enviroment. This is the # 1 reason for phase shifting. This energy must be exhausted out of the car.
I will leave my post at that, If you guys are interested in what I have to say just ask for more.
Hey guys, I have been looking throught this thread but I have not read every post so I will give you guys some good direction.
It is all about Math, very simple fundamentals that every one seems to over look. Making a car have a good stage is not rocket science. You must be thorough in your installation.
First reason to use kickpanels is path length, the kickpanels are the furthest location from your ears. In a vehicle, the further you get away from the speakers the equal the path lenghts become, generally anything better than 8 inches or less will have the potential to have a great stage, anything more than 8 inches you will have a hard time getting good for both seats. Never put any type of driver in the door!!!!! Never!
Width, You must place the speaker as wide as possible, cut what you need to get the widest placement you can, if that means the speakers are facing each other then so be it.
Tweeters are to be placed even more forward than the mid, even if it lower, stage height does not come from the tweeters being high.
Enclosures, Very important that NONE of the energy that the rear of the speaker makes is in no way shape or form in your listening enviroment. This is the # 1 reason for phase shifting. This energy must be exhausted out of the car.
I will leave my post at that, If you guys are interested in what I have to say just ask for more.
There are some good infos but some are not absolute either...
I would like you to please explain what's in bold.
Kelvin
Lycan
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I'll repeat it for the miliionth time : All amps do NOT sound the same ... It's astonishing to me that nobody understands this
There are some good infos but some are not absolute either...
I would like you to please explain what's in bold.
Kelvin
Hey Kelvin, What I mean is that the tweeters must in front of the mid, closer to the front of the car. I m sure you know that high freq. travels at a faster speed than lower freq. The higher freq always gets to you first, by putting the tweeter further away that the mid you create a mechanical time delay, the info from the tweeter now has to travel further that the mid so they arrive more equally.
A "stage" happens because all of the info arrives relatively close to same time and by relatively I mean within milliseconds. This is called "Pycho Acoustics". The sound actually originates from your feet, but since you have managed to only hear what you are supposed to hear and hear it all at the right time so your brain processes the information in a visual since and the sound appears to be at eye level.
in my opinion, the i6sw is better for midbass. i used the L6 in my past install and it's a great speaker, but i wanted more low end and the i6 was the answer.
as for crossover points..playing 50-250hz 12 db slope
Cool.
So you are running the i6SW's in an IB configuration! I see where you are going, and the car it's an Audi right? with Sub(s) in the trunk.
Thanks for the info.
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Derick Veliz, My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. Toyota Yaris Sedan Pioneer P-99, I6SW, - Legatia L6 midbass, - HL-70 3" midrange, - L1v2 Tweeters
Derick Veliz, My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. Toyota Yaris Sedan Pioneer P-99, I6SW, - Legatia L6 midbass, - HL-70 3" midrange, - L1v2 Tweeters
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