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JL audio to Intro Two Signal Processors | ceoutlook.com

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JL audio said it will introduce two Car audio digital signal processors this year that can be used together or separately.

One model is the FiX, which is an OEM integration processor that can take the analog signal (or set of signals) from a Car radio, analyze them, sum them up and correct them to create a clean signal in order to add aftermarket components to the system.

It’s joined by the TwK (Tweak), which is JL Audio’s first tuning processor. It can be used with a laptop computer to analyze the car audio system for tuning adjustments.

JL Audio says it helped launch the DSP/OEM integration market with the CleanSweep a decade ago. VP Marketing Manville Smith, said “The FiX will be the descendent of the original CleanSweep but with much more capability. It will address some of the challenges that today’s cars are presenting.”

He said the FiX will be easy to use with a simple set up. “Put in a CD, play a track, press a button and move on with your day. That’s the idea.”

JL Audio revealed no other details, except that the processors are expected by the end of the year.

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Thankfully, JL Audio is working on two new products that will solve this problem: the Fix and the Twk (pronounced Tweak). The Fix will address an issue that all other processors on the market do not seem to address. It will account for and correct factory time correction before auto equalization which will allow for an even cleaner signal than ever before. Additionally, it will have 4 channel summing built in. For additional equalization control, the Twk can be added. The Twk adds 8 analog inputs and 2 optical inputs, 10 band equalization adjustable separately for left and right channels. It will have multiple EQ preset options for various driver preferences and driving scenarios. You know what it’s really going to do? It will give Audison’s Bit One and Alpine’s PXA-H800 Processor a run for their money. JL Audio is still in the process of developing the product and software at this point. JL Audio probably has at least another 9 months to a year in development. Details on pricing have not been released yet, but I’ve been told by we will all be pleasantly surprised.

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still don't see it overtaking the alpine offerings anytime soon at least with the twk, but I like the idea of the fix.
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MS-8 also fixes OEM T/A.

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The Twk adds 8 analog inputs and 2 optical inputs, 10 band equalization adjustable separately for left and right channels.
If the TwK is truly limited to 10 band (even parametric) L/R EQ, they are going to have a very hard time competing in the DSP market at large. I could see them selling a ton to JL dealers who haven't done a lot of fully active installs in the past, but if what is quoted above is true it just doesn't stack up to the competition.


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If the TwK is truly limited to 10 band (even parametric) L/R EQ, they are going to have a very hard time competing in the DSP market at large. I could see them selling a ton to JL dealers who haven't done a lot of fully active installs in the past, but if what is quoted above is true it just doesn't stack up to the competition.
They will sell well because there is a demand for low cost, fast installation/tuning DSPs.
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They will sell well because there is a demand for low cost, fast installation/tuning DSPs.
Agreed. There's a middle ground that has a gaping hole - easy processors (that aren't the MS8 which really didn't get the JBL support it needed to last).

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They will sell well because there is a demand for low cost, fast installation/tuning DSPs.
Also the target consumer group won't be as picky. Chances are that most will be using limited installs and Speaker locations. Tonal balance will be the biggest thing for them. Basically a louder more full range OEM type sound.

I'm not saying it won't also sound great for those that put the effort into installation though. Just that that's not the main target group since it would require that uncommon extra effort.

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They will sell well because there is a demand for low cost, fast installation/tuning DSPs.
I probably worded my statement incorrectly. I have no doubt that JL will sell a metric crap ton of whatever they make. They always do.

Regardless of cost though (which remains to be seen), is it not a bit disappointing that JL doesn't see a need to develop a "do all" processor that can compete with the current heavyweights in the DSP space?


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Regardless of cost though (which remains to be seen), is it not a bit disappointing that JL doesn't see a need to develop a "do all" processor that can compete with the current heavyweights in the DSP space?
I don't think so at all. For one, there are already great players out there. And, second, each have had problems either because of user error or the electronics/software/UI. I bet JL thinks they're not ready to BEAT the competition (or it's not worth it) so instead they're taking advantage of a gap in the market that the competition isn't. Processors are already a niche market - growing, no doubt but only because of necessity with modern factory integration requirements, not a want. It's hard for us at a shop to sell a $700 processor to someone even when a processor is really the only way to pull factory signal in the cleanest fashion and 90% of them don't need or want all that EQ and learning curve, just some customization is 80% of the battle. Plus, let's be honest, some people will buy JL stuff just because it says JL.

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I think that its a brilliant area in the product mix. If you think about easy, simple, DSP's or integration processors there really aren't too many out there. I think JL realizes that there needs to be a product that serves the needs of 90% of most customers who buy the whole deal from a B&M dealer/installer. Not everyone needs a PS8, 6to8, BitOne, MS8, et al...

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Interesting feedback, guys.

Curious: What is the perceived limitation of a 10-band parametric, especially if it can be deployed fully in the channel's passband, as opposed to a 30-band graphic which may only have 8 fixed bands in the passband in some applications?

Discuss.
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Aw shit......man done dropped some flexibility into his parametric not normally seen....haha!
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Interesting feedback, guys.

Curious: What is the perceived limitation of a 10-band parametric, especially if it can be deployed fully in the channel's passband, as opposed to a 30-band graphic which may only have 8 fixed bands in the passband in some applications?

Discuss.
The quote listed in the original post stated 10 bands for left and right. Your statement makes it sound like 10 bands per channel, i.e. per driver. Huge difference If the unit has 10 per individual channel, that will likely suffice. Only my midrange drivers use more than 5, and they use about 14 due to the install location.

Personally, now having experience with parametric I will take it all day, every day over graphic. To me a graphic only makes sense if you are stuck in the 90's working on a AC-3055 or equivalent

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The 10 band parametric (per channel) is more than good. I only have 8 parametric now (and multiplied by 8 channels) and I didn't have to use all of them, ie. more than sufficient.

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Agreed with the previous two posts. The initial information of 10 Band L/R (not even listing parametric) was a big shortcoming for me. Knowing now that it is 10 band parametric per channel make a huge difference! I'll leave it to some of the DSP pros to poke and prod for more information regarding resolution, phase angles, et al.


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Definitely agree with the previous posts. However, I'm more interested in other features like shelving filters, variable phase, and crossover options such as selectable frequency instead of fixed and adjustable Q filters. Those kind of things are what I dig about the Helix DSP offerings. Then GUI type options of linking channels to adjust delay, levels, etc.

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Sorry guys, I started this thread only with the info that I obtained from ceoutlook.com. If it was wrong blame them, not me! We're all still friends, right guys? Guys????

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It's okay... we haven't exactly been crystalline in releasing details yet.

If the challenge is to meet the needs of every type of user, then the product definition becomes really difficult. The product that would make Erin H happy is very different than the product a typical installer needs to tune an "every day" system.

We are trying to span a pretty decent range of users, from the "quick tuner" to the "advanced user", by having the product features grouped in different levels of complexity. So, the "quick tuner" might use only a L-R 10 band to tune the whole system, set some crossover points, gains and that's about it.

A different user level would engage more options and more flexibility, and yet another would unleash everything the processor is capable of. These details I'm not willing to divulge yet, but I am open to suggestions.
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The 10 band parametric (per channel) is more than good. I only have 8 parametric now (and multiplied by 8 channels) and I didn't have to use all of them, ie. more than sufficient.
There are up to eight 10-band parametrics (one for each output channel, if you want), but you don't have to use all of them if you don't want to. You can use only two 10-band parametrics and feed all 8 outputs with them, if you want. The signal routing is very flexible.
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Any ETA on its release?
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Agreed. There's a middle ground that has a gaping hole - easy processors (that aren't the MS8 which really didn't get the JBL support it needed to last).
Yep. Had a guy in today with a 2014 Silverado with the 8" screen. Obviously not changing that out, but wants good sound. Willing to spend $299 on the Cleansweep, not willing to spend $699 (RF 3sixty.3) or $999 (Audison BitOne). And those prices are just for the hardware, not the cost for my hours of tuning.

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Also the target consumer group won't be as picky. Chances are that most will be using limited installs and Speaker locations. Tonal balance will be the biggest thing for them. Basically a louder more full range OEM type sound.

I'm not saying it won't also sound great for those that put the effort into installation though. Just that that's not the main target group since it would require that uncommon extra effort.
Correct. An 'every day' install. Somebody looking to spend $2-$3k on everything (products & install).

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I probably worded my statement incorrectly. I have no doubt that JL will sell a metric crap ton of whatever they make. They always do.

Regardless of cost though (which remains to be seen), is it not a bit disappointing that JL doesn't see a need to develop a "do all" processor that can compete with the current heavyweights in the DSP space?
I don't think it's disappointing. JL audio understands the current Car audio climate. The $500 DSPs + tuning is a super niche market. People just aren't spending the money on this stuff as much as forum members here think..
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I currently do not have a DSP nor have ever owned one. I am wanting to get into the tuning game but have been unable to decide which model would be best for a novice. Now it seems I may need to let this hit the market before making a final decision.

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10 bands is more than enough when it is relegated to a specific range. As a budget minded consumer, where would the TWK fit in amongst the other processors? Bang for the buck?

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Default Re: Update on new JL Audio Processors

Pricing will be announced closer to the release date.

The release date for TwK is not firm yet. Best estimate I can give is 4th quarter, 2015, but I reiterate, this is not firm.

The FiX integration processor will likely be ready in the 3rd quarter. Again, not firm.

We are working hard on both pieces.
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