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I thought the p99RS could play wav trough USB?
Yes it can. The P99RS can play WAV files through USB.

My wife has a 64GB iPod Touch and i have a 120GB iPod classic. I can hook these up to the P99RS via its USB port. Out of the hundreds of albums on these iDevices, only one or two are in WAV. The others are mostly in MP3 or AAC format. I normally don't use WAV on iDevices because:
1. No metadata in WAV files - meaning no album art and song information.
2. iPod space is expensive and limited.

For my P99RS, I use a old CHEAP 500GB external USB hard drive. Cheap meaning I bought it brand new for under US$40. Its a Samsung USB 2.0 hard drive that I cut into two FAT32 partitions. The P99RS "sees" only the first partition. This is good for me because that's where I file all the songs I want to hear at the moment. Then I use my computer to move to the second partition the songs I'm tired of hearing but want to keep.

All the songs on that hard drive are in WAV format, ripped from the original CDs using Exact audio Copy.

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Thanks everyone for the responses.........Well I tried a few different options and thought I would post my progress below..........
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Only 2 HU in existence play .flac files and the P99RS isn't one of them...

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okay so then which are the 2 hu that play flac files?
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So first using Exact audio Copy an older version I ripped a test cd to 320kpbs.....

But there was a huge difference between that and CD quality. I kept the original cd and my usb ripped version of it and alternatively played them.

320kpbs songs to me lacked depth, punch and detail and seemed "light" if I could explain it that way. No patch on cd
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Yup. Sad but true.

Convert them to WAV. I use Foobar to do this. Then I file them in an external hard drive.

Just make sure to convert your FLACs to 16bit/44.1kHz WAV files, and use a USB 2.0 hard drive with a maximum partition size of of 250GB formatted to FAT32.
Thanks. I did exactly what you said. But used Switch Sound file converter to convert the Flac files into 16bit/44.1 wav files.

I still noticed a difference. Not as much as the 320kpbs songs vs CD.

Some people say its a placebo but I definitely heard a difference in CD vs. Wav.

I would say at most a 5% difference but it was still there.
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If you absolutely must have "uncompressed" quality and can live with the added file size over lossless, then WAV is the only option.
Are you sure that the WAV files are exact CD quality . I mean they take up alot of space so I assume they are but I did notice a difference as I mentioned above.

My CD songs just sounded as if they had more depth and punch . The WAV files of the same songs seemed to lack that and seemed more electronic.

If you are sure that it is an exact replica I do not mind purchasing the external hard drive USB maybe go for one with 3.0

Is the external USB option compatible with the P99. Do you plug it with a Wire into the USB jack in the dashboard?

And is there any specific model that is compatible with the P99?
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To be closer to your lossless goal I bet the P99RS also plays AAC converted at close to 400 kbps. I run my P88RS with aac 380 kbps with a CD UB100 USB. Still lossy though but very close to CD quality. Space is cheap right?
I thought the p99RS could play wav trough USB? Too bad flac is not an option yet.
I guess FLAC compatibility would solve the issue easily. Flac sounds beautiful even on my computer........
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Are you sure that the WAV files are exact CD quality . I mean they take up alot of space so I assume they are but I did notice a difference as I mentioned above.

My CD songs just sounded as if they had more depth and punch . The WAV files of the same songs seemed to lack that and seemed more electronic.

If you are sure that it is an exact replica I do not mind purchasing the external hard drive USB maybe go for one with 3.0

Is the external USB option compatible with the P99. Do you plug it with a Wire into the USB jack in the dashboard?

And is there any specific model that is compatible with the P99?
When I used Foobar to convert 24/96 FLAC to 16/44.1 WAV, yes there was a difference when heard on good-quality headphones and on my home audio system. A little narrower stage width. Slightly shallower stage depth. Some loss of low-level details. But I don't have that many 24/96 FLACs to begin with.

When I used EXACT audio COPY in "Secure Mode" to rip an original audio CD to WAV, there was no audible difference both on headphones and on my home audio system. EAC is the defacto standard for converting "Red Book" CD audio to WAV.

So these WAV files are what makes it on to the USB hard drive that I use with my P99RS.

On another note, my friends and I have tested several USB 3.0 hard drives with the P99. Seagate, Western Digital and Samsung. All three will work as long as it is plugged directly into the USB lead of the P99 - not using the USB extension cable that comes with the P99. When this cable is used, the P99 was unable to read the USB 3.0 hard drive.

But USB 2.0 works every time.

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okay so then which are the 2 hu that play flac files?
There is/was a Sony Xplod HU that is able to play .flac files and for 2013, Kenwood is releasing, an entry level unit , that can play .flac files <-- download the catalog to see the HU #

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Thanks. I did exactly what you said. But used Switch Sound file converter to convert the Flac files into 16bit/44.1 wav files.

I still noticed a difference. Not as much as the 320kpbs songs vs CD.

Some people say its a placebo but I definitely heard a difference in CD vs. Wav.

I would say at most a 5% difference but it was still there.
There shouldn't be differences between flac and wav as both are lossless. You might want to check if both sources were played back with the same decibel level. USB is a different source from CD and the dB levels should be exactly the same to compare both. In most head units different sources can have different level settings. I know I can adjust each input on my HU.
But as a musical source signal it shouldn't differ. As long as both files are in the same format, for example 16 bit 44.1 khz.
Most precieved differences come from playing 2 tracks at a different dB level.
The loudest usually gets the vote.

If you take a 16 bit 44.1 khz flac, convert it to wav 16 bit 44.1 khz and back to flac 16 bit 44.1 khz the file should be exactly the same.

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Lossless is lossless independent on format

Lots of mp3 bashing here. I will post some data tomorrow on mp3 vs lossless and show you what the differences are by measurements!

Many downloaded mp3s are encoded with bad settings/codecs. Joint stereo is one of the things...

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Hmm..is this still a p99rs review/discovery thread?
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Didn't intend to post here...

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When I used Foobar to convert 24/96 FLAC to 16/44.1 WAV, yes there was a difference when heard on good-quality headphones and on my home audio system. A little narrower stage width. Slightly shallower stage depth. Some loss of low-level details. But I don't have that many 24/96 FLACs to begin with.

When I used EXACT audio COPY in "Secure Mode" to rip an original audio CD to WAV, there was no audible difference both on headphones and on my home audio system. EAC is the defacto standard for converting "Red Book" CD audio to WAV.

So these WAV files are what makes it on to the USB hard drive that I use with my P99RS.

On another note, my friends and I have tested several USB 3.0 hard drives with the P99. Seagate, Western Digital and Samsung. All three will work as long as it is plugged directly into the USB lead of the P99 - not using the USB extension cable that comes with the P99. When this cable is used, the P99 was unable to read the USB 3.0 hard drive.

But USB 2.0 works every time.

Well I converted directly to WAV format from the CD. The quality was a bit better than before but still not like CD quality. Better than when I recorded them into FLAC and then converted from that.

In EAC the wav tab....there are two options high and low quality cant seem to click the high quality one ...dont know what the issue is.......

thanks for the 2.0 hard drive heads up.......

think I might try foobar and see if I can get exact cd quality
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Hmm..is this still a p99rs review/discovery thread?
I have been using a p99 for the last 6 months and indeed have many queries on it which I will post later......just was trying to get some guidance from people who have converted their music to something portable without sacrificing any quality. With the 99 want to hear every note in my music to the fullest.
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I made a post about lossy audio formats btw:

Lossy vs lossless formats / audibility threshold?

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Is anyone else peeved that the display doesn't change colors like the trim of the knobs do? Why the hell wouldn't Pioneer make that an option?
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I have been using a p99 for the last 6 months and indeed have many queries on it which I will post later......just was trying to get some guidance from people who have converted their music to something portable without sacrificing any quality. With the 99 want to hear every note in my music to the fullest.
Wav will not sacrifice any quality as long as the ripping tool or transcoding software doesn't mess it up.

Take your favorite CD, rip it with something like the EAC (Exact audio Copy) ripping tool to wav. Burn the wav files to a CD-r and compare both CD's. That should give you your answer. Oh yeah, make sure someone other than you loads the CD's for that test so you don't know what CD is actually playing. That alone can make a very big difference!

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Is anyone else peeved that the display doesn't change colors like the trim of the knobs do? Why the hell wouldn't Pioneer make that an option?
not an issue for me. i think pioneer wanted to go the way of clean minimalism with the styling- emphasizing the sound quality rather than the glitz.

occasionally i see those double din touch screen units and think they do look pretty cool - and then i see my nice clean understated P99 in my dash and hear the clean amazing sound of the music and i realize there is no contest.

if i had to request some changes for the next version of the P99 here are some for starters-

*9 channels- sum the extra one for subwoofer duty. would really love a 3-way active front stage and rear full fill.

*double din with a larger, non touch screen display.

*integrated RTA with generator and programmable frequency curves

*bluetooth integration for enhanced remote tuning control via laptop, tablet or phone.

*state of the art DSP software ap with multiple dialog boxes and controls open for every network- one-page tuning- minimize the amount of menu steps / buried menus required for tuning

*integrated HD radio.

*front panel usb and aux access

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I was with you until you said front panel USB/aux input. I think that is the tackiest, cheap-ass thing ever on a HU. Nothing says high end HU like an add-on cable jutting out of the front of it.

I like everything else though.

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I was with you until you said front panel USB/aux input. I think that is the tackiest, cheap-ass thing ever on a HU. Nothing says high end HU like an add-on cable jutting out of the front of it.

I like everything else though.
good point- do the work and route the cable from the back, i agree.

but a nice clean SD card slot in the front I could live with.

i didn't think about this but i would like to keep the motorized display door even if it were a double din, half of it could open.
the card slot would be behind the display / door.

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Exactly what I was thinking. VW actual integrated the SD card slot very well on their OEM HU. Pioneer does as well.
Like you, of prefer it behind the face like Kenwood does. Alpine too, I think.

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not an issue for me. i think pioneer wanted to go the way of clean minimalism with the styling- emphasizing the sound quality rather than the glitz.

occasionally i see those double din touch screen units and think they do look pretty cool - and then i see my nice clean understated P99 in my dash and hear the clean amazing sound of the music and i realize there is no contest.

if i had to request some changes for the next version of the P99 here are some for starters-

*9 channels- sum the extra one for subwoofer duty. would really love a 3-way active front stage and rear full fill.

*double din with a larger, non touch screen display.

*integrated RTA with generator and programmable frequency curves

*bluetooth integration for enhanced remote tuning control via laptop, tablet or phone.

*state of the art DSP software ap with multiple dialog boxes and controls open for every network- one-page tuning- minimize the amount of menu steps / buried menus required for tuning

*integrated HD radio.

*front panel usb and aux access

props on the DSP software and bluetooth. BT would have been real handy for such a high end unit
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Wav will not sacrifice any quality as long as the ripping tool or transcoding software doesn't mess it up.

Take your favorite CD, rip it with something like the EAC (Exact audio Copy) ripping tool to wav. Burn the wav files to a CD-r and compare both CD's. That should give you your answer. Oh yeah, make sure someone other than you loads the CD's for that test so you don't know what CD is actually playing. That alone can make a very big difference!


Well I ripped the CD and played it back ......took a blind test.......had a friend do it......results I noticed a big difference.....the original cd still sounded way better......

the software used was Exact audio Copy.....Dunno I think I may just stick to using original cds have tried everything else
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