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I'm experiencing a little trouble with adjustments on my P99.

it sounds great, but i know it can get way better.
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you guys are catching the tail end of this one, if you have any questions please post. still running the P99, going strong and i use it constantly and it allows my system to sound incredible.

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I couldn't help but notice Stage 4 has lost a tab on the Pioneer USA website. And the P99 got a special mention in the Crutchfield flyer this week. And the head of Pioneer NA has resigned. I'm just wondering aloud.

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Question for you P99 experts:

Can you run a full bandwidth signal out of each channel (high, med., low)? Or do you have to work with the x-over parameters listed in the manual?

I'm mostly curious about running a quasi-active set up out of the high channel. It would be a HAT L4 bi-amped with their L1 using HAT x-overs. Is it possible to run a full signal out of the high channel out of the P99 and set a high pass of around 400Hz at the amp?

I'd want to keep the mid, low, and sw channels for something else. Just going over some system designs in my mind. I've checked out the manuals for the P99 and it is not clear to me if you can run full bandwidth signals out of the high channel.

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Question for you P99 experts:

Can you run a full bandwidth signal out of each channel (high, med., low)? Or do you have to work with the x-over parameters listed in the manual?

I'm mostly curious about running a quasi-active set up out of the high channel. It would be a HAT L4 bi-amped with their L1 using HAT x-overs. Is it possible to run a full signal out of the high channel out of the P99 and set a high pass of around 400Hz at the amp?

I'd want to keep the mid, low, and sw channels for something else. Just going over some system designs in my mind. I've checked out the manuals for the P99 and it is not clear to me if you can run full bandwidth signals out of the high channel.

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I believe you can just set the slope to flat and it will output full bandwidth.

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Question for you P99 experts:

Can you run a full bandwidth signal out of each channel (high, med., low)? Or do you have to work with the x-over parameters listed in the manual?

I'm mostly curious about running a quasi-active set up out of the high channel. It would be a HAT L4 bi-amped with their L1 using HAT x-overs. Is it possible to run a full signal out of the high channel out of the P99 and set a high pass of around 400Hz at the amp?

I'd want to keep the mid, low, and sw channels for something else. Just going over some system designs in my mind. I've checked out the manuals for the P99 and it is not clear to me if you can run full bandwidth signals out of the high channel.

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IIRC, the high ch has a fixed highpass applied. I believe 1kHz/6dB was the lowest you can go...

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IIRC, the high ch has a fixed highpass applied. I believe 1kHz/6dB was the lowest you can go...
Bummer! Can anyone else verify this? The manual says 800Hz is the lowest HPF you can apply. However, there is the PASS option for slope. Does choosing the PASS option for slope send out a full range signal out the high RCA's?

So, if someone was using an external processor, the P99 would only send a signal above 800Hz out of the high output?

Anyone else have any experience with this?
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i dont remember the exeact numbers, but i do know that there is a "defence" for the high output so that one will not accedentliy burn his tweeters.

can't you do your thing with the mid's output? they can play full range.
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I believe all outputs are full/PASS

manual shows 800 HPF
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If Pioneer dumps the P99 and doesn't announce a successor at CES I'm definitely going to pick one up, hopefully on sale somewhere.

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Question for you P99 experts:

Can you run a full bandwidth signal out of each channel (high, med., low)? Or do you have to work with the x-over parameters listed in the manual?

I'm mostly curious about running a quasi-active set up out of the high channel. It would be a HAT L4 bi-amped with their L1 using HAT x-overs. Is it possible to run a full signal out of the high channel out of the P99 and set a high pass of around 400Hz at the amp?

I'd want to keep the mid, low, and sw channels for something else. Just going over some system designs in my mind. I've checked out the manuals for the P99 and it is not clear to me if you can run full bandwidth signals out of the high channel.

Thanks!
Unfortunately not on the high channel- most likely built-in tweeter protection so consumers are not pissed off because of blown tweeters during the autotune function.
You are limited to 800Hz, 6 db / octave High Pass on the high channel. All others can be full pass.
I have my midrange with passive low pass / high pass to tweeter on the high channel.
Some very credible mobile audio experts believe that an 800Hz crossover between midbass and midrange works well with the typical lower door / upper door or a-pillar configuration. Hopefully they are right because with the P99 running rear fill 800 Hz is it.

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Unfortunately not on the high channel- most likely built-in tweeter protection so consumers are not pissed off because of blown tweeters during the autotune function.
You are limited to 800Hz, 6 db / octave High Pass on the high channel. All others can be full pass.
I have my midrange with passive low pass / high pass to tweeter on the high channel.
Some very credible mobile audio experts believe that an 800Hz crossover between midbass and midrange works well with the typical lower door / upper door or a-pillar configuration. Hopefully they are right because with the P99 running rear fill 800 Hz is it.
Bummer! Thanks for the info avanti. This is exactly what I was curious about.
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I'm about to install a p99, I can't decide if I want to do 2-way plus sub and rears, or just two way with sub.

Either way, I can use the 1st of outputs for highs correct?
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I'm about to install a p99, I can't decide if I want to do 2-way plus sub and rears, or just two way with sub.

Either way, I can use the 1st of outputs for highs correct?
I had my P99 running F/R/S and it is definitely no optimum. Mine has been sitting in it's box for over a year since removing it from my previous vehicle as I'm still looking for just the right amp & two way front stage speakers for my '12 Accord sedan. Also considering a band-pass vented through the sub grill so my trunk lid doesn't rattle. Spare $$ is limiting factor for now. IMO, if you want to run F/R/S, get a different, less expensive HU.

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I've finally found one to replace my 80prs. Can't wait to get my mitts on it!
Best get reading through this thread again

The 80PRS was great but I wanted to go 3 way plus subs. Was a toss up between the P99 & Clarion DRZ9255. Hope its worth it
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Owner of a 9887 who drive a modded supra and listen to rap/rock/dance music throught his Ipod... Will I see a benefit/upgrade with the p99rs !? Running active 2way if that matter.

Does the p99rs carry the same warmth sound as other Pioneer unit ( I had a p780mp a while back) vs my alpine ( more crisp/clear) sound ?
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By the way if one was to plug an ipod through the USB of the 99 would the sound be the same or would it be improved

I know it sounds crazy but last time I played some music through my cell and the sound was different even though I tried playing the same song 320kpbs quality recording on a cd and through my cell

so I never quite figured out why the difference?
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iPod/USB/CD sources are all identical. AUX-in however is not.

Can't remember, but ain't some of the "sound improvement" settings stored into different sources? So it remembers the settings for USB and one for CD etc etc. Could be wrong, otherwise it's probably the brain playing tricks on you. Everything is processed through the same DACs.

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iPod/USB/CD sources are all identical. AUX-in however is not.

Can't remember, but ain't some of the "sound improvement" settings stored into different sources? So it remembers the settings for USB and one for CD etc etc. Could be wrong, otherwise it's probably the brain playing tricks on you. Everything is processed through the same DACs.
Okay thanks for the input. however having such a sensitive hear i am 100% sure that the same song played from my phone through bluetooth and even usb is different quality than when i plugged in the ipod......

I would much rather like the pure sound from the 99 rather than have all these different media storages putting their own "spin" on things.
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Ok. If there is a difference and the settings remain the same - I have no clue what it could be. I've seen the test results on the USB/iPod vs CD and the inputs measured practically identical to each other. Since the same DACs are used to process both the USB and CD audio, the logical conclusion would be that they should be sonically identical to each other.

But I rarely even use any CDs. I store all my music on my iPod. Never thought of potential differences...

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Ok. If there is a difference and the settings remain the same - I have no clue what it could be. I've seen the test results on the USB/iPod vs CD and the inputs measured practically identical to each other. Since the same DACs are used to process both the USB and CD audio, the logical conclusion would be that they should be sonically identical to each other.But I rarely even use any CDs. I store all my music on my iPod. Never thought of potential differences...
x2. Maybe jitter, but there we are getting into the realm of ridiculous if we think a modern high end DAC is not going to reject it enough when connected to a modern high quality digital source (ie ipod). I'd say maybe a setting on the iPod itself is throwing things off. Or something is broken or it's simply sighted bias at work.

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Ok. If there is a difference and the settings remain the same - I have no clue what it could be. I've seen the test results on the USB/iPod vs CD and the inputs measured practically identical to each other. Since the same DACs are used to process both the USB and CD audio, the logical conclusion would be that they should be sonically identical to each other.

But I rarely even use any CDs. I store all my music on my iPod. Never thought of potential differences...
Okay I think the question I should be asking is whether or not any of this is real?

So I will try three different media storage files from three different phones including HTC, Samsung and iphone 5s and see if it is different from the ipod sound. Then I will try to test the same song in 320kpbs format on a normal usb as well as hear it on a cd and see what the results are.
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x2. Maybe jitter, but there we are getting into the realm of ridiculous if we think a modern high end DAC is not going to reject it enough when connected to a modern high quality digital source (ie ipod). I'd say maybe a setting on the iPod itself is throwing things off. Or something is broken or it's simply sighted bias at work.
reject it enough meaning that the ipod will take precedence or the 99 dac will reign supreme?

either way Am going to try the experiment detailed above
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reject it enough meaning that the ipod will take precedence or the 99 dac will reign supreme?

either way Am going to try the experiment detailed above
The type of DAC has an effect on the amount of jitter measured in the system. There are technologies implemented into it (such as ASRC in a Clarion DRZ-9255) that reduce the measured amount even if the main culprit is the digital source (ie CD transport, iPod, etc.). So the DAC helps reject the systems jitter.

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