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Exactly, DAC is a tiny part of the greater signal chain.



Weird that you could hear hiss with your P99. Maybe it was affected by something else in your electrical system? Mine picks up a weird noise when I first start my truck in the morning on cold days but then it goes away when it warms up. Might be my alternator but I am not sure.

Cool that you got to compare the two, but I am bummed Sony did not include any DSP. TBH, I don't really get the point of the GS9...$1500 for what amounts to an optical extractor for my phone is puzzling. Or am I missing the point of it?



Just try it for yourself, no matter how much you speculate on others' experience with gear you haven't heard, it won't advance your own personal opinion. And I am saying this in the nicest way possible, if you are really that interested in comparing them, you have to hear it for yourself. I wasn't expecting to hear a big difference but it was substantial. I was hoping I could keep my $250 80PRS and flip my 99 for a gain after scoring the deal of a lifetime on it. Build quality wasn't a big factor; I drive a chunky American Car with the cheapest plastic dash I've ever seen in a newer $40k+ truck, or else I'd have bought a G-wagen years ago.

So then people will say it's the tuning and not the DAC or the opamps or the DSP, etc. But as end users we can't customize individual components so we have to trust the manufacturer's sum of the parts. And that's where we hear the difference. Not the DAC or anything like that, but the entire package. And if someone doesn't hear a difference or thinks the P99 sounds worse, that's not wrong either and they're going to save $1k. But you still owe it to yourself to make the decision first-hand.

I agree with your phone straight to DSP statement. IMHO 90% of headunit funtionality became obsolete the moment you could put lossless and high-res music on a phone. What's missing is an easy to use display with intuitive controls that are safe to use while driving. That's one of my favorite things about the P99, it lets me change tracks in Spotify on my iPhone. I wish it did more in Spotify, but it's better than nothing. However, my patience with Apple has been short lately and the fact that the P99 is married to iOS sadly limits its lifespan. I like discovering new music while I drive so reverting to music on storage is not an option for me. Which is why...



...this and the Zapco HDR definitely have my interest. I have some friends working on another option that would put lossless wireless phone connectivity, DSP, and Hypex amps in the same small box. Potentially swappable amp modules too. Options like this are exciting and give me hope despite the SQ HU market having been dead for years.

I wonder if that HDR DSP is ever going to come - I spoke to John about it well over a year ago and he hasn't responded to my latest emails so I wonder if there is a issue there...

The Sony HU can be had for under $1000 now BNIB or lightly used you can buy a DSP PRO for $500 - you could have a decent combo for under $1500

The P99 is a dying product IMHO - as it is only cheap new cars have removable radios and that is changing as well.... the Sony will also have a similar problem - but with the Sony you could operate it in a remote location.

The future really is the DSP PRO.2 with USB input - use your iPhone or iPad as a source and your done - full DSP 32bit dacs etc no need to worry about where to fit your din sized source...

What's nice about the USB input is that it's like a independent source that is not dependent on the HU quality and you can have both OEM and USB

The reason why Sony didn't do a full DSP on the HU is because it would have a much higher retail price so they decided against it - guys are saying $1500 is too much can you imagine if it was $2200 with a DSP - nobody will buy it....

I suspect Sony will make a matching DSP - its the only logical next step...


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Definitely dedicated.
Why? Is there an established thing for these head units or something? I ran the 80PRS no issues on harness power/ground. I'm totally indifferent on either side of that topic so completely open minded. I can easily run a 16x2 from the distro blocks in trunk, since there's stuff I'd like to do while the carpet is up relocating some things etc.

So folks know, the topic was using harness power/ground or running a dedicated power/ground for the head unit. My distro is with everything else in trunk so there is a bit of length involved in that.

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Well yeah.

Funny I hadn't seen so many CD users still hanging on until I started attending the meets. Car audio guys still waving around optical donuts.

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Why? Is there an established thing for these head units or something? I ran the 80PRS no issues on harness power/ground. I'm totally indifferent on either side of that topic so completely open minded. I can easily run a 16x2 from the distro blocks in trunk, since there's stuff I'd like to do while the carpet is up relocating some things etc.

So folks know, the topic was using harness power/ground or running a dedicated power/ground for the head unit. My distro is with everything else in trunk so there is a bit of length involved in that.
Scott, I ran my power, ground and acc from the harness in the HHR with the P99. As you saw for yourself at finals, it played like a champ.

Great deck for what it is.

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Scott, I ran my power, ground and acc from the harness in the HHR with the P99. As you saw for yourself at finals, it played like a champ.

Great deck for what it is.
It did alright I guess. Even just running lowly CD's.

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So what is that bulbous goodie on the yellow Power run anyway?

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So what is that bulbous goodie on the yellow Power run anyway?
I think it is a coil of some sort. Not sure since I have not cracked one open.



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Or some folks are crazy enough to swap decks back and forth every week to have a different head unit and take the time to learn the difference :\
Yeah it's a tiny minute difference that is hard to put into words and putting sinewaves into them achieving the same insane results. I mean , a 69$ 280bt has a flat frequency responce. (If that's all you want) .....lmao but whatever, to each there own I do reckon as well.
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She's in. Sounds like a stereo.
Big question is better than the 80PRS? I think so. Fidelity seems better, fine details seem a bit smoother with less graininess. The output is definitely better, stage and image more detailed deeper. Less veiled. A tad warmer. Had to back off a smidge in the sub and midbass department. I attribute that to hotter preamp. I'll need to reevaluate the tune for tonality. Take that for what it's worth and might be "upgrade bias", but I'm really digging it.


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She's in. Sounds like a stereo.
Big question is better than the 80PRS? I think so. Fidelity seems better, fine details seem a bit smoother with less graininess. The output is definitely better, stage and image more detailed deeper. Less veiled. A tad warmer. Had to back off a smidge in the sub and midbass department. I attribute that to hotter preamp. I'll need to reevaluate the tune for tonality. Take that for what it's worth and might be "upgrade bias", but I'm really digging it.


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Bias or not as long as you're happy with the new addition.

I'm hearing stuff I didn't notice before. Since I'm running through a Helix DSP tune I already dialed in it's a decent comparison to what I had before with the 80PRS so I can assess it based on the same tune at least. I believe it's definitely an upgrade. I'd say the 99RS and Sony GS9 are the two best 1-dins currently available if you're running external DSP.


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For at least something objective I can confirm no issues with an iPhone 6 via USB.


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She's in. Sounds like a stereo.
Big question is better than the 80PRS? I think so. Fidelity seems better, fine details seem a bit smoother with less graininess. The output is definitely better, stage and image more detailed deeper. Less veiled. A tad warmer. Had to back off a smidge in the sub and midbass department. I attribute that to hotter preamp. I'll need to reevaluate the tune for tonality. Take that for what it's worth and might be "upgrade bias", but I'm really digging it.


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I couldn't put it into words like that, that about exactly what I felt about it too.

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I'm hearing stuff I didn't notice before. Since I'm running through a Helix DSP tune I already dialed in it's a decent comparison to what I had before with the 80PRS so I can assess it based on the same tune at least. I believe it's definitely an upgrade. I'd say the 99RS and Sony GS9 are the two best 1-dins currently available if you're running external DSP.
Greg I need that 'crickets' track. LOL!

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Yes sir, tried that. Now i have no lights at all and no sound. The face won't move down on eject or anything. Zero operation. Only a single red LED blinking on the face. I've searched for 2 days and can't come up with anything. Anyone seen this??? I'm going to take it out tonight and grab the DMM and see what i see. Any advice would be stellar.


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Yes, it happened to me recently too. Clean the contacts between the HU and the face. That should do the trick.

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Yes sir, tried that. Now i have no lights at all and no sound. The face won't move down on eject or anything. Zero operation. Only a single red LED blinking on the face. I've searched for 2 days and can't come up with anything. Anyone seen this??? I'm going to take it out tonight and grab the DMM and see what i see. Any advice would be stellar.
Mine did that too, it eventually started working again and I quit taking the face off at night , the hot/cold kept messing with it .

Since I stopped taking face off it's worked fine

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After some butt puckering disassembly testing, it appears the flex cable has a break in it. Ordered a one and will post my results.

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After some butt puckering disassembly testing, it appears the flex cable has a break in it. Ordered a one and will post my results.
Aha!!! I was thinking that but didn't want to speculate. Went through two Kenwood top of the line Excelons long ago with that issue. Might not be a bad idea to stock up on those. I'm definitely going to get a spare remote, except damn they're proud of those.

So how nasty of a tear-down was it, or was it just that you were in uncharted territory?

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Is there anyway to stop the main screen cycling from black to white?? I can't seem to find anything in the manual and it's a PIA at night!! Would rather it just stayed black background with white lettering...

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Probably "reverse mode". Should be in settings.

Have to enter those settings with Power off. Hold down .. some button, can't remember.

Function button?

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Probably "reverse mode". Should be in settings.
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How's the built-in DSP? Can you tune it as well as a good external DSP, say an ms-8?
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How's the built-in DSP? Can you tune it as well as a good external DSP, say an ms-8?
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