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I would say try it without the RTA first. A nice RTA curve can sound badly, and still need refinement by ear. So practice by ear. Start by switching off the auto-EQ and EQ to flat, and spend time finding the best crossover points and slopes, then level your drivers to come close to a smooth sound. You'll probably get pretty close with this and be left with a boomy upper midbass- then try some cuts centered around 250 or 300 Hz.

think in terms of slight adjustments- to levels, eq etc. i have gotten so used to my sound that i can tell when the rear speakers channels have been raised or lowered by 1-db.

i think you can do it it just takes time- also (unfortunately) you need to do it while the Car is running and moving- when it's parked you usually get too much bass because there is no noise cancellation. just be careful and keep your eyes on the road too.
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DO NOT try to EQ over the autotune's EQ settings.
Indeed... In fact, avoid using the auto settings at all (You never know what it does really, might boost 12dB at some dip caused by a mode lol?)

The harshness might very well have come from EQ boosts that clips the amp at certain frequencies, causing odd order harmonics (these sound nasty/harsh)

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When I was playing with auto eq and manual eq...

With auto eq ON, I change to memories (all flat presets) and there's a tonal change...
then nothing changes when I put auto eq to OFF while in all the flat presets...So are you sure auto eq is in effect when I use the manual eq?

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I read a lot about the "crappy" auto tune, and I have mixed opinions of it. With my crossover points, it is the actual definition of "meh". When I let it do the preset crossover points, all that changes and I get a huge stage with really nice results. With this, I would actually say it does a pretty decent job.

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Unfortunately, no algorithm built into "auto tune" function cant rival human ear, also all this functions are microphone placement and mic quality related, so imho you wont get your system to sound best as it could this way.

switch off all auto settings, defeat all eq settings, time delay set to zero. First use RTA to set your xovers, levels and phase relations between drivers correct as much as you can. Shoot for smooth RtA curve with aproximately 20 dB fall from 20Hz to 20000Hz. Big Dips or peaks try to correct with xo settings. After that make adjustments on Eq to smooth curve even more. Set TA for desired seating position - you can find a lot of precious info and how too's about this subject of tuning here on this forum. Readjust EQ if needed.....now you should have pretty good starting point to fine tune your system by ear .... probably only small corrections will be needed here and there to achive sound you are after. When correctly set, all geners of music should sound good and correct. I suggest that you switch to active, so you will have more options regarding fine tune your system.

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Mine should be here in about 12 hours depending on if USPS comes at their usual time. Want to hear a real bummer? I was looking at some previous sales of the ebay seller and I saw he sold 2 other units of this product within the past year and he accepted $750 and $800 from the "best offer" feature. That very feature was an option which I didn't try out of fear of someone else buying it first. God dammit -_- if shipping wasn't so annoying I could just return it, and buy it under a different name . (But whats done is done I suppose)
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When I was playing with auto eq and manual eq...

With auto eq ON, I change to memories (all flat presets) and there's a tonal change...
then nothing changes when I put auto eq to OFF while in all the flat presets...So are you sure auto eq is in effect when I use the manual eq?
auto eq is active on my deck when I do custom eq tuning. running my custom curve if I switch auto eq on, big change in sound.

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Sooo I got my p99rs today and will be installing it tomorrow. How exactly do you connect things if you are running passive fronts, rear and sub? (obviously sub goes to the sub amp.) I'll go active if I really must (as I have no problem with it) BUT I'm not giving up rear-fill as it does make a difference to me..
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Mid to Front and Low to Rear. Mid MUST be connected at all time and all others are just optional and can be turned off. I remeber the manual has some examples.

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Mid to Front and Low to Rear. Mid MUST be connected at all time and all others are just optional and can be turned off. I remeber the manual has some examples.
So I leave the highs rca outputs unused then?
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Correct. High is only for tweeter (and tweeter should only be used on that channel). I think the high pass cannot be defeated on that channel. In addition, the manual says that 10kHz+ will be played through that channel during auto TA/EQ. So anything connected to that channel other than a tweeter will not likely function properly. Similarly, putting tweeter in mid/low will likely destroy your tweeter during auto tune. The installation manual says so, so don't ask me why.

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I read a lot about the "crappy" auto tune, and I have mixed opinions of it. With my crossover points, it is the actual definition of "meh". When I let it do the preset crossover points, all that changes and I get a huge stage with really nice results. With this, I would actually say it does a pretty decent job.
no kidding, I always thought the auto network picked weird crossover points and wound up sounding worse than when you picked them first. sounds like it's worth a try though, thanks.

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Despite having my rear connected to the low rca they don't seem to be on. And i keep getting a bandpass error when i try to run auto eq too. :s
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Despite having my rear connected to the low rca they don't seem to be on. And i keep getting a bandpass error when i try to run auto eq too. :s
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If you're speaking about the setting screen where it shows sp connection with high, low and sub then i have high off and the rest on but it doesnt seem to fix my issue. Also when i did auto eq a few mins ago now i get a error: subwoofer
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Just reset audio data now its back at error: low band.
Edit: turned low rca off and tried the auto eq and it went through. Idk why the low aren't working.

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If I end up having to sell my rears (morel integra ovation 5.25 coaxials) then I'm going to sell my fronts (rainbow vanadiums 6.5" 2-way) And I'd probably get something REALLY REALLY nice for the fronts. But I'd like to figure out how to get my current setup running first..
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Do you bandpass your rear speakers? Can you post your settings?

And do you lower the gain on the amplifier on the rear channels?

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Do you bandpass your rear speakers? Can you post your settings?

And do you lower the gain on the amplifier on the rear channels?
I don't think so.
I think there's a problem with the wires or speakers because I reversed the rcas (rears to the mid channeL) and it still wouldn't work. I'm going to my audio installer (for more detailed projects than swapping a headunit) to see if he can figure the problem out.

Idk if he set eq's by ear or with equipment( I've only seen him do it by ear.) but I really want to set this thing the best I can. Besides the Dayton Mic the Original Poster mentioned a few pages ago, what else is needed?
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this is my setup for running RTA-

True RTA (i have the 1/6 octave version, the 1/24th is better though)
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I have narrowed my problem down to that it has to be a Wire I disconnected while removing my previous head unit. I've reversed the rcas, and tonight i reversed the Speaker wires in to the amp.

I FINALLY fiddled enough with the setting to where it sounds comparable to my previous setups best.

I was thinking about selling my rear speakers and getting some midranges but then I got Speaker fever and now I want to try out some hertz hsk 165's :S

It's cool trying out speakers and shit but god damn is it an expensive hobby/interest :[

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Okay so my problem is solved and the rears are up and running. I will probably end up selling them sometime soon for some midrange speakers and get some custom a-pillar pods made for relocating the tweets and mounting the midranges.
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Mine should be here in about 12 hours depending on if USPS comes at their usual time. Want to hear a real bummer? I was looking at some previous sales of the ebay seller and I saw he sold 2 other units of this product within the past year and he accepted $750 and $800 from the "best offer" feature. That very feature was an option which I didn't try out of fear of someone else buying it first. God dammit -_- if shipping wasn't so annoying I could just return it, and buy it under a different name . (But whats done is done I suppose)
If u have any info of the seller.
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Been lookin on the bay but nothing listed.
Message this guy to see if he's got anything eBay My World - ehoff12179 .


On a separate note, my installer is starting my project this week with modifying my door panels to have door pods to house my front stage in better locations and also to have spots for my 4" midranges I purchased. Going to have he doors deadened also. And lastly will be going active. Apparently the door modifications will take a while due to having to wait for things to dry and set.
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I found that if upper midrange (2-4kHz) is bright I would use a gap, 1.6k@6 and 4k@12, between mid and tweeter (I have tweeter on pillar), to smooth out the upper midrange.
I was just happening to re-tune my Car last week by playing with crossover points and tried something very similar to this (2 kHz @ 18 db / 4 kHz @ 18db )... sounded surprisingly good!

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