I've found that any but very extreme installations don't require separate access hole covers for the doors. That's mostly a holdover from the 100% coverage (or more) days when we needed something for the vibration damper to stick to. Most extreme installations aren't going to have drivers in the doors because of the inherent problems with that solution, so building access hole covers isn't going to have a lot of application. The objective is to install the CCF and MLV in a such a way that the trim panel will press it tightly against the inner skin. The CCF decoupling layer between the MLV and inner skin should produce very close to an airtight seal. The rigidity of the trim panel should stop the MLV from acting like a passive radiator.
I've been spending some time trying to wrap my head around why anyone would want to put dozens of holes in the doors of their daily drivers, cover up access holes, and add several pounds of extra materials just to seal up all the holes considering there's still going to be a number of holes in the door where the handle, lock, locking mechanism, drains, window channels, etc. are still present. I get the idea of making a baffle to block sound waves, but if rattles are a concern, then adding sheet metal just makes absolutely no sense to me... especially if you're going to be covering the access holes with CCF and MLV anyway. So thanks for clearing this up.
By the way, I've been meaning to email you about making a purchase. I'll be in contact with you soon. Thanks for the good info.
Thanks for the PM info. I have sent Don several emails with no reply.
Yeah, I don't know what's up with him. I bought over $200 worth of stuff from him, during which time he was fantastic. Since, I have tried to contact him with no response. Too bad. No one is as knowledgeable about the category as him.
Thought I'd stop in ans apologize again I am sorry that I've missed so many messages. I'm trying to find a solution but am really just up against the number of hours in a day. I'm trying to find a way to get the huge amount of content I have "almost ready" up on the site. That should reduce the amount of time I'm spending on e-mail. As it is now, I get about 50-60 new messages a day. Some are: "how much for this, this and that" which take about 10 minutes each. Some are: "This is what I'm trying to do" and they can take 10 30 minutes and some time multiple 10-30 minutes. 9-10 hours a day ain't getting it done and I still have 4-8 hours worth of packing, receiving, etc.
Here's a great example. A customer drove 5 hours each way to treat his truck. I almost never do these projects myself because they take so long. It was a crew cab I hadn't seen before so I wanted to do it. I also wanted to try an idea I had for the rear vents.
Anyway, I worked on e-mail for a few hours on Saturday. He arrived and we worked 12 hours Saturday and 12 hours on Sunday. After he left, I went back to the computer and had 207 new messages.
I'm probably going to have to shut down for a few weeks to try to get a handle on things. I don't want to raise prices to cover adding people to the operation and I don't want to just tell people to figure things out on their own without giving them the tools to do it.
I do understand how aggravating this must be. I don't want to conduct business on this or other forums, but if I've missed your attempt(s) to reach me, PMing you e-mail address will move you to the top of the line, unless that gets overwhelmed too - in which case I hope I've got things sufficiently automated to handle it
Don,
I along with many ...many others truly appreciate your personal attention. When business owners have this philosophy it is very reassuring to the consumer.
But the flip side is its alot for you to do and keep up with! Your efforts are appreciated!
Its too bad you couldn't have a database people could plug their info in and get specific quantities needed per area. Like a Crutchfield " what fits my car" thing.
Like plug in 08 Chevy silverado crew and you get x amount of cld, x amount of ccf, x amount of MLV for doors. X amounts for floor, rear wall, etc.
Then if they had application questions you could field them... surely that would weed out SOME of the emails.
Prob take a ton of time to log data for vehicles, and not sure of the price associated with adding it to your site.
But it'd sure be nice for you!
08 Chevy Silverado ccsb >>>Pioneer DEX-P99RS>>>JL HD600/4×2, JL HD1200/1>>>Rainbow cal28>>>Pioneer ts-s062prs>>> Rainbow w175 platinum>>>JL zr800>>>Diyma R12 ×4 sealed>>> lots of Second skin, Raamaudio, and knuconcepts
Don,
I along with many ...many others truly appreciate your personal attention. When business owners have this philosophy it is very reassuring to the consumer.
But the flip side is its alot for you to do and keep up with! Your efforts are appreciated!
Its too bad you couldn't have a database people could plug their info in and get specific quantities needed per area. Like a Crutchfield " what fits my car" thing.
Like plug in 08 Chevy silverado crew and you get x amount of cld, x amount of ccf, x amount of MLV for doors. X amounts for floor, rear wall, etc.
Then if they had application questions you could field them... surely that would weed out SOME of the emails.
Prob take a ton of time to log data for vehicles, and not sure of the price associated with adding it to your site.
But it'd sure be nice for you!
Appreciate the kind words. The irony is that I used to be a database/Web developer before I got into this crazy business. Anytime anybody gives me a list of measurements for a vehicle, I record it and store it in a loose leaf notebook
I do want to make to those estimates available as you described. Before I get to that I want to set up a series of pages that illustrate how to treat the different parts of a vehicle, factors to consider and how to translate the height and width of your doors' outer skin and trim panel, for example, into a product list - it really is just simple arithmetic once you understand the concepts involved. I'd like to at least present the hundreds of estimates I've done in static form.
The more I think about it, the more I'm liking the idea of shutting down for a few weeks to get the site into a more useful form. The current version was just meant to be a sort of temporary placeholder to gauge interest - 3 years ago now. I've just learned that one of my manufacturers has made a colossal blunder that may require that anyway
Don,
I along with many ...many others truly appreciate your personal attention. When business owners have this philosophy it is very reassuring to the consumer.
But the flip side is its alot for you to do and keep up with! Your efforts are appreciated!
Its too bad you couldn't have a database people could plug their info in and get specific quantities needed per area. Like a Crutchfield " what fits my car" thing.
Like plug in 08 Chevy silverado crew and you get x amount of cld, x amount of ccf, x amount of MLV for doors. X amounts for floor, rear wall, etc.
Then if they had application questions you could field them... surely that would weed out SOME of the emails.
Prob take a ton of time to log data for vehicles, and not sure of the price associated with adding it to your site.
But it'd sure be nice for you!
Ditto on the appreciate what you do part Don. Hopefully no one got too agro with you or took it personally! More likely, they know so well from others that you are THEE resource that they were just anxious to get the improvements us believers have all described!
just wanted to stop in to say that i treated my front and rear doors of my rav4 with the products from SDS. after putting the cld on the doors i hung a layer made of ccf-mlv-ccf, then put the panel back on that was also treated with cld. sandwiching the ccf and mlv like that made it very tight to get the panel back on, but it was worth it and the sound difference is amazing.
first off, the car just does not rattle. the interior is significantly quieter. i installed the new pioneer 8400bh along with polk components in the front and polks in the back. jl microsub with jl 700/5 amp in the trunk. the sound is light years better than stock. its pretty amazing.
the cldtiles went on very easily with a roller. i cut them very easily with trauma shears that i got from work (hospital). the ccf was easily cut with scissors and the mlv with a utility knife. overall the install was really easy and straightforward.
i would def recommend if you are putting in decent stereo equipment to invest just a little more time and money for the stuff from SDS.
Just checked out your website, Don. Great info on there. At first I didn't understand how your techniques and materials rendered better results than just covering the inner door skin with dynamat but after reading your tutorial it makes sense. Keep up the good work, you have another client here when the time comes!
So I just joined the forum in hopes to get in contact with Don here... Has anyone heard anything from him lately? I tried emailing him last month and two days ago and have not heard anything yet. Hope everything is alright, I'll be sending you a PM here as well Don.
So I just joined the forum in hopes to get in contact with Don here... Has anyone heard anything from him lately? I tried emailing him last month and two days ago and have not heard anything yet. Hope everything is alright, I'll be sending you a PM here as well Don.
I received a reply from him two weeks ago. His reply was pretty fast.
I failed to buy however, since international shipping was too much to take.
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