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Well, I live in L.A. so we've got Walmarts up the wazoo. I'll be sure to seal the MDF as well, but do you have a preference to your sealer? I'm thinking you're referring to the same stuff you use to treat decks for waterproofing.
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Well, I live in L.A. so we've got Walmarts up the wazoo. I'll be sure to seal the MDF as well, but do you have a preference to your sealer? I'm thinking you're referring to the same stuff you use to treat decks for waterproofing.
I use duplicolor bedliner. Look around the threads here and you will find all sorts of things people use. Seems the preffered method is to use cheap cutting boards instead of MDF, but I already had the MDF and have had no problem with moisture yet and this is not a "Nice Weather" area of the country.

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Should this do the trick on sealer? In the spirit of keeping things cheap...I will be using MDF since it's less than 10 bucks for a decent sized board at THD and cuts easily enough.
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WaterSeal 12 oz. Clear Multi-Surface Waterproofer-TH.010100-18 at The Home Depot
Should this do the trick on sealer? In the spirit of keeping things cheap...I will be using MDF since it's less than 10 bucks for a decent sized board at THD and cuts easily enough.
Why dont you just buy a cheap poly (non wood/glass) cutting board? Kill two birds with one stone....also easy to cut and likely just as cheap? Just as rigid too!
Pretty much all I use now
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Links? Just want to know what I should be looking for.
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Default Re: JBL MS-62c First impressions. These surprised the hell out of me!

EXactly as has been replied.
I used cld tile around the sheetmetal opening after removing the stock plastic baffle and speaker.
I also used multiple layered MDF 3/4 and 5/8 ,Glued ,clamped , sanded and then waterproofed with a couple coats of truck bedliner spray.
With the CLD tile overlay on the door sheet metal ,I further applied a 1/4 foam rubber "gasket" around the opening before attaching with heavy sheet metal screws (pre drilled).
I added a little more cld tile , but some prefer model clay (non hardening) around the baffle once mounted .
I like how the Cld tile buytl compresses under the Speaker mount surface , acting as a spring washer and ensuring it stays mounted.(dont overdue cranking the Speaker down.
Dead as a door nail where the speaker sits.
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Cutting board material is acoustically better than mdf. Duct seal is also better than clay since it won't ever dry out or melt.

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Would it be advantageous to run these with the aura whisper or fountek 88ex full range speakers or would it be better to pick up an sls6 or rs180 and go that direction?
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Would it be advantageous to run these with the aura whisper or fountek 88ex full range speakers or would it be better to pick up an sls6 or rs180 and go that direction?
What??????

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3 way active... this is a diy forum
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3 way active... this is a diy forum
Then why are you trying a pre assembled set?

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This set has many good reviews, people run it active and still find the price to be competitive, and adding a midrange/full range to a component set isn't necessarily a new practice. I was simply asking because I'd love to try these but I also really want to try three way so I'm weighing my options.
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So no one has an opinion or first hand experience tying these into a three way build? I'm more curious than anything else.
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I think a far better question to ask is this:
Why exactly do you deem it necessary to Build a 3way setup......What do you feel your missing or need to change/add? I dont see this set being a "great" start for a 3way. Unless you can fit a 6" (or the 5" set) as a midrange....
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Why exactly do you deem it necessary to Build a 3way setup......What do you feel your missing or need to change/add? I dont see this set being a "great" start for a 3way. Unless you can fit a 6" (or the 5" set) as a midrange....
These are looking very appealing to me in a 3-way (10's in the doors). Shallow mount with no pole vent in the mids look like a good recipe for the kicks. Plus the detail of a metal dome without the harshness... what's not to like?

Btw, what was the overall diameter & depth of the tweeter?

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Well as it stands I'll be running the ms8 with only a front stage for now while I sort out what to do for a sub. I like to try new and different things and one thing I was curious enough to do research on was the use of a full range Speaker to cover the majority or entirety of the vocal range. This is not something I'm dying to try or must do with this set in particular but I was curious enough to ask the question with people who have first hand experience. If I liked this set enough I might never change them out but that has yet to be determined.
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Well as it stands I'll be running the ms8 with only a front stage for now while I sort out what to do for a sub. I like to try new and different things and one thing I was curious enough to do research on was the use of a full range Speaker to cover the majority or entirety of the vocal range. This is not something I'm dying to try or must do with this set in particular but I was curious enough to ask the question with people who have first hand experience. If I liked this set enough I might never change them out but that has yet to be determined.

Using a widebander can work very well, many on here use them - myself included. Generally, the key is to get them as much on-axis as possible. I admit, there are times where I miss that top end sparkle from a tweeter, hence the reason I'm looking at this set.

FYI... Andy has mentioned using the MS-8 with a wideband driver without a tweeter isn't optimal.

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Well as it stands I'll be running the ms8 with only a front stage for now while I sort out what to do for a sub. I like to try new and different things and one thing I was curious enough to do research on was the use of a full range Speaker to cover the majority or entirety of the vocal range. This is not something I'm dying to try or must do with this set in particular but I was curious enough to ask the question with people who have first hand experience. If I liked this set enough I might never change them out but that has yet to be determined.
Well the reason why I mentioned I dont consider it an ideal beginning for a 3way set is because where it really shines is the midrange (imo). Midbass is adequate but could definitely be more robust....but that depends on your sub/system layout. It should be adequate in most situations. Adding a midrange to this set to me would be pointless? Midrange is great! Like Fish mentioned though....I could see it well with a 10" midbass (although I would probably shoot for the 5.25" set depending on mounting location)......
People seem to love the "sex appeal" of a 3way (hahahaha....yup, I said that front stage. Reality of it is pretty simple... A lot of cases its just not needed! More then that, more often then not people do more bad then good with it as far as the active aspect goes! Not saying it cant or doesnt have its advantages....Just saying that of the countless cars I have listened to.....the vast majority had taken steps backwards because of it. Dont get me wrong though....its fun to play. But it cost $ and takes time and eventually people get tired of that part. I advise doing the absolute most you can with the simplest setup.....more often then not, when done right, audio happiness is had Until you go to the "new threads" on here of course....then that damn bug takes over again?
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I love the KISS method, which is why I was looking at this set. But these ideas of using the ms8 to its full potential just keep running through my head. I guess I'll try these then think of something if I don't love them.
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i'm of the opinion that any good 2-way system can sound better as a 3-way. especially if the system is active where you can control crossover frequencies and slope- and where the midbass driver is mounted off-axis (front lower doors)- and where the midrange and tweeter will be mounted close to each other, high in the sound stage and somewhat on-axis.
when the midrange driver and frequencies have clear unobstructed pathways to your ears there is nothing like the clarity you can achieve with this installation fundamental.
a two way sounds good if not very good but a proper 3-way is in another league.

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From what rex said maybe a midrange isn't what i want, maybe I should look at putting an 8 somewhere to fill in the lower end if I find a gap to fill after trying them as is.
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Had enough funds laying around in my paypal account from previous gear sales short of $3 shipped from Savingslot....

Needless to say after following this review, I finally pulled the trigger. Now the next decision will be keep the set of Peerless XXL 830876 or go back with the dual HO 10" to mate. Hmmmm.... decisions, decisions.
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i decided to join the cult of ms-62c after my jbl p660c set decided to rip themselves apart(there has to be an engineering, or manufacturing, shortcoming concerning the surrounds on the woofers). the surround seperated from the cone more than 50% of the way around the cone on both woofers. not only on both of my woofers but also one of my roommates. that's 3 out of 4. and i also remember reading about another member posting this. shame on you jbl.
the tweets on these ms-62c are a wonder, i've only had these installed for 2 days now and i cannot stress enough how much better these sound than the p660c set. looking forward to dialing them in after the break in period.
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double post.

but again, i cannot believe how weak the surround must be on the p660c set. for shame jbl. not only did it seperate from the cone, but at one 3 inch stetch, the surround actually seperated from the basket.
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Wow! It's a good thing I decided to go upwards in tier. I almost went with the P660C. Thanks for the info!

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