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but again, i cannot believe how weak the surround must be on the p660c set. for shame jbl. not only did it seperate from the cone, but at one 3 inch stetch, the surround actually seperated from the basket.
Then having them warrantied shouldnt be a problem Or did you get them NON authorized (hence the issues?). You may even be able to upgrade to the MS on their dime? They are very good about warranty if you bought them legit.
What xover point were they high passed at? What was the Power (and from what) did you hear any warnings etc........?
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Just received mines. Nice looking drivers. Really has me pondering for the 27th for a sub to match aesthetically... As soon as I get my old laptop up and going (it's a dinosaur) I'm going to put it on the WT3. I'm surprised no one has done this and/or posted the results just out of curiosity. Perhaps I missed it.
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Just received mines. Nice looking drivers. Really has me pondering for the 27th for a sub to match aesthetically... As soon as I get my old laptop up and going (it's a dinosaur) I'm going to put it on the WT3. I'm surprised no one has done this and/or posted the results just out of curiosity. Perhaps I missed it.
It'd be cool if someone sent theirs to Erin to run on the Klippell (hint-hint).

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I got mines from Savinglots.com, but for only a few bucks cheaper ($172 shipped) I'd say it's not worth it. I didn't investigate (rushing like a kid on xmas) who I was dealing with. I received it, but didn't get a tracking number. Just as I was about to call & cancel the order, I got home & seen the delivery. For safety sakes & peace of mind (not to mention I don't know if they're authorized, doubt they are) I would just order from Sonic.
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It'd be cool if someone sent theirs to Erin to run on the Klippell (hint-hint).
I offered a few months ago. I also want to see how they compare to others he has done.

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I offered a few months ago. I also want to see how they compare to others he has done.
I think he only will test drivers he wants to see tested. I asked before when he was using DIYMA's klippel, he told me to check back in a month or so. So I did and he didnt even give me a response. Ant needs to get the klippel back in the hands of somebody that will actually use it alot for the community.

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I think he only will test drivers he wants to see tested. I asked before when he was using DIYMA's klippel, he told me to check back in a month or so. So I did and he didnt even give me a response. Ant needs to get the klippel back in the hands of somebody that will actually use it alot for the community.
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The inverted titanium tweeter seems to be the main factor for the positive reviews of this set. Does anyone know if it can be sourced seperately?
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Doubt that's going to happen anytime soon unless you can get them directly from JBL. At that point, you'd be better off buying a the entire comp set at the cheapest prices from a distributor then offing the mids/xover to offset the price. I'm sure JBL will be almost near that price since they are selling the GTO tweets for $99. By the time they start offering the tweets separately you may be able to find them elsewhere for about half... maybe. I just don't see that happening anytime soon since this is a tier below their flagship comp sets, but I could be wrong.
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I've got to add to the chorus of praise for this set. While they aren't perfect, they are darn good for people who want to install, set gains, and enjoy music and not have to go jumping through hoops trying to get a set to sound good. I'd bet my impressions would be much better if my tweeters weren't mounted so far away from the mids.
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I've got to add to the chorus of praise for this set. While they aren't perfect, they are darn good for people who want to install, set gains, and enjoy music and not have to go jumping through hoops trying to get a set to sound good. I'd bet my impressions would be much better if my tweeters weren't mounted so far away from the mids.
What do you have these installed in?
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I've got to add to the chorus of praise for this set. While they aren't perfect, they are darn good for people who want to install, set gains, and enjoy music and not have to go jumping through hoops trying to get a set to sound good. I'd bet my impressions would be much better if my tweeters weren't mounted so far away from the mids.

I wouldn't expect perfection from any comp set, but did you use any sort of DSP?
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Ok, finally got my WT3 running on my old XP desktop. Good thing I it kept around. Here's the results after several sweeps starting from successful calibrations. Keep in mind when using the WT3 actual cone diameter plus half surround (peak to peak) is used which yields roughly about 5" diameter for the MS-62c. This is not an oversized driver like the usual JBL comps. Since xmax is not given in the spec sheet it is unknown at this time.


SPL (1w/1m)= 86.53

RE= 2.952 ohms

Fs= 67.29hz

Qts= .6278

Qes= .7267

Qms= 4.614

Le= .6457 mh

Mms= 18.18 grams

Vas= .2451 cu ft

Xmax= N/A



All parameters check out in BB6 Pro and shows the driver to be more suited to vented enclosures which is obvious from the Fs/Qes ratio shown above. Sealed box with a Qtc of .707 is in .235 cu ft heavily stuffed with a F3 around 92hz. Won't bother with ported. I'll let someone else do that. Insignificant as we all know in Car audio, but figured I'd include that for anyone thinking about kicks. Also shows JBL's use of factoring in cabin gain. I've noticed this same thing before with a Diamond audio 5.25" comp set when tested. The driver's parameters suggested it was more suited for vented, but IB in the door it performed great with surprising amounts of midbass for it's size as compared to drivers more suited for sealed and seemingly IB. Just goes to show how we should not get hung up on parameters for IB, especially for midwoofers ran above Fs.

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Also, for anyone wondering about the tweeter's resonance, an impedance sweep shows a peak around 2800hz. The tweeter also registered at 3.9 ohms Typical for a small format metal tweeter, but speaks nothing of the actual dynamics of the driver. At least there's a starting point for active xover points.
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Got some play time with these puppies today since I finally have both installed. Decided to run passive with the tweets directly above the woofer behind the door card. I thought that would screw up imaging, but it actually enhanced it for me. Localization was difficult across the whole spectrum (think my new ported enclosure for my ID10 helped), midbass was dramatically improved, and the clarity! Oh, how clear my system is now.

I tested on various tracks like Romeo Machado and Satisfaction from the Focal discs, a couple soft rock pieces, and some electronic/EDM from Sander Van Doorn and Nero. Everything was played extremely well and I was absolutely gushing over the fact I was hearing new details in songs I hadn't previously heard. There's clear separation between picked notes on a guitar, the cymbal crashes are the most accurate I've heard from a door Speaker (attack and release were spot on), and vocals were buttery smooth. There were new basslines that were fiercely prominent and sounded like they came from an actual bass guitar instead of some half-assed attempts at notes.

I ended up putting a layer of CLD in between each metal/MDF and MDF/MDF surface as well as a ring of CCF weatherstrip between the Speaker ring and the midrange itself. Finally, I added one more layer of CLD to cover the CCF which overlapped the outer ring of the woofer itself. I feel this was the best method of creating a true IB environment without severe modifications and the payout is palpable.

No worries about harshness of tweets, even directly on axis (only on axis while wrapping up laying CLD on the doors). JBL scored a slam dunk in this regard. To make a metal dome that sounds so lifelike and accurate without being ear-bleeding harsh is a modern marvel IMO.

Final note was the natural accuracy of this component set. I noticed that my EQ curve when referenced with an RTA was significantly flatter than previous. I still had to make a couple cuts at 400Hz and 8Khz, but only at -4dB instead of a more severe -6 to -8 that I've had to in the past. Otherwise, everything else is pretty much flat from the get-go.

Definitely a believer in the MS62c. I can only imagine the benefits of going active with this set, but will be waiting quite some time before I make that step. Probably in the next vehicle...
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Got some play time with these puppies today since I finally have both installed. Decided to run passive with the tweets directly above the woofer behind the door card. I thought that would screw up imaging, but it actually enhanced it for me. Localization was difficult across the whole spectrum (think my new ported enclosure for my ID10 helped), midbass was dramatically improved, and the clarity! Oh, how clear my system is now.

I tested on various tracks like Romeo Machado and Satisfaction from the Focal discs, a couple soft rock pieces, and some electronic/EDM from Sander Van Doorn and Nero. Everything was played extremely well and I was absolutely gushing over the fact I was hearing new details in songs I hadn't previously heard. There's clear separation between picked notes on a guitar, the cymbal crashes are the most accurate I've heard from a door Speaker (attack and release were spot on), and vocals were buttery smooth. There were new basslines that were fiercely prominent and sounded like they came from an actual bass guitar instead of some half-assed attempts at notes.

I ended up putting a layer of CLD in between each metal/MDF and MDF/MDF surface as well as a ring of CCF weatherstrip between the Speaker ring and the midrange itself. Finally, I added one more layer of CLD to cover the CCF which overlapped the outer ring of the woofer itself. I feel this was the best method of creating a true IB environment without severe modifications and the payout is palpable.

No worries about harshness of tweets, even directly on axis (only on axis while wrapping up laying CLD on the doors). JBL scored a slam dunk in this regard. To make a metal dome that sounds so lifelike and accurate without being ear-bleeding harsh is a modern marvel IMO.

Final note was the natural accuracy of this component set. I noticed that my EQ curve when referenced with an RTA was significantly flatter than previous. I still had to make a couple cuts at 400Hz and 8Khz, but only at -4dB instead of a more severe -6 to -8 that I've had to in the past. Otherwise, everything else is pretty much flat from the get-go.

Definitely a believer in the MS62c. I can only imagine the benefits of going active with this set, but will be waiting quite some time before I make that step. Probably in the next vehicle...
Happen to have any pics of your doors?
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You're lucky I'm up early...they don't have any MLV/CCF yet, so bear that in mind.

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Hahaha. Thanks man.

Looks good! What kind of car/truck do you have them installed in? I got mine here sitting in the box. Installing them next month. Freaking pumped!
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They're in a 2006 VW Passat. Install was a PITA because VW did not make it easy, but the end results was superb. Good luck with your build, man. These, like the title of the thread says, surprised the hell out of me.
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Oh I certainly plan on sharing my thoughts as well. More then excited though!
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I went to order these after xmas and now the places with the best prices are on backorder
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My p900.4 and ms-62's showed up on Friday.

The way the Jaguar xj6 is built, Speaker mounts are on the door card instead of the inner door skin. the over all O.D size is much bigger than the factory 6.5's. After some dremel work and 1/4 Speaker ring to give some clearance to the speaker surround, these guys got mounted nice n tight. The doors need some deadening treatment but for the most part solid.

I ran them active with the gains set to 12' clock on the mids and tweets. mids are crossed at 63hz to handle songs like off Nirvana's In Utero Album, Rage against the machine's Evil Umpire album and of course a favorite of mine, RHCP's Californication album. Rap music pretty much falls in this slope also.

Some songs I can bump down to 50hz and sometimes 40hz with the likes of Pat Benatar's Love is a battlefield and Blondie's Girls just wanna have fun. Same goes for the majority of The Beatles work.

As for the tweets, they are currently low passed at 2 hz along with the mid's high pass at 2hz also. I'm still fighting with how low or high to pass the tweeters. I have had them at 2500 and even 3100 hz. I'm still undecided but 2hz is fine for now till I get some more listening time in. On Nirvana work, I have had to turn the tweet levels down -2 on the deck to tame the highs when he just goes berserk at the end of some songs off "Live at the Reading festival.

I'm looking forward to playing Smashing pumpkin's Mellon Collie and the infinite sadness album to hear some piano and some more subdue clearer tracks like 1979 to possibly dial in the tweet crossover alittle better.

The amp is rated 145 per channel and they pack a good punch for the sane listener. Beware, I'm testing the limits of the mid as I have had it down to 50hz testing some slopes and cranked up at 24-25 on my Alpine 9887. I had a slight coil smell start to fill the cabin and backed off to 63hz quickly and it went away.

Overall, I'm very pleased with my purchase including the amp. I had a discus 4125 before this one and the ppi with it's much smaller footprint barely register's a lukewarm temp compared to the Discus registering a temp much closer to the phoenix sun during similar time trials.

Thanks guys!

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