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Which car CDT? If you can I'd run the tweeter in the sails on axis. The ES-02 as near to the tweeter as you can, off axis doesn't matter here as long as you keep the crossover between the two to 3-3.3kHz/24dB. And then highpass the ES-02 no lower than 800-1kHz/24dB. I know it says it can run lower, I know people run it lower, but that comes at the expense of output and/or clarity.

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Which car CDT? If you can I'd run the tweeter in the sails on axis. The ES-02 as near to the tweeter as you can, off axis doesn't matter here as long as you keep the crossover between the two to 3-3.3kHz/24dB. And then highpass the ES-02 no lower than 800-1kHz/24dB. I know it says it can run lower, I know people run it lower, but that comes at the expense of output and/or clarity.
don't laugh. It's my daily driver. A 1995 Camry. It's old, but it's reliable and paid for.

Are you saying to run the ES-02 in the sails? I was concerned about it not blending and leaving a hole in the soundstage if I move it too far from the mid/bass. Another issue is that it needs a few cubic inches of space behind it and the sail wouldn't provide that unless I mount the pod up there. I guess if I cross it over higher, it won't need much.

For crossover setup, the headunit has the options below (copied from the manual). I could also use the crossovers on the amp, but it only has 12 db slopes.

5 Turn M.C. to select the cut-off frequency
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Low LPF: 25—31.5—40—50—63—80—100
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Mid HPF: 25—31.5—40—50—63—80—100
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Mid LPF: 1.25k—1.6k—2k—2.5k—3.15k—
4k—5k—6.3k—8k—10k—12.5k (Hz)
HighHPF: 1.25k—1.6k—2k—2.5k—3.15k—
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I really dont think the cdt will add anything and you should just keep it from 80-2.5 on the mids and 2.5 or 3.15 up 2 way.


I really have a feeling this tweeter isnt meant to crossover any lower. The cdt mid/tweet seems like an unnecessary addition.

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I don't know the Fs. But I am using 24db slopes. So if the JBL passive is 2.5-3.15KHz 12db then it's about the same in terms of F3.

I am not advising a crossover point, just stating my experience. I have zero problems with them at that point at high volumes, but I'm not going for max output. At most 3/4 volume.

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Thanks guys. I'll try it w/o the CDT tweeter first. Maybe I'll experiment withe them as an upstage setup where they are mounted on top of the center of the dash.

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I wonder if any od the big box stores sell the JBL's. Seems like nobody in the phoenix area sells anything I want anymore! Pretty sad considering this was once the home of car audio
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I wonder if any od the big box stores sell the JBL's. Seems like nobody in the phoenix area sells anything I want anymore! Pretty sad considering this was once the home of car audio
I looked around several places like, Fry's, Best Buy, etc to audition these JBL's, as well as the Pioneer 80-PRS. The stores didn't carry either one.
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Audio Express sells them, I called to see if they had any...sure enough, so I ask the price before heading down......I about fell over and had to ask if he was quoting the right set.... 399.99
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I bought a set 2 weeks ago from ebay. It was a buy it now for $175 with free shipping. I believe it was from audio-club. It was packed well and the box looked like new when I got it. They also added a 2 year warrany.

Here are some current listings.
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man these things look good!! any body else wanna chime on this set?
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I am resisting the urge! Lol
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ya i am gonna pull the plug on them this weekend if i dont fond anything else.
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Got mine in and have been listening on my desk for a few days now. I can see what everyone is talking about. Guitars and percussion simply come to life on these components. It's amazing how much better they sound compared to other sets I've used.

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Got mine in and have been listening on my desk for a few days now. I can see what everyone is talking about. Guitars and percussion simply come to life on these components. It's amazing how much better they sound compared to other sets I've used.
What other sets have you used?
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yup gonna do it!!!!!! now to find the cheapest set i can find!
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What other sets have you used?
Pioneer TS-A1702C, Pioneer TS-A1604C, Massive Audio CK6, Diamond Audio S500A, Diamond Audio M661, JL Audio C5-650, JL Audio C3-650 (the JBL tweeters are very similar to these, but have a bit more detail on percussion), Rainbow Germanium (the ability to recreate music in a lively manner on these JBL's remind me of the Germanium mids), and Morel Hybrid Ovation 6 II.

For reference, I like the JL Audio C3 tweeters better than the C5. But I liked the C5 mids better than the C3's. I compare everything to the Germanium mids, as they are one of the most detailed sets I've ever used.

I can't compare the MS-62c to the Germanium tweeters, or the Morel set, as they were in a different league. Sorry, but it's true. First set of Morel's I've ever had, and won't be my last if I can help it. And the Germanium tweeter just played looooowwwww.

But these JBL's are making a believer out of me that there are excellent component sets available for halfway decent pricing. Really got the itch to get these installed and start enjoying them.

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I haven't played with the tweeters yet. Just the woofers. I hooked them up to an amp on my kitchen table; mainly to test the amp. I bought it used from Amazon and wanted to make sure it didn't have issues before I have had a chance to install it. On one channel, I connected the JBL. On the other, I connected a CDT CL6 that I have had since 2004. I played with the LP and HP crossover on the amp to see how the speakers would sound without being out of their comfort zone.

What I like about the CDT
1. - More efficient. I had to turn the balance over to favor the JBL by about 6 db to get them to put out about the same volume.
2. - Even with the crossover set the same, the CDT favored the highs more.
3. - Obviously clearer. There was more detail and seperation between the instruments. In comparison, the JBL sounded muddy.

What I liked about the JBL
1. - It seemed to have a warmer sound. The upper bass is stronger.
2. - It seems to play a little lower.
3. - It handles a tad more power without rattling.

Both of the woofers were just running open air with no baffle. I would hold them about a foot away from my face. When I held them up next to a 12" subwoofer, the JBL blended better with it.

At this point, I am not sure which one to go with. Maybe I'll mount one in the left door and the other in the right to see how they perform in the car.
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What were the crossover points and slopes you were using?

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What were the crossover points and slopes you were using?
The slope is 12db. It's variable between 50hz to 4Khz. I would play with it at different points. The CDT didn't seem to complain if I took it all the way to 4k. It would handle the mids nicely. I lowered the crossover down about halfway or more to see if the JBL was breaking up and making it sound muddy. It helped, but it still didn't play as clearly. Maybe I am being picky. I bet once I get them installed I won't see much difference.

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these seem hard to pass up. i hade the ck6 massive comps played with them while and they where nice for price. i hope these jbls sound better then them.
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Dooo eeet...

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Titanium tweets scare me a little but I would trust JBL over many brands to get it right.
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I am one of the biggest anti-metal tweeter advocates out there... but these are superb.

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I am one of the biggest anti-metal tweeter advocates out there... but these are superb.
Would the front channels of the GTO-3EZ be enough power? Its rated at 50x2, i don't listen to music near as loud as i used to.
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Definitely. I have 60 x 2 at 12.5V and I'm not going all the way up with it. I'm sure with a conventional crossover point they would take more but they are plenty loud for me.

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