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i would like to know how these compare to the P660C as well...
About a month ago I ordered the p660 because the ms set was at 250 on sonic and about the same on amazon.
Last week i ordered a set of the ms. Just got them in today and there is no comparison.
The ms kills everything about them. The 660's sound good, lots of midbass but the ms is just an all around better set of drivers.
Extremely detailed and to everyone worried about the sensitivity of the ms....Don't.
With 75 watts a channel ran active these things will run you out of the car before they start to break up. Something that i can not say about the 660's.
These things really are great!
Oh and there down to 179 on sonic with free shipping.

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I have a question... I hooked mine up to my new Kenwood just last night and tried to mess around with the settings to fix it but I couldn't..
Any music I play, the highs are piercing and I can't get them to tone down. And some music I play makes it sound like the tweeters are blown.. I've tried every setting on the deck and messed around with the passive crossovers a bit to no avail.
I have high quality tunes, 320kbps.
I have no amplifier.

Any ideas?..
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I have a question... I hooked mine up to my new Kenwood just last night and tried to mess around with the settings to fix it but I couldn't..
Any music I play, the highs are piercing and I can't get them to tone down. And some music I play makes it sound like the tweeters are blown.. I've tried every setting on the deck and messed around with the passive crossovers a bit to no avail.
I have high quality tunes, 320kbps.
I have no amplifier.

Any ideas?..

An amplifier will allow you to have smoother sound at louder levels and will improve your mid bass. You can try to position the tweeters a bit off-axis. Play with tweeter positions. Use the EQ on your head unit aswell to get the sound you're looking for.

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An amplifier will allow you to have smoother sound at louder levels and will improve your mid bass. You can try to position the tweeters a bit off-axis. Play with tweeter positions. Use the EQ on your head unit aswell to get the sound you're looking for.
I've already done all that.
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I agree, an amp could help. This does not sound like an eq or tweeter attenuation problem. More so like the mids need more power to get to a level to keep up with the sensitive tweets. One thing you can try is to cover the tweeters with grill cloth to compensate for this. The broken tweeter sound may be clipping; if this is true then its not fixable without an amp. Make sure the doors are sealed well to improve the mids response.

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If you evaluated them in a quiet environment and they sounded that way, then it is definitely not power related. A mere watt will get you fairly loud in that situation.

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Wait, so is it or isn't it related to that fact that I dont have an amp?..
Ill have to give the cloth thing a try
The tweeters just sound like shreaking.. I don't know how to explain it but they don't sound good...
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And there is an occasional radio static type noise in there.. I grounded it to the body too.
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And there is an occasional radio static type noise in there.. I grounded it to the body too.
Wait...What? What did you ground?

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Wait...What? What did you ground?
The deck
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Whew, I thought you were talking about the speaker.

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Whew, I thought you were talking about the speaker.
Know kidding...I did too.

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Sooooooo Has anyone used the angle mount for the tweeters? I f you have have you tried to remove them yet?
And if you have removed them how in the hell did you do it?
Cause from where i'm sitting if you screw the mount to a panel then press the tweet into it theres no way to get to the back of it to push out.
I have not mounted them the way i would like to yet for this reason.
Honestly i feel kinda dumb right now. The manual didnt say anything about removing them.

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The flush mounts are twist in and the angle mounts are just push in. Just take 2 narrow screwdrivers, push them into each hole, and apply pressure evenly to push it out. Or use 1 screwdriver and go from one hole to the other applying pressure.

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The flush mounts are twist in and the angle mounts are just push in. Just take 2 narrow screwdrivers, push them into each hole, and apply pressure evenly to push it out. Or use 1 screwdriver and go from one hole to the other applying pressure.
Ya, I understand that. But once mounted those holes on the back are not going to accessible.
So once you press the tweeter into the angle mount thats screwed down how are you going to get to the back of the mounting cup to push it back out?
Even if you could manage to get a small screwdriver or something in there you cant get the right angle on it to push the tweeter out of the cup.
It's a pretty tight fit too you know.

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Ah. Didn't think of that...mine are still in Velcro stage. lol.

I would of used a bolt instead of a screw. But it seems you are already past that; I guess you need to experiment with pulling at the grill with equal pressure. Maybe use fishing line and run it through 2 or more holes that are opposite of each other then pull. Take the line and run it down a scissor edge to get it to curl so it can be "fished" in and then out of the grill.

Seems like a design problem, or something I am missing.

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use a very small ice pick type tool. a very fine point will allow you to pull the grill off. from there you can use that same tool to pull out the tweeter.

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I haven't thought about the fishing like and yes it seems like quite a big design flaw as well.
There has to be a way to properly do this that I'm just seeing right now.
I would've been really messed up earlier if I would've not had to pull the wire back through when I noticed it earlier.
I was all set to mount it on the sail and was what the hell I cant do this. I'll never get it off.
I'm going to pm andy and see if he knows what to do. They did come double sided tape but I am looking for something with a little more sturdiness.

Just fill in the blanks. I'm on a new phone and well its going to take alittle getting used to

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use a very small ice pick type tool. a very fine point will allow you to pull the grill off. from there you can use that same tool to pull out the tweeter.
Maybe they fit damnable tight though. Its hard to push them out I don't wanna put a hole in the thing you know. Just to be clear I caught the situation before pressing the tweeter in.
I would just really like to use these monuts but still be able to dismount if I want.
Crazy yet effective design I guess

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well the tip of the pick needs to be smaller than the holes of the grill. for me, I have an old dentist cleaning tool. it's like an ice pick on one end and the other end is bent 90 degrees. it will slide in a grill hole just enough to pull it off....i promise it will work

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well the tip of the pick needs to be smaller than the holes of the grill. for me, I have an old dentist cleaning tool. it's like an ice pick on one end and the other end is bent 90 degrees. it will slide in a grill hole just enough to pull it off....i promise it will work
I have a....dissecting kit that has the same little tool in it.
I actually used it this afternoon in the exact manner your talking about.
The bad news i dont think i like these. I know everyone is raving about the tweeter but i dont think it's gonna work out for me.
I'm using the passives right now just to see what jbl thought they should like.
Bridged with 250 a side and the tweet really isnt loud enough for me and running them active i cant seem to get to the level right.
I've already ordered a pair of dls ultimate tweeters. Reason being I freaking love them and sonic had them for 60 bucks a pair.
I'm going to run the jbl's for a bit to see if they need to "break in" or whatever but generally speaking i know if im going to like something or not within the first couple of hours of tuning.
IDK just kinda let down by the tweet. I had high hopes

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You think 250 on tap is to much? I didnt see any kind of power limiter for the tweeter on the passive's.
Maybe theres to much juice there and it's being redirected to the mid? The midbass is GREAT with that power though.
The damn things will blur my rearview crossed at 60 with 24 db slope. So thats good.

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The tweets weren't loud enough for you? holy crap! how loud do you listen to your music?

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The tweets weren't loud enough for you? holy crap! how loud do you listen to your music?
that's what I'm saying. I don't know what's going on imam switch from network to normal in the morning and see if it makes a difference.
Shouldn't though I.set the mid low pass to pass. So it should be the same. Right?
If not and it the p80 is cutting the highs even with no lowpass on the mid.....its coming out.

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I have a question... I hooked mine up to my new Kenwood just last night and tried to mess around with the settings to fix it but I couldn't..
Any music I play, the highs are piercing and I can't get them to tone down. And some music I play makes it sound like the tweeters are blown.. I've tried every setting on the deck and messed around with the passive crossovers a bit to no avail.
I have high quality tunes, 320kbps.
I have no amplifier.

Any ideas?..
You ever get this figured out? You sure you don't have the leads from the crossover to the tweeter/mid switched up?
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