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Default 6"-7" Mid-Woofer Subjective Listening Test (RESULTS PDF ATTACHED IN 1ST POST)

Finally, the test you have been waiting for is finished. Before you read the results I would like to give you some insight. As with the first Ultimate Midrange Test, this was intense with much help, research, and time devoted. Many of you were grateful for my efforts and I have received numerous requests for more qualified reviews of this caliber. I know many of you have been wondering why i went to such an effort to give You magazine quality results. It's because I have been wanting to start a quality publication for the mobile audio industry for some time. I truly love this industry and for many it's a passion. In the coming months we will be releasing more details and the first issue to follow which will include this test amongst others. Please respect my efforts and read the whole article in its entirety.

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I think I'm about to pass out with anticipation...

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Am i missing something or are these not the results? lol and your page has 1 more like

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I haven't fully read this yet; just did a quick cursory read through it. some results are a bit surprising, others aren't.

scan speak 18wu as a pack leader. glad to see my praise held up in this testing.

the 18sound's results are surprising, given everyone's love for it. I've yet to really look at data for it and still have yet to test the one donated for this particular test.


great work, Jerry. from what I've seen, the attention to detail is excellent and the data really helps provide a strong technical aspect to a subjective listening test.

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WOW, I got some questions, ... Hey the L6se is not a tier 1 driver?

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DAMN GOOD WRITE UP!! Thank you so much for putting forth your time and effort. Thanks for securing my Scan Speak/Anarchy setup. (knew they would both do great in the test haha)

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Nice, I actually guessed that the Anarchys would end up at 4th place or so. I thought some of the tested would end up higher. Scan 18WU and the Exodus would be the top performance vs price in this test I guess. Thanks for all the work you put into publishing this, looking forward to the details later on

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Will check this out in a bit. Thanks for all the hard work guys.

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Very nice write-up! Too bad the revelaters didn't make it into the test. I bet they would have ended up high too based on Zaph's testing.
And how about that Anarchy! Great reading!

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Thanks Jerry for the efforts to conduct the test and put this summary together. Question tho... what if you're one of the 1% (people not on FB). Anywhere to get a PDF of this?

I've owned 4 of these drivers (Scan, Phass, Pioneer, HAT), and I'd agree with the results, except I'd put the Pio mids above the HAT's.
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Jerry,

I hope that you and your family are feeling better. And I want to congratulate you for producing an excellent...no, OUTSTANDING write up. It is very well-written and organized, and both the subjective impressions and the data were presented in a very clear, easy-to-read, informative format...love the inclusion of the bar graphs! I know that you needed to keep the subjective impressions short and sweet, but I wish that there would have been a bit more descriptive analysis for some of the drivers (gotta complain about something!).

I apologize to everyone here if in fact the Seas drivers were defective in any way. I had a suspicion that something might have been "off" after seeing Erin's Klippel results. I would have expected slightly better results after knowing how Zaph rated them and many others' impressions. Regardless, I doubt it would have changed the results more than a single tier in their performance rating, and I am very appreciative for having them included in the test for comparison. You have to have something bad to compare the good to.

I would be happy to "like" your Facebook page, however I am not a member and do not plan on signing up due to their privacy and content/copyright policies (I am a professional photographer). So consider one more "like" even if it's off the record.

I may be missing it because I am not a Facebook member and not able to sign into the site, but my only major dissapointment in the article is that nowhere did I see a reference or even mention of the DIYMA community forums and/or that this test was for the most part organized, and contributed to, by its members. In addition, nowhere did I see a link or reference to Erin's site, contributions, and/or his work regarding the Klippel tests and results.

Otherwise I am extremely pleased by the quality and caliber of the actual testing and your write-up. THANK YOU to all who contributed their drivers, time, and money to make this test a reality!

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I may be missing it because I am not a Facebook member and not able to sign into the site, but my only major dissapointment in the article is that nowhere did I see a reference or even mention of the DIYMA community forums and/or that this test was for the most part organized, and contributed to, by its members. In addition, nowhere did I see a link or reference to Erin's site, contributions, and/or his work regarding the Klippel tests and results.
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Don't shoot the messenger. Jerry asked for people to contact him directly if you can't access the report via Facebook. This is his baby, so I hope people respect his wishes, regardless of how much of a (temporary) bind it may put you in.

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I apologize to everyone here if in fact the Seas drivers were defective in any way. I had a suspicion that something might have been "off" after seeing Erin's Klippel results. I would have expected slightly better results after knowing how Zaph rated them and many others impressions. Regardless, I doubt it would have changed the results more than a single tier in their performance rating, and I am very appreciative for having them included in the test for comparison. You have to have something bad to compare the good to.
FWIW, I don't think you had a defective (or two) driver at all. Nyugen's test back in 2005 yielded the same LSI curves; though the numbers were a bit different (yet, still the xmax values were the same). I think you got legitimate drivers. They just happen to not perform as well as we all had thought/hoped. Of course, consider the design is still pretty old (in relative terms).

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Jerry,

Thank you for undertaking all of this. I'll admit that I'm actually not one bit surprised that my 660's wound up in the middle of the pack. Out of the box, they DO have a very mellow and rolled off bottom-end (which your comments seem to point to being the largest drawback). Luckily, my 6to8 can apply a shelf filter in the crossover section and knocking down 80hz and up by about 6db's really brings these things to life. Erin's testing shows JBL underrates their excursion numbers and I took advantage of that by extending the low-end response through equalization.

Please don't take any of my above comments as contradicting your results for the 660. I honestly agree with them. I simply wanted to share that with the proper setup and some EQ work a driver that doesn't perform perfect "out of the box" CAN still do VERY WELL. In the case of the 660's, I personally believe they can hang with some of the Tier 1 drivers you tested...which is why I still rock them! Thanks again!!

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Jerry,

I don't want this to be an excuse for people to copy or post a separate PDF of your article against your and this sites' wishes, but it is my understanding that technically you no longer own the copyright to this work since you have posted/hosted it via Facebook. You might want to read Facebook's privacy policy and terms of service to confirm/deny this.

Just a head's up. ...and you are welcome to delete this post. I will contact you for a PDF or your photobucket link.

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Thanks for the test, but I wonder about the results...some are quite contrary to my experiences.
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Finally, the test you have been waiting for is finished. Before you read the results I would like to give you some insight. As with the first Ultimate
Midrange Test, this was intense with much help, research, and time devoted. Many of you were grateful for my efforts and I have received numerous requests for more qualified reviews of this caliber. I know many of you have been wondering why i went to such an effort to give You magazine quality results. It's because I have been wanting to start a quality publication for the mobile audio industry for some time. I truly love this industry and for many it's a passion. In the coming months we will be releasing more details and the first issue to follow which will include this test amongst others. Please respect my efforts and read the whole article in its entirety.

In order for me to proceed down this path, I need your guys help. The results for this test are accessible via my facebook page. Please “like” my page. This will give me an accurate count going forward of the demand, giving me valuable information to be able to start this new publication.

Thanks again for being patient and a special thanks to all the members who donated their time, money and/or drivers for use in this test. Enjoy!

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To all who have used my FaceBook to read this....thank you! One member has already made a .pdf and tried to post a link. I have my reasons for not doing this as a .pdf and they are clearly stated above. Anyone who wishes to try this again will not only have the post and link removed, but will be subject to any and all copyright infringement penalties available by law.

Contact me if you don't have a facebook account and don't want to create a facebook account and I will direct you to my photobucket account. I really want everyone to use facebook, if possible.
Wait, you're in Omaha??? I'm here this weekend visiting my daughters.

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