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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

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Wait.....what?


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"They are great off axis but only left right, or up down depending on which way you point the grill."

Oh good! I thought it was me.

How many times did you read it?
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Oh good! I thought it was me.

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Three.
The only axis missing in that sentence is in/out.


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"They are great off axis but only left right, or up down depending on which way you point the grill."


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Three.
The only axis missing in that sentence is in/out.


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Since every axis was covered except for 1, I think its safe to say he thinks they sound terrible no matter what.
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They are great off axis but only left right, or up down depending on which way you point the grill.

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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

im confused.....or was there sarcasm there?

but seriously what mounting options do they come with? or could you fit the tweeter in a pvc end cap?

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Default PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

It's hard to explain. The tweeters have a wide dispersion, but not a tall one. If you rotate the tweeter it will have a tall but not wide dispersion pattern. If you look at the grill you can see kinda what I'm talking about.

For mounting the outside of the housing is threaded and it comes with a lock nut to attach it. In my truck I mounted them in PVC fittings and drilled and tapped it for set screws to hold them
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That sounds like typical ribbon dispersion. It will only be as tall as the ribbon is.

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Thank you, by the way, for posting all of this and answering our questions.

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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

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Just to let everyone know, these won't actually be out till around the first to mid Feb. they sent me the 2 pair they had a CES. I haven't gotten them installed but I will try to get a set playing in my wife's car this weekend. Here is some pics tho.







i fixed that post for you. please copy\paste above into your first post as not using [RETURNS] after IMG ruins the horizontal formatting of the forum. oh my god.

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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

square ribbons do not suffer from the vertical narrowing, the latest LCY were built to improve on this issue, and therefore not all ribbon tweeters are subject to "ribbon tweeter sound" that is dependent on vertical dispersion being an issue.
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square ribbons do not suffer from the vertical narrowing, the latest LCY were built to improve on this issue, and therefore not all ribbon tweeters are subject to "ribbon tweeter sound" that is dependent on vertical dispersion being an issue.
Exactly what I was thinking... Who knows

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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

I never had that problem with the AMTs I had...they were square, so didn't matter which way the grill was oriented.
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I asked Ryan to explain it
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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

something I find interesting is how narrow ribbons achieve line array decay phenomenon, when they are just a couple of inches or so high, and 1/4" wide.


the theory (I'm guessing) is that the sound energy that would be directed above and below the actual polar response pattern, is then able to double up, or reinforce the main signal's focused energy.


sort of how a Sausalito lens adds gain, too.

any time you're directing acoustic energy in a way that limits the response in a direction, the other directions get a boost.

this may be why ribbons can get really loud, with so little radiating area.


I'd like to try the Peavey VersArray 1.6 ribbons, in a vehicle as I think they would be able to keep up with just about anything, but aiming them without them being invasive into the car's environment or aesthetics, would be an exercise.
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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

I wonder if this would work well in a 2006 VW Jetta front door. There's a factory 3-way setup in there now. I plan on going active with a JBL MS8.
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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

Ok guys....let me clear this subject up a bit. Ed did a great job in trying to explain it but here is the skinny...

So the AMT has a few advantages that most CAR AUDIO tweeters don't.
1. Frequency response is much better out to 40kHz. Yeah yeah I know we cant hear it but what it does do is create a dynamic that a typical tweeter can give you.
2. Off axis response is just crazy. It works well in any location, what Ed was trying to explain was that the grill itself has (in factory default) Horizontal lines in it creating a horizontal dispersion pattern of 180 degrees out and 180 degrees up. I have frequency response models that showed this was the best overall performance. It was very natural and flat at this angle. If for some odd reason this doesn't work you just spin the tweeter till you get the sound stage your looking for. In most cases this won't need to happen.

Now some other fun things about this set:
1. The mid and woofer use a natural unprocessed cotton fiber. This is one of the reasons they sounds so natural. We could have used kevlar,or woven fiber cone, but they just don't have the right sound and everyone else is doing it. We wanted something no one has ever seen or used before.
2. We use a huge motor on the woofer for better mid bass response without any distortion.
3. All the drivers are high bandwidth drivers for a better cohesive response. Inf act it is hard to tell the difference in the music, the drivers all blend so well that they sound like one driver instead of three.
4. We use only the highest quality components in the crossover.

Oh and yeah if this doesn't make you want to try them, then ask any of the IASCA judges what they thought when they gave Ed and his wife 1st Place National Champion trophies at SBN 2014. Ed has the highest score of the event as well. And his wife did it with dear damage!
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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

do you think these would press fit into a PVC end cap like in this thread?

Cheap, adjustable, easily replaceable tweeter pods

really debating on going with these for my new build

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I am doing so work on mine and will be taking them out to play with placement a little so I will see how they fit if you can give me a day or two
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Thanks Ryan
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This is a 1 1/2 PVC fitting. It's a little loose but you could use a set screw to tighten it. Or maybe wrap some tape around the tweeter to shim it.
Also they didn't have any CPVC fittings but that might be tighter.
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I don't see why that wouldn't work
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I wonder if this would work well in a 2006 VW Jetta front door. There's a factory 3-way setup in there now. I plan on going active with a JBL MS8.
Im sure it would be awesome.
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Default Re: PPIs new PC 65C3 3 way Components just came in

Hey Guys! Thanks for the great info! I ordered a set of these last week. I would like to pick up a better amp to go with them. I was thinking about a Soundstream Ref 4.760 or Possibly the PPI PC640.4... If I can still get either one. Any thoughts?
This will be going in my Sequoia.
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Either would be great... If you can't get the PowerClass or Refrence the PPI Phantom P900.4 will work quite well. I run the Power Class on them in my wife's car and the phantom on them in my truck and both sound great
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Thanks Big T!
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