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I was waiting for the new ddrc88, but in the mean time I couldn't just ignore all your good words on this unit Hanatsu. So I pulled the trigger!

Nice... I'm waiting for my 2nd unit myself. Post your results later


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Raimonds measured my headphones (AKG Q701) and supplied me the EQ correction for them.





Look at the FR! One might think that a pair of good headphones would have flatter response than this.

Amazing to listen to them with and without the VST active to compare. I guess this could be called "reference sound". Once again, awesome...

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Funny pictures. Mine Sen HD457 have some similar problems in the range 0,7-5kHz, which I 've corrected with the VST plugin MathaudioHeadphoneEQ (including crossfeed). But honestlly speaking, I prefer JB Isone pro with HRTF adjustment and room acoustics. Do not think it worth sending them to Raimonds. Missing my previous Beyerdynamic a lot.

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How many taps do you guys generally need to use per channel?
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Look at the FR! One might think that a pair of good headphones would have flatter response than this.
Yep, looks a lot like this, inverted!
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Headphones needs to be measured through a set of artificial ears so the ELC curve is indeed a correct observation...


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Just received mine! Will make a thread once I start.
I took few really rough measurements to get an idea of the process, it's promising!
I love the "one button" approach.
Well there's still the burden of the pc and a learning curve, but I don't see any big trouble, just need time to read everything and test.
In fact I see it almost as an advanced ms8, with customizable target, per channel, so big difference.
I already have few questions, but just one for now: does the unit need to be powered to sync with the pc, or is it powered by usb? I think I have trouble with the drivers...

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I have one on order.
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I have one on order.
Cool! Looks like the begining of a little community around this
It seems so flexible, I'm sure we could learn a lot.

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I am pretty excited. I am redoing a bunch of my install, so I am thinking at first I won't use the APL1. I will have it installed but either bypass it or Raimonds suggested I could also use a "flat" eq curve in the APL1 and that would be like bypassing it. I am thinking at first to tune with just my Helix like normal and see how it sounds and take measurements. Then go ahead and fire up the APL1.
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Sounds like you'll get the best of it, what do you plan as source?
Me till I find the next Car I'll simply install it with in front of my ms8.
Just time to fiddle with both etc.

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I am curious to see how it performs with the MS8.

I have a 2014 vehicle with a lot of built in features so I have a stock H/U. But it's going to go like this--from OEM Amp---JL Fix82---APL1----Helix---- (3)Mosconis. Right now I use an Ipod that connects to my truck via USB and not 3.5. Eventually, I would like to get a Fiio lossless player. Then I would just run digital straight from the Fiio to the APL1 and use the RCA connections for the Fix82 to APL1. That way, the headunit would be the primary and any time I want the Fiio I just simply turn it on. Whatever source is connected via the Toslink becomes primary when that source is turned on. And so just turn the Fiio back off and I would have my headunit back.
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I am curious to see how it performs with the MS8.
Me too, see if it can fix what ms8 didn't.
And I really want to keep it, or them since I might use two later.
I could use something else with surround, but I really appreciate the time it saves (and so far it does a better job than me).

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I have a 2014 vehicle with a lot of built in features so I have a stock H/U. But it's going to go like this--from OEM Amp---JL Fix82---APL1----Helix---- (3)Mosconis. Right now I use an Ipod that connects to my truck via USB and not 3.5. Eventually, I would like to get a Fiio lossless player. Then I would just run digital straight from the Fiio to the APL1 and use the RCA connections for the Fix82 to APL1. That way, the headunit would be the primary and any time I want the Fiio I just simply turn it on. Whatever source is connected via the Toslink becomes primary when that source is turned on. And so just turn the Fiio back off and I would have my headunit back.
Sweet, and a lot of processing power. I didn't know the Fix82, seems a nice unit.
Good to know about the toslink, as I plan to keep my iphone in dash for now, and probably an ipad in next one. So I could replace my actual istreamer.
The easy switch between sources is another good value.

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does the unit need to be powered to sync with the pc, or is it powered by usb? I think I have trouble with the drivers...
Anyone can help on this?
I didn't really use windows since 10 yrs at least, completely rusty on this.
(I use Windows 7 on // desktop, and my mac too does not see the unit)

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No idea if it powers up with usb. I can try in a few min...


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Ok. Mine does not Power up on usb.


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Ok. Mine does not Power up on usb.


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Is there one that has analog in and digital out?

Post back when you guys get them in with the MS8.
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It has digital in/out (both spdif and toslink) & analog in/out.

And if I quote Raymond here:
"All outputs are working simultaneously all the time. You may use any of them.
But inputs - if digital signal is fed to digital input, the unit is switching from analog input to digital. If no digital signal - analog input is active.
The jumper switch is for selection between coaxial SPDIF and optical TOSLINK digital inputs."

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Products like this one are so intimating. I wonder why the manufacturers don't make a step by step set-up videos for these things. If they had a video, I probable would have bought one by now. (if it were in English)
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I am also a bit confused as to what software does what, and which would you need to do EQ and the TDA stuff. And what is the difference in the functionality of the different licenses?
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I am also a bit confused as to what software does what, and which would you need to do EQ and the TDA stuff. And what is the difference in the functionality of the different licenses?
This is the response from Raimonds when I asked pretty much the same thing.

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1. You need APL Workshop to make measurement and create equalizer files for APL1 unit.
I am recommending to use APL TDA software for initial setup. You may find APL TDA demo version sufficient for that.

2. Yes, APL TDA is measurement software with focus on timing. The AFR (amplitude frequency response) curve of TDA process has some value also.
TDA EQ is measuring AFR in more detailed way than TDA software but is using TDA process for that. The result is corrected (flat or target) AFR.

3. TDA EQ is strong for near field applications with minor reflections. The Car environment is not so in most cases.
Workshop is giving very reliable results for a Car environment.

TDA EQ software is showing all curves as TDA software except it does not show Non Linear Distortion Analysis.
So, Workshop is the software we need for use with APL1 that will generate the .fir filters.

TDA is an analysis tool for time delay. For our purposes, the free trial will most likely suffice.

TDA EQ is a whole different animal that is designed for correcting near field measuring, like those found in studio monitoring.

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I am also a bit confused as to what software does what, and which would you need to do EQ and the TDA stuff. And what is the difference in the functionality of the different licenses?
Don't think there's any difference in functionality, it's more the purpose of usage. TDA is a measurement software. TDA EQ is a measurement software and correction fir generator designed primarily for studio monitor and nearfield corrections.

APL Workshop is the primary measurement and fir creator software that measures and creates Power response corrections which is sent to the APL hardware.

I might do a video review in a few days, I just hate to speak English as it's not my native language :<

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I see.

Was getting confused again looking over the site.
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I might do a video review in a few days, I just hate to speak English as it's not my native language :<
A video could be cool for sure, with youtube translation if you prefer?
(btw you're not the only one with an accent )

But what you do usually with screenshots etc is already awesome!

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