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So am I reading the graph right? In your particular car/system, you could arguably go to 2.5K then have a tweeter take up the rest in a 2-way, assuming one has a tweeter that would cope starting its duties at 2.5K?
I am wondering the same thing. That and how the fuck did I miss this thread before the preorder ended?
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The SB Acoustics SB29RDCN-C000-4 look like a good match.

Anyone else running these 6.5's?
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The SB Acoustics SB29RDCN-C000-4 look like a good match.

Anyone else running these 6.5's?
I'm about to test a few SB tweeters, but those aren't one of them, still, I'll try and share my results

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The SB Acoustics SB29RDCN-C000-4 look like a good match.

Anyone else running these 6.5's?
I'm running the SB's (NVX version) crossed 2434hz 12db with absolutely no problem. Definitely a low-reacher for 2-ways mated to the TM65's.. I wish I had done the TM's rather than the SB17 (NVX version) mids I think. While the SB mids are very very good, the TM I suspect would really fill in the lower mid area on my measurements better to blend in with the sub.

So plan is still if I abandon a 2-way, to go with a TM65, scan mid/tweet up top, so I might do the mids first since they'll mate so good, I'm confident, with the SB tweeter. IF I don't get silly and do the ZR's in the kicks and quit playing around in the doors.

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I'm running the SB's (NVX version) crossed 2434hz 12db with absolutely no problem. Definitely a low-reacher for 2-ways mated to the TM65's.. I wish I had done the TM's rather than the SB17 (NVX version) mids I think. While the SB mids are very very good, the TM I suspect would really fill in the lower mid area on my measurements better to blend in with the sub.

So plan is still if I abandon a 2-way, to go with a TM65, scan mid/tweet up top, so I might do the mids first since they'll mate so good, I'm confident, with the SB tweeter. IF I don't get silly and do the ZR's in the kicks and quit playing around in the doors.
Good to know.

I probably should have got the NVXs. The grills look nice and they are $20 cheaper a pair. . . .

How low are your SB17s crossed? Looks like they drop off a little above 100.

I was looking at the SB17s. I worried a bit about power handling. Have you heard the flutes? If so, how do the SB17s compare? The flutes looks to do much better below 100 on paper. They roll off at 50.
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Good to know.

I probably should have got the NVXs. The grills look nice and they are $20 cheaper a pair. . . .

How low are your SB17s crossed? Looks like they drop off a little above 100.

I was looking at the SB17s. I worried a bit about power handling. Have you heard the flutes? If so, how do the SB17s compare? The flutes looks to do much better below 100 on paper. They roll off at 50.
Yeah the flanges and grills look great I think on the NVX version.
My 17's (NVX XSP65) are also at 2434hz @ 12db.. No issues at all between the two drivers.

The 17's are delivering all the way up to the tweeters in door. They are leveled at 0 and -.5 db in the helix, basically wide open, compared to -16 to -17.25 db (heavily attenuated) for the tweeters. The tweeters are up high, on-axis and powered by the other two channels of the same amp, so to be expected they have to be cut by a large margin.

Truthfully, I should pull in the PDX amp, run tweets off 100w channels, use the other channels for rears (if I install), and bridge the NVX 125x4 into 400x2 for the SB mids and give it a go. I suspect it'd level out more. The PDX "might" (unconfirmed) be cleaner also for tweeter duty.

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Default Re: Stereo Integrity TM65 Objective and Subjective results

I recently installed the TM65's in my car, and I thought I would add these impressions to Kyle's review. I put them in a couple weeks ago, and they just keep on getting better as they get some time on them.

From my build thread:

"I had a good discussion with my friend Ryan today as I was driving. We discussed the differences in performance between the Thesis drivers and the Stereo Integrity TM65's and the use of the word 'upgrade'.

He pointed out that I'm that guy.....who typically gravitates to the flagship type products......my particular psychosis, "if I get the middle tier, I'll always wonder what the top tier sounded like". So yes, from that perspective, it was an odd thing to see my post to someone who knows me and has followed my audio 'journey'.

I of course discussed the differences between the drivers with Nick in the past, and I had a good discussion with Erin a couple months ago about these drivers. I wasn't sure if when I put them in....I would say, "those are nice - a bit more mid bass" or possibly, "increase in mid bass, but a bit of a drop of 'quality' on the upper portions of the bass tones - towards the top of the bandpass that I'm using them....just doesn't have that quality that the Thesis provides"......

Well....what I AM saying (so far) - incredible performance! An extreme increase in mid bass output that is amazingly clean and accurate. And despite my handicaps (blocked left ear and listening while driving on the freeway), there is certainly no drop in quality on the upper end (low pass of 315 hertz at 24db).

So, now a few details.

Amplifier = Mosconi Zero 3: 270x2 @ 4 ohms; 520x2 @ 2 ohms Mos Zero 3

Thesis = 6 ohm drivers - I've always had a bit of a bias with these drivers - never looked them as mid bass drivers, but mostly a 6.5" mid range. John (minibox) stated they were monsters in his X3 with an extremely good install in his doors. Thesis Sax

SI TM65 = Wired at 2 ohm SI TM65

Our initial listening was with the tune exactly as it was with the Thesis drivers. Nick encouraged me to turn it up to let them run. He also encouraged me to experiment with a little less conservative crossover point/slope.

I had the Thesis high passed at 80hz @ 24db slope, and we immediately moved the TM65's down to 12db slope, and then down to 63hz at 12db. The only difference from 80hz/24db and 63hz/12db was gobs more clean, impactful mid bass sound.

He then encouraged me to mute the sub and try the TM65's without a high pass filter set. This was a bit scary to do at volume, but the drivers were not scared at all - they just did it with aplomb.

So, for the 6+ hours that I drove today, I had the sub muted most of the time, and played just the TM65's with the tweets/mid range. I usually had them playing with 63hz/12db and many times I let them play without a high pass filter. I was extremely impressed with their performance - clean, articulate with no sense of strain / struggle.

Tuning changes were only crossover point / slope of the mid bass, and a corresponding change of point on the sub. Even though my sub is up front, I do feel that I'm getting good benefits of greater mid bass output from the door speakers in my overall bass presentation. I didn't change EQ or T/A, and I was happy to hear the male voices were perfectly (despite my handicaps) centered and in synergy with the tweets and mid range. I didn't hear anything in the tune that was screaming that the mid bass drivers must have changed because things are not right.

So....when stating possible 'upgrade' - a quick note there (nearly disclaimer).

* I went from a 6ohm to a 2ohm driver, so there was greater output of the amplifier.
*I was able to change the crossover point to a slightly lower point, and changed the slope from 24db to 12db - gaining more output.
*I also feel I have more output of the sub even though I moved the point from 50hz @ 12db to 40hz @ 12db - clean, tight sound that blends very well with the TM65's.
*I was concerned that with the possibility of greater excursion I, would end up having a ton of rattles / resonance from the door panels, but there not many, so that pleased me.

Ok....I can barely keep my eyes open and fingers moving.....this was supposed to be a post saying, "they kick butt", but of course I couldn't just say that.....I had to go on, and on......but they do kick butt."

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I recently installed the TM65's in my car, and I thought I would add these impressions to Kyle's review. I put them in a couple weeks ago, and they just keep on getting better as they get some time on them.



From my build thread:



"I had a good discussion with my friend Ryan today as I was driving. We discussed the differences in performance between the Thesis drivers and the Stereo Integrity TM65's and the use of the word 'upgrade'.



He pointed out that I'm that guy.....who typically gravitates to the flagship type products......my particular psychosis, "if I get the middle tier, I'll always wonder what the top tier sounded like". So yes, from that perspective, it was an odd thing to see my post to someone who knows me and has followed my audio 'journey'.



I of course discussed the differences between the drivers with Nick in the past, and I had a good discussion with Erin a couple months ago about these drivers. I wasn't sure if when I put them in....I would say, "those are nice - a bit more mid bass" or possibly, "increase in mid bass, but a bit of a drop of 'quality' on the upper portions of the bass tones - towards the top of the bandpass that I'm using them....just doesn't have that quality that the Thesis provides"......



Well....what I AM saying (so far) - incredible performance! An extreme increase in mid bass output that is amazingly clean and accurate. And despite my handicaps (blocked left ear and listening while driving on the freeway), there is certainly no drop in quality on the upper end (low pass of 315 hertz at 24db).



So, now a few details.



Amplifier = Mosconi Zero 3: 270x2 @ 4 ohms; 520x2 @ 2 ohms Mos Zero 3



Thesis = 6 ohm drivers - I've always had a bit of a bias with these drivers - never looked them as mid bass drivers, but mostly a 6.5" mid range. John (minibox) stated they were monsters in his X3 with an extremely good install in his doors. Thesis Sax



SI TM65 = Wired at 2 ohm SI TM65



Our initial listening was with the tune exactly as it was with the Thesis drivers. Nick encouraged me to turn it up to let them run. He also encouraged me to experiment with a little less conservative crossover point/slope.



I had the Thesis high passed at 80hz @ 24db slope, and we immediately moved the TM65's down to 12db slope, and then down to 63hz at 12db. The only difference from 80hz/24db and 63hz/12db was gobs more clean, impactful mid bass sound.



He then encouraged me to mute the sub and try the TM65's without a high pass filter set. This was a bit scary to do at volume, but the drivers were not scared at all - they just did it with aplomb.



So, for the 6+ hours that I drove today, I had the sub muted most of the time, and played just the TM65's with the tweets/mid range. I usually had them playing with 63hz/12db and many times I let them play without a high pass filter. I was extremely impressed with their performance - clean, articulate with no sense of strain / struggle.



Tuning changes were only crossover point / slope of the mid bass, and a corresponding change of point on the sub. Even though my sub is up front, I do feel that I'm getting good benefits of greater mid bass output from the door speakers in my overall bass presentation. I didn't change EQ or T/A, and I was happy to hear the male voices were perfectly (despite my handicaps) centered and in synergy with the tweets and mid range. I didn't hear anything in the tune that was screaming that the mid bass drivers must have changed because things are not right.



So....when stating possible 'upgrade' - a quick note there (nearly disclaimer).



* I went from a 6ohm to a 2ohm driver, so there was greater output of the amplifier.

*I was able to change the crossover point to a slightly lower point, and changed the slope from 24db to 12db - gaining more output.

*I also feel I have more output of the sub even though I moved the point from 50hz @ 12db to 40hz @ 12db - clean, tight sound that blends very well with the TM65's.

*I was concerned that with the possibility of greater excursion I, would end up having a ton of rattles / resonance from the door panels, but there not many, so that pleased me.



Ok....I can barely keep my eyes open and fingers moving.....this was supposed to be a post saying, "they kick butt", but of course I couldn't just say that.....I had to go on, and on......but they do kick butt."

Hey mate, great review of the TM65s. Did you ever try these TM65s in 8 ohm configuration? I'll be receiving a pair shortly and I'm trying to decide whether to configure them in 8 ohms or 2 ohms. I'll be using 2 channels from my Mosconi AS200.4 to power them. I'll be running these in a 3way setup with a pair of Audible Physics NZ3as and Focal TN53K tweeters
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Hey mate, great review of the TM65s. Did you ever try these TM65s in 8 ohm configuration? I'll be receiving a pair shortly and I'm trying to decide whether to configure them in 8 ohms or 2 ohms. I'll be using 2 channels from my Mosconi AS200.4 to power them. I'll be running these in a 3way setup with a pair of Audible Physics NZ3as and Focal TN53K tweeters
I didn't try them configured in 8 ohm, but that would be an excellent way to wire them with that powerful AS200.4. In your set up, they could also do well with them wired at 2 ohm - 320 x 2 - set the gain correctly, and then level match in the DSP - these would work beautifully in that configuration. Great choice on the AP NZ's and Focal tweets!

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I didn't try them configured in 8 ohm, but that would be an excellent way to wire them with that powerful AS200.4. In your set up, they could also do well with them wired at 2 ohm - 320 x 2 - set the gain correctly, and then level match in the DSP - these would work beautifully in that configuration. Great choice on the AP NZ's and Focal tweets!

Hey mate thanks for the reply. I'm thinking I'll wire them up in 2 ohms as my current KRX2 mids are 2 ohms as well. And yes I'm dying to find out what my new combination sounds like...it sure is an interesting combo
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Have you installed these yet? IB like you were saying. If there's a link i'd appreciate it.
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Have you installed these yet? IB like you were saying. If there's a link i'd appreciate it.

Hey bud, I haven't received them yet and it will be a few months before I install them as I'll need to get custom a-pillars made for the NZs and TN53Ks.

And were you referring to a link to the TM65s?
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Does anyone have info on availability of the TM65's. The last few weeks the website says shipping in January. Prior to this I was eyeing the newer Dayton 6.5s or SB's but everything I want is out of stock. Somewhat frustrated now but these look to be that killer speaker but I can only run them in a 2 Way setup plus sub.
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Here's the link to the new TM65 mkIIs. The mkIIs are in a cargo ship headed to the US, not quite sure of delivery date but its hard to say with customs sometimes. Once the preorders are addressed, Nick says he'll reopen ordering until that run of drivers runs out.

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Here's the link to the new TM65 mkIIs. The mkIIs are in a cargo ship headed to the US, not quite sure of delivery date but its hard to say with customs sometimes. Once the preorders are addressed, Nick says he'll reopen ordering until that run of drivers runs out.

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Yeah that's the last site I went too a few weeks back. I really want these in a 2 way active setup but I'm delaying my build just waiting for everything to come in and a few back orders, If I went ahead and did my HU and deadening I would have to just pull it all again anyway.
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It's called practice...duh. Just kidding. Where in TN are you? I'm in Ktown.
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I'm a little southeast of you in Chattanooga. Tell me your a Vols fan. I originally wanted to try the Dayton Designer series DSA175 6.5's but they are out of stock also.
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