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Thanks for the review.

I'll say that the MM12 that I had in my car running IB, absolutely crushed the Esotar 1200 that it replaced in the exact same configuration.

Really impressive sub.

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yup. im pretty sure thats impossible on a driver of this size. at least 1 way xmax. two way xmax its still hard to believe, but possible. im betting its two way xmech

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was my statement false or not useful?

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was my statement false or not useful?
Yes on both accounts. You claimed it to be impossible and claimed it to be a different spec than the one I stated. Like you do to every single post I make here or in the other group. It gets taxing after so many times.

I know you know your stuff but you must realize you are not the only educated person here nor the only one that can read specs. After I read the specs I confirmed with distributor and retailers. It was questioned once and I backed it up with proof of specs. You questioned it again and then were shown yet again the specs.

Isnt Gstokes posting something you can fight over?

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Well guys this is why I offered up my units for testing.

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Yes on both accounts. You claimed it to be impossible and claimed it to be a different spec than the one I stated. Like you do to every single post I make here or in the other group. It gets taxing after so many times.

I know you know your stuff but you must realize you are not the only educated person here nor the only one that can read specs. After I read the specs I confirmed with distributor and retailers. It was questioned once and I backed it up with proof of specs. You questioned it again and then were shown yet again the specs.

Isnt Gstokes posting something you can fight over?
yea, like mosconi amps aren't anything special,and are just a forum boner....that one will go over well
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Yes on both accounts. You claimed it to be impossible and claimed it to be a different spec than the one I stated. Like you do to every single post I make here or in the other group. It gets taxing after so many times.

I know you know your stuff but you must realize you are not the only educated person here nor the only one that can read specs. After I read the specs I confirmed with distributor and retailers. It was questioned once and I backed it up with proof of specs. You questioned it again and then were shown yet again the specs.

Isnt Gstokes posting something you can fight over?
well xmax is 99% of the time measured 1 way. with the length of the voice coil it has (as seen in the mechanical drawing), yes, the 26mm 1 way xmax would actually be impossible. i said it cant be one way xmax, but possibly two way xmax or xmech. turns out i was right after seeing the drawing

if you go by xmax = (voice coil length - height of magnetic gap) / 2, the mechanical drawing posted by SQ_TSX, the 26mm one way just seems impossible. but, 26mm two way seems reasonable. its just that AD probably posts 2 way xmax, which just isnt the norm


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Pretty sure anyone reading this knows that it was a peak to peak and not one way. I have noticed its usually only subwoofers that rate the xmax one way and even then its only MOST of the time. Smaller speakers usually are measured peak to peak but that's in my limited experience.



And one thing I have to say about Mosconi, I wish the 100 watts my McIntosh puts out was as powerful as the rated 100 watts my Mosconi puts out. LOL

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Well guys this is why I offered up my units for testing.
Offered up what now? I like playing with and trying to destroy stuff.

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Have to say, as much as it pains me, I am with Skizer on this one. Seems like we're all ending up in the same place though. 26mm one way Xmax (the proper way to measure and spec, IMHO) is likely impossible in. 13mm one way is still crazy (unheard of?) Xmax on a 6.5" midbass driver.

Without independent testing, or at least Hc and Hg specs, I will remain a bit skeptical. Yes, even with that monster surround.

And I don't think anyone here has questioned the quality or performance of the drivers. In the end it probably boils down to semantics more than anything.


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I hardly see Xmax posted as two way which is why I wanted to clear this up. Bad/wrong info is a plague in car audio that we need to end and it usually starts with misinterpretation

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I hardly see Xmax posted as two way which is why I wanted to clear this up. Bad/wrong info is a plague in car audio that we need to end and it usually starts with misinterpretation

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In this case, it is probably just the Italian nature of things vs. what we're used to.


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Offered up what now? I like playing with and trying to destroy stuff.
Well I like the playing idea, not so keen on the latter. But if you buy them from me, you do whatever you darn well please.

I'm hoping though that maybe Erin or someone would like to test them and see if they actually perform or not. Not for my personal gain but for the forum and for understanding.

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It says "Italians do it better"

These speakers are Italian.

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i dont even understand this.. lol
AD is an Italian company. Apparently Italians just have their own way of doing things. Hence an Xmax spec of 26mm on a 6.5" midbass.

Not to lead us too far astray... Hopefully their Xmax figures (after accounting for a listing of 2 way Xmax) are more accurate than a certain other Italian company that makes Pro drivers. Listed Xmax on some of their drivers I've looked at is <4x ((Hc-Hg)-2)! But there, they provide the math in their white paper.


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It says "Italians do it better"

These speakers are Italian.
i know but the picture as a whole. dustin never fails to disappoint with his memes though

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Here, let me say this.

They are fucking nice speakers. Measurements be damned regarding this statement.

But testing would be nice to see what its made of.

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This is the 5 1/4 component set (still boxed up)


I personally love what they've done for the terminals. Nothing worse than shabby terminal mounts on a speaker you spent big bucks on!


Crossover is super-simple (haven't used)


The tweeters come in a cool looking tin can


Speaker wire here is a neat woven type, more like tinsel leads


Removed from its stand


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Here, let me say this.

They are fucking nice speakers. Measurements be damned regarding this statement.

But testing would be nice to see what its made of.
Hence my statement here...

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Well I like the playing idea, not so keen on the latter. But if you buy them from me, you do whatever you darn well please.

I'm hoping though that maybe Erin or someone would like to test them and see if they actually perform or not. Not for my personal gain but for the forum and for understanding.
The blowing up was a joke. LOL I treat them all with the utmost care.

I have spent several thousand in the last 6 months on just tweeters and mids. LOL

And I guess I spend so much time looking at imported speakers the "peak to peak" xmax is just what I have gotten used to. I know companies like Morel and Illusion list it as one way so for that I apologize and should have said "peak to peak". I take full responsibility for that oversight.


Now I am a bit upset I didn't get the metal box for my T10s though. Hope the T1FRs come in one.



But yeah, they have some serious stroke. I have starred at them when pushing them to some dubstep and its amazing to see such a small speaker move so much.

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Something about speakers with big magnets make me happy, nostalgic...


Kinda like the old school AVI speakers.

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I just found out Madonna is Italian, how about that?
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