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Default Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

Hi Guys. It's been a while. I hope everyone is well.

I'm up to the point where my next step is a DSP. I was planning on picking the Audison bit-Ten D, but then the guy at my local shop told me that there is the Hertz H8 too. (Hertz H8 DSP car audio processor)

Anyone know how the H8 (I doubt they meant that to sound like "hate") compares to the bit-Ten D? I'm trying to keep the choice between just those two.

I'm looking for an 8 ch DSP for (finally!) a 4-way full active build (Comps up front for treble and upper midrange, mids in the rear for lower midbass, and a sub). And just to be clear, the rears will not be rear-fill. I will cross the front and rear mid drivers so (as much as possible) they will play different frequencies.
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

The bit ten is only 5 channels. You will want the bit 1 or H8. I'd say the H8 due to it being a lot cheaper.
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

Is the bit-Ten only 5 ch? I thought it might be 8 because the Audison website says,

"Thanks to the AD Link connection, the available outputs become 8 in total, all in digital format; they can also be used simultaneously with the analog ones (for a maximum of 8 outputs total)" (Audison bit - bit Ten D).

Any word on what that means in terms of number of channels?
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

neither. use that money for something better. JL twk, a helix 8 channel, etc etc..

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Is the bit-Ten only 5 ch? I thought it might be 8 because the Audison website says,

"Thanks to the AD Link connection, the available outputs become 8 in total, all in digital format; they can also be used simultaneously with the analog ones (for a maximum of 8 outputs total)" (Audison bit - bit Ten D).

Any word on what that means in terms of number of channels?
That's only if you have the AD link which only works with select Audison amps. The H8 appears to be a great unit regardless. And a bit cheaper.
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

Why are others better than the Audison or Hertz?
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Why are others better than the Audison or Hertz?
1) audison uses only graphic eq, not parametric
2) you wont be getting the typical high noise floor of audison units
3) you wont have to deal with the unreliability/bugs of the audison units
4) the audisons are way overpriced for their feature set
5) with the new helix, you get all pass filters
6) with the helix (and supposedly the twk) you can do differential rear fill if you use rear speakers
7) the twk will be cheaper overall while being more powerful than the audisons
8) the helix will be way more powerful and about the same price as the audisons

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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

Neither the JL or Helix offers De-EQ. That's what makes the Hertz and Audison stand out if using a stock HU

I never had a issue with the Bit one and it got the heck beat out of it in a 150db car. But to each is own.
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

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Neither the JL or Helix offers De-EQ. That's what makes the Hertz and Audison stand out if using a stock HU

I never had a issue with the Bit one and it got the heck beat out of it in a 150db car. But to each is own.
actually the helix pro does, and i THINK the helix mk2 does as well. then theres the JL fix if you want to use the JL twk. still a cheaper combo than a new bit 1

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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

I like the fix TwK combo with the optical. They made a good value with that one. I though the Helix only had a few bands of input EQ?
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I like the fix TwK combo with the optical. They made a good value with that one. I though the Helix only had a few bands of input EQ?
5 bands of parametric eq is all you need for input eq. even then, it doesnt really matter. you can always just eq the output. id be more concerned about fixing factory time alignment and phase adjustments. the fix does both, the audisons do not. unfortunately it doesnt fix all pass filters

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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

True. The clean sweep was a joke. The FiX is really nice.
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Is the bit-Ten only 5 ch? I thought it might be 8 because the Audison website says,



"Thanks to the AD Link connection, the available outputs become 8 in total, all in digital format; they can also be used simultaneously with the analog ones (for a maximum of 8 outputs total)" (Audison bit - bit Ten D).



Any word on what that means in terms of number of channels?


You'll need Audison Voce amps and the Bit-In module to get 8 channels with the Bit Ten D. If these are your only choices.........then I would do the Hertz most importantly because you said u needed 8 channels. And secondly because i haven't heard anyone complain about issues with it yet, like I have with the Audison DSP's.


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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

So the Hertz, but not the Audison, is 8 ch.

And the JL FiX seems good (but is not 8 ch?).

And I remember people liked the RF 3Sixty.3.

And MiniDSP gets good comments.

And everyone seems to like Helix DSP.

And what about AudioControl DM-608?

Any other 8 ch DSP's I should compare?

And when I do compare 8 ch DSP's for a 4-way active build with comps up front for treble and upper midrange, mids in the rear for lower midbass (NOT for rear fill), and a sub, are there particular features and specs that are important to look for? Like filter slope options, parametric EQ, leveling of input signal from HU, bandpass for rear midbass drivers, output volts, or what else? Are there any out there that are particularly really good, and a good price, for 4-way active system?
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

The fix is not a dsp. The twk is. The audio control is way overpriced for its features

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1) audison uses only graphic eq, not parametric
2) you wont be getting the typical high noise floor of audison units
3) you wont have to deal with the unreliability/bugs of the audison units
4) the audisons are way overpriced for their feature set
5) with the new helix, you get all pass filters
6) with the helix (and supposedly the twk) you can do differential rear fill if you use rear speakers
7) the twk will be cheaper overall while being more powerful than the audisons
8) the helix will be way more powerful and about the same price as the audisons
Thanks for this SkizeR.

I have a few questions about what you said, so I can understand. I hope it's not hassle to explain some basics.

2) What is a "noise floor?"

5) Are "all pass filters" the same as the "full range" amp setting, so all frequencies go through, not crossed at all?

6) What is "differential rear fill?" My rears are low midbass, not fill.

7/8) Does power (output voltage?) matter, since it's going to the amps?

And as DC/Hertz said, isn't De-EQ a really good feature?
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5 bands of parametric eq is all you need for input eq. even then, it doesnt really matter. you can always just eq the output. id be more concerned about fixing factory time alignment and phase adjustments. the fix does both, the audisons do not. unfortunately it doesnt fix all pass filters
The websites say H8 and bit-Ten both have TA and phase adjustments.

Click on "tech sheets" at
Audison bit - bit Ten D
Hertz H8 DSP car audio processor
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The websites say H8 and bit-Ten both have TA and phase adjustments.

Click on "tech sheets" at
Audison bit - bit Ten D
Hertz H8 DSP car audio processor
Of course they have it. But on the outputs. The jl fix takes the input signal, and flattens it out and corrects the factory signal delay (and I think phase) to let you start out with a perfectly flat signal. Pretty sure no other unit does factory signal delay compensation

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Thanks for this SkizeR.

I have a few questions about what you said, so I can understand. I hope it's not hassle to explain some basics.

2) What is a "noise floor?"

5) Are "all pass filters" the same as the "full range" amp setting, so all frequencies go through, not crossed at all?

6) What is "differential rear fill?" My rears are low midbass, not fill.

7/8) Does power (output voltage?) matter, since it's going to the amps?

And as DC/Hertz said, isn't De-EQ a really good feature?
2) noise floor is.. well, noise floor. Ever hear that slight noise when nothing is playing that sounds like white noise? That would be the noise floor of your equipment

5) no. All pass filters are a type of band limited phase adjustment. Helix is the first to implement them in a car audio dsp

6) L-R/R-L

7) unless it's super low, not really

Yes, but it's not super important. You will still be able to eq the overall response after the fact whether you have a flat input signal or not

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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

Hey Marc, I got your PM. I tend to be with Skizer on this one. Though, there is something to be said for a dealer working with products that they sell, support and tune on a regular basis. Though even with solid, local support, it can still be frustrating if you have issues with a product.

What other brands does your dealer sell? Anything outside of Elettromedia (Hertz/Audison)?

If not, and you want to stick with something from the dealer, I would certainly go with the Hertz H8 over the bit Ten D as you will need the additional channels for the setup you described.


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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

My dealer only has Elettromedia DSP's, but can get me good deals on stuff he does not carry, if I don't let him talk me out of it.

So JL twk is good, as you guys say, and much less pricey than Helix.

There is still the MiniDSP C-DSP 6x8 out there too. It is really inexpensive, and everything I've read about it is positive.

Any thoughts about comparisons between the twk and 6x8?
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My dealer only has Elettromedia DSP's, but can get me good deals on stuff he does not carry, if I don't let him talk me out of it.

So JL twk is good, as you guys say, and much less pricey than Helix.

There is still the MiniDSP C-DSP 6x8 out there too. It is really inexpensive, and everything I've read about it is positive.

Any thoughts about comparisons between the twk and 6x8?
twk is more powerful. 10 bands of parametric eq as opposed to 6

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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

the hertz would be my only choice out of the original two you mentioned..the audisions tuff is just aweful from what I've dealt with.

rf unit is nice, helix is nicer.

"you will need to use all 31 bands on the eq, qualifying a speaker as better cause you feel it needs lesser eq just means you're not listening closely enough."
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

The RF has more bugs then Audison. You can't say it's nice then knock on Audison.
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Default Re: Hertz H8 DSP or Audison bit-Ten D?

people say its buggy, but ive never actually heard of any issues with it. curious what those bugs are

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