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Thanks for the review. I just got my ultimo 12 hooked up it is in a 1.5 sealed enclosure,I have a Hifonics zeds vl bridged and I could not be happier.This sub is amazing and it is much more efficient than I thought it would be,I had to turn down the bass on my dql8 I was thinking I was going to need more power,I was ready to buy the new Zed Kronos,I even bought 2 ultimos because I've been running 2 boston 12.5 Les,but one ultimo is plenty the other is just sitting in the closet,if anyone needs one let me know.
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Thanks for the review. I just got my ultimo 12 hooked up it is in a 1.5 sealed enclosure,I have a Hifonics zeds vl bridged and I could not be happier.This sub is amazing and it is much more efficient than I thought it would be,I had to turn down the bass on my dql8 I was thinking I was going to need more power,I was ready to buy the new Zed Kronos,I even bought 2 ultimos because I've been running 2 boston 12.5 Les,but one ultimo is plenty the other is just sitting in the closet,if anyone needs one let me know.
Hey, glad you are enjoying the sub. Which version is yours, 4 Ohm or 2 Ohm impedance?

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Thanks for the review. I just got my ultimo 12 hooked up it is in a 1.5 sealed enclosure,I have a Hifonics zeds vl bridged and I could not be happier.This sub is amazing and it is much more efficient than I thought it would be,I had to turn down the bass on my dql8 I was thinking I was going to need more power,I was ready to buy the new Zed Kronos,I even bought 2 ultimos because I've been running 2 boston 12.5 Les,but one ultimo is plenty the other is just sitting in the closet,if anyone needs one let me know.
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im not intirested in the sub but do you have references? just looking out for my shipmates...
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snaimpally (or anyone else), do you have any experience with JL's W7 woofers? I'm very interested in how they compare to the Morel Ultimo. I currently own two 10 W7's but I just ordered a set of Morel Elate Limited Edition two-ways and I am seriously considering going Ultimo for the sub(s).
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I've heard (from Morel) that the 4 ohm Ultimo 12 is very tough to drive. I was interested in a 2 ohm model.
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I've heard (from Morel) that the 4 ohm Ultimo 12 is very tough to drive. I was interested in a 2 ohm model.
I have a small Car (Maxda Speed 3 hatch). Before the Ultimo I was running a ported Soundstream Exact 10. My HU, the 800PRS, puts out very low voltages. I certainly lost efficiency going from ported to sealed but the Ultimo can get quite loud. I have been driving it with an old school Cadence A7Hc which is rated at 500 watts @ 4 ohms, though it probably does a bit more than that. The auto eq and t/a of my HU sets the sub level to -16 db. Because of the loud exhaust, I usually bump this up 3 db to -13 db. Still plenty loud.

I would say you need something that will actually do around 700 watts or more at 4 ohms and 12 volts. The Clarion DPX11551 does 850 watts at 4 ohms at 14.4 volts. My Cadence recently died and so I popped the Clarion in and it handles the Ultimo fairly well.

If you are interested, I have an Arc audio 2500XXK amp that is rated for 1050 watts at 4 ohms that I am selling. I bought it for the Morel but it won't fit in my application.

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snaimpally (or anyone else), do you have any experience with JL's W7 woofers? I'm very interested in how they compare to the Morel Ultimo. I currently own two 10 W7's but I just ordered a set of Morel Elate Limited Edition two-ways and I am seriously considering going Ultimo for the sub(s).
I have heard the JL W7s but not in my car. The thing is, with every other sub I have heard, the sub contributes something to the sound. The Ultimo does not. It is totally transparent. I have raised the sub level to 6 db over what the auto eq and ta set it at and you still can't hear that a sub is present. The Ultimo plays the notes and then disappears.

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That's what i love about it,i don't wan't anything added to the music, i want to hear the music the way it was recorded.I don't want to hear any added coloration,this is one amazing sub but not for the window shakers.
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Default Re: Morel Ultimo 12" Review

This excerpt from a review in Car audio and Electronics sums up the Morel Ultimo 12:

"The driver was so transparent at the beginning of this track that I had to check if it was still activated. I toggled the dash-mounted remote Wire switch for the amplifier a couple of times in amazement. Kick drums were high located along the dashboard and blended extremely well with the notes from the bass guitar. I was hard-pressed to find any flaws in the Ultimo 12 on this track. This is how a subwoofer should perform-adding body and fullness to an audio selection without sacrificing tonality, disrupting clarity of other instruments or over-shadowing the vocals."

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Yeah the Morel 12 definitely seems like the sub for me. I will probably still get the two ohm version and get the Genesis Profile Sub Ultra to drive it. It won't match my Dual Mono looks-wise but the guys at Morel say it drives the Ultimo very well.
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what id like to know is what makes this sub so transperant? (hardware wise)
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I've heard (from Morel) that the 4 ohm Ultimo 12 is very tough to drive. I was interested in a 2 ohm model.
It's not any "tougher" to drive than the 2 Ohm version. Their rated sensitivity is the same. The problem, if you want to call it that, is that there are VERY few amplifiers capable of producing 1000 watts or more (which the Ultimo really needs for optimum performance in the lower frequencies) with a 4 Ohm load. Most amps are able to do that at 2 Ohms, or 1 Ohm. Thus, if you have the 4 Ohm version of the Ultimo, you will have fewer options available to you for amplification that can properly drive the Ultimo. You can get by with less Power (and I have used it with less), but trust me, you will not be hearing the full capabilities of this sub. Put on large scale orchestral music and you will hear what I mean. The downside to operating your amp with a 2 Ohm load is more heat and current requirements. So you better make sure your battery and alternator are up to the task.

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what id like to know is what makes this sub so transperant? (hardware wise)
It's not a "hardware" question. The sub reproduces bass notes with very little distortion and coloration.

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i just keep hearing how some have to double check if its still on, that seems odd to me is all, i can def tell when bass is present on live performances...
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i just keep hearing how some have to double check if its still on, that seems odd to me is all, i can def tell when bass is present on live performances...
That does bring up a very good point... which I'm curious to read the response to.

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Using one too, and it can really go low, 10hz ! Irresistible If you into soundtracks, this sub can really perform effortlessly. Currently powering them with just a 2ch x 150W Helix Competition A2 amp.
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i just keep hearing how some have to double check if its still on, that seems odd to me is all, i can def tell when bass is present on live performances...
Because it fits so cleanly into the front stage. Also in a live performance the speakers arent as good

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It's not a "hardware" question. The sub reproduces bass notes with very little distortion and coloration.
I think the question he is driving at is what spec is responsible for this and how to compare that spec to other subs. To that I would say that most of the blending is dependent on tuning, not the sub. If you have a sub tuned low with a very steep slope, it's going to be obvious when the sub is playing vs the front stage etc.

Here is my take: the one thing that I think is remarkably different about the Ultimo is the "tightness" of the bass. As I mentioned previously, the bass is more natural, not boomy. If you have a boomy sub, it will sound very different than your midbass playing the same frequency. In that regard, the Ultimo is kinda like a super midbass. It sounds like a midbass, but with much more output. That is why it blends well. You don't hear that trademark sub boominess which is very easy to pick out.

My question is this: what specs are responsible for bass "tightness?" Is it a combination of motor strength and moving mass? I don't think so because I have used subs with more powerful motors AND lighter cones and they were still boomy. Maybe it's the cone material. Why does the Ultimo sound so un-boomy? How can we quantify that characteristic?

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also does the massive coil play a part in the sum?
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oh AND what similarities does this have to the dayton ho cause ive read they sound alot alike...
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Default Re: Morel Ultimo 12" Review

Great questions! Ive had the privilege to listened to the Ultimo in Buzzman's Car at the Sound of in Riverside, Ca. and all I can say is I'm getting one! I've had the kicker solobaric 12, IDQ 10's, Rockford Fosgate 15's and presently I'm using a Arc audio 12 and nothing, and I do mean nothing, Ive heard sound so buttery smooth when it comes to blending with your front stage. I think the low end boom some are referring to has a lot to do with the enclosure type, because Buzzman's Car definitely had boom!
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