View Poll Results: SHould constitution be thrown out?
yes 4 13.33%
no 16 53.33%
keep and add to it 9 30.00%
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Old 02-09-2012   #1
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Default Constitution, Keep or get rid of it?

There have been some people talking about getting rid of it for a while.


I could see that it might be outdated because it is old , but to get rid of it and replace it with what?


what would be left off of a new one that was on the old one? what rights would you be willing to loose?

Is the rights to free speech and ownership less important than health care and other government pushed ideas?

Here CNN:

CNN Contributor Says It Is Time To Dump The Constitution Because It Is Outdated


NY TIMES:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/us...orld.html?_r=2

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There have been some people talking about getting rid of it for a while.


I could see that it might be outdated because it is old , but to get rid of it and replace it with what?


what would be left off of a new one that was on the old one? what rights would you be willing to loose?

Is the rights to free speech and ownership less important than health care and other government pushed ideas?

Here CNN:

CNN Contributor Says It Is Time To Dump The Constitution Because It Is Outdated


NY TIMES:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/us...orld.html?_r=2
I would most like to get rid of that bullshit that says all men are created equal. I think it should only be white people that are equal.


Dude, your sources are reporters. Not a single government official or anybody else has said it. You're grasping at straws.

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I would most like to get rid of that bullshit that says all men are created equal. I think it should only be white people that are equal.


Dude, your sources are reporters. Not a single government official or anybody else has said it. You're grasping at straws.
fucktard. this is a poll. dumbass. simple yes, no , dont know, would do.

if you had a clue you would know CNN and NY Times are mouthpieces for the government.

thats not the only place its been said.

Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said recently the people of Egypt should not “look to the United States Constitution” as a blueprint for crafting the nation’s new constitution. Ginsberg apparently believes the Constitution is flawed because it spells out what the government cannot do instead of mandating what it should do (like telling citizens at gunpoint they must purchase expensive health insurance).

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
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i think we should start a poll that is about you two being able to post in off topic.

It will say

"should we makes it so these 2 cant post in off topic anymore.

Then only 2 options, yes and yes
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fucktard. this is a poll. dumbass. simple yes, no , dont know, would do.

if you had a clue you would know CNN and NY Times are mouthpieces for the government.

thats not the only place its been said.

Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said recently the people of Egypt should not “look to the United States Constitution” as a blueprint for crafting the nation’s new constitution. Ginsberg apparently believes the Constitution is flawed because it spells out what the government cannot do instead of mandating what it should do (like telling citizens at gunpoint they must purchase expensive health insurance).
Wow. Fucktard...nice. Dumbass....now wait. Are you smarter than me?

So you think no discussion is allowed? Only the poll? Why did you write things that implied a need for response?

So the judge said Egypt shouldn't use our constitution. Does that mean she's getting rid of it? It seems to me like she doesn't think Egypt should use it for their country. Where did you get that she's tossing it?

So cnn and the NY Times (they who broke Watergate can I get an amen) is the mouthpeice for the government? Is fox news the real truth? Where is the "real" information?

Here's the real question I need to ask....when all of the fear you immerse yourself ends up a waste of time, what will you do? Will you crack? Do you won a gun? How many? When Obama wins again will you go out and kill all of the babymaking mexicans that work in construction with you? Have the actuall given birth while drywalling?

Fucktard and dumbass...idiot. This is your answer?

Do YOU believe that our inalienable rights should include all people? Just white people?

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i think we should start a poll that is about you two being able to post in off topic.

It will say

"should we makes it so these 2 cant post in off topic anymore.

Then only 2 options, yes and yes
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Wow. Fucktard...nice. Dumbass....now wait. Are you smarter than me?

So you think no discussion is allowed? Only the poll? Why did you write things that implied a need for response?

So the judge said Egypt shouldn't use our constitution. Does that mean she's getting rid of it? It seems to me like she doesn't think Egypt should use it for their country. Where did you get that she's tossing it?

So cnn and the NY Times (they who broke Watergate can I get an amen) is the mouthpeice for the government? Is fox news the real truth? Where is the "real" information?

Here's the real question I need to ask....when all of the fear you immerse yourself ends up a waste of time, what will you do? Will you crack? Do you won a gun? How many? When Obama wins again will you go out and kill all of the babymaking mexicans that work in construction with you? Have the actuall given birth while drywalling?

Fucktard and dumbass...idiot. This is your answer?

Do YOU believe that our inalienable rights should include all people? Just white people?

We can dance if you want to....

Discussion is allowed. Answer the question and add all you like .


No need to bash me for the question.

Just cause you are unaware doesn't mean it's not out there .

The rest I will not address

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This thread needs a redo.

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Had the founding fathers known about all of the bullshit that goes on these days, I wonder what the constitution would have looked like?
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Had the founding fathers known about all of the bullshit that goes on these days, I wonder what the constitution would have looked like?
I think the founding fathers did know what would eventually happen, based on human nature being what it is, and the fact that there's "nothing new under the sun".

I don't think they would have crafted it any differently, knowing that no system of governing based on individual liberty can withstand the creeping death of statism and tyranny.

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I think the founding fathers did know what would eventually happen, based on human nature being what it is, and the fact that there's "nothing new under the sun".

I don't think they would have crafted it any differently, knowing that no system of governing based on individual liberty can withstand the creeping death of statism and tyranny.
I completely agree. Nothing new is going on here. The technology may be different but we're headed down the same path every great civilization has been down and I believe it was written to at least prolong the death of this nation as a great nation.

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I'll give you an example...many of the founding fathers were fed up with the Church of England and wanted freedom to worship freely without fear of persecution. This is why the First Amendment says that the government cannot set up a 'national religion' and force everybody to follow it. I strongly believe that if they had know that people would use the phrasing as a cornerstone to form a purely secular government, they would have worded it differently.

Amendment I (Religion): Maryland Constitution of 1776, Declaration of Rights, nos. 33--36
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Keep the Constitution, get rid of anyone who wants to get rid of it.

The "bullshit" going on now is because of those who don't adhere to the Constitution.

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STOP!
This is my post.

I asked a legit question.

There is no need for you to harass me . You are not the speech police.

Had anyone else posted this you wouldn't have opened your mouth.

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
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Keep the Constitution, get rid of anyone who wants to get rid of it.

The "bullshit" going on now is because of those who don't adhere to the Constitution.
Doesn't it strike you as odd that when a politician votes in step with the constitution he gets labeled as crazy or unelectable?

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not odd to me when the trend is to go around the constitution and use any means needed to pass legislation.

not odd to me that all the good ole boys dont want to change the system .

they want more power not less. less restraint , not more. constitution to them is a nuisance unless it suites their needs.

I am glad others see the only one in the room that talks about that is also the one they said from the start never had a shot.

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The constitution does not need to go. the government needs to not be allowed to do anything that is not specifically assigned to it in the constitution

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^^^ what he said. The government should be forced to live within the constitution that was designed to keep it under control.
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^^^ what he said. The government should be forced to live within the constitution that was designed to keep it under control.
That would be great , if the ones who made the laws were forced to live by them.

Never happen though

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"Making taxes progressive is the right goal"

just wow ... right out of the communist manifesto
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just wow ... right out of the communist manifesto
It's also right out of Adam Smith. What's your point?

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Tax code into the shredder and to be replaced with no more than 10 pages would be straight out of MY book. To be repeated in every country.
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