Obama was the first president to ever skirt by without a background check, which is why this is still a conspiracy theory.
I personally think the guy is a moron, but, who am I to say? The only people that are bigger moron's are the ones that gave this moron the Nobel Peace Prize.
So do you have a special area or room you keep your unicorn in ?
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Exactly my point W8...and to all those who believe what they are told...YES I DO BELIEVE THAT OBAMA got into office without a background check. If there had been one, none of the current conspiracies theories would have even been postulated. (caps not for yelling, but for impact)
I too, have a unicorn . . .
but no one believes they even exist.
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Thank you! I forgot that!
I personally haven't seen a better presidential candidate since Reagan, and right now, I weep for our kids, grandkids and great grandkids. The america I live in now is not the America I was born into.
(I purposely didn't capitalize the first america)
Thanks for not being afraid to post the truth
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I know I take the unpopular position with this ( duh lol), but I actually like the way Arpaio does things. He's a hardass who won't give in to things he doesn't believe in. That is a trait that has been lost a long time ago among anybody who is in the public eye anymore. I don't think he'll ever change either, they'll have to vote him out, or he'll have to die, but he won't give. Admirable. With the way he runs his jail, I'll be willing to bet recidivism rates in his jurisdiction are pretty low too.
The point on recidivism is interesting. I don't have any expertise in the field, so don't give this more weight than it's worth, but I'm fairly sure that the link between recidivism and the harshness of the penalty is a bit more complex. For low-harm crimes, you need to more-or-less double the penalty to get a significant decrease in recidivism. For more brutal crimes (like assault, murder, etc.), the stiffness of the penalty doesn't seem to make any difference. This latter point is especially relevant because I think those would be the crimes you're most concerned about.
I personally disagree with Arpaio on many fronts. Contrary to what someone argued above, it is not clear to me that rigid enforcement of immigration laws is a good thing for the country, and there are many other areas (like the war on drugs) where Arpaio will cost the US and the state of Arizona a great deal of money with no appreciable decrease in the threats that he purportedly targets.
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Originally Posted by Andy Wehmeyer
The experience you have listening to music through speakers may be similar to drinking great wine and eating the best cheese, but the speaker isn't the wine, it's the wine glass. The music is the wine and cheese. Artists make great music, artisans make great food. Engineers and factories design and make great speakers.
The point on recidivism is interesting. I don't have any expertise in the field, so don't give this more weight than it's worth, but I'm fairly sure that the link between recidivism and the harshness of the penalty is a bit more complex. For low-harm crimes, you need to more-or-less double the penalty to get a significant decrease in recidivism. For more brutal crimes (like assault, murder, etc.), the stiffness of the penalty doesn't seem to make any difference. This latter point is especially relevant because I think those would be the crimes you're most concerned about.
I personally disagree with Arpaio on many fronts. Contrary to what someone argued above, it is not clear to me that rigid enforcement of immigration laws is a good thing for the country, and there are many other areas (like the war on drugs) where Arpaio will cost the US and the state of Arizona a great deal of money with no appreciable decrease in the threats that he purportedly targets.
There's an economic cost to rigid enforcement of immigration laws, as well. See Alabama.
Or a volcanic spew beyond earthly standards, a literally otherworldly load filled with bolemic reasonings based on insufficient knowledge relying entirely too much on assumption while never considering occam's razor, logic, common sense or a decent point..
Or a volcanic spew beyond earthly standards, a literally otherworldly load filled with bolemic reasonings based on insufficient knowledge relying entirely too much on assumption while never considering occam's razor, logic, common sense or a decent point..
just another possibility of what I might have said but didn't. Logical, huh?
They still cling to the birth certificate thing because its all theyve got. Theyre at the ropes end when it comes to actual criticisms of obama, so they must resort to conspiracy theories which by definition cannot be disproven.
Do you want a list of things we can truly criticize? It's not hard to come up with a quick few. And for the record I can find no difference between the republicans and the democrats.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Do you want a list of things we can truly criticize? It's not hard to come up with a quick few. And for the record I can find no difference between the republicans and the democrats.
I struggle to explain this in simpler terms..
this is a fringe conspiracy theory, the fact that its being posted en masse by conservatives on discussion boards means they have given up on actually bringing any real argument to the table. The only alternative is they seriously think that this is an actual argument with substance, which is downright stupid.
this is a fringe conspiracy theory, the fact that its being posted en masse by conservatives on discussion boards means they have given up on actually bringing any real argument to the table. The only alternative is they seriously think that this is an actual argument with substance, which is downright stupid.
I'm sorry we're such simpletons. But even most simpletons could provide a birth certificate in less than three years time. Really, how hard is it? Think of all the things you need to have a birth certificate for. Drivers license, passport, enrolling in school, just about any job above minimum wage, etc.
He could have quelled this whole thing by producing a birth certificate back in 2008 but instead waited until 2011. Maybe he just didn't think he "owed" it to us, the simpletons. Who are we to question the King anyway?
Heck, I can't believe he had to go all the way back to Hawaii to get a copy. There wasn't a copy submitted in Illinois or Washington DC he could have used or at least referenced? While working in America he's never submitted his birth certificate to anyone? C'mon...none of us are that stupid to believe that are we?
I'm sorry we're such simpletons. But even most simpletons could provide a birth certificate in less than three years time. Really, how hard is it? Think of all the things you need to have a birth certificate for. Drivers license, passport, enrolling in school, just about any job above minimum wage, etc.
He could have quelled this whole thing by producing a birth certificate back in 2008 but instead waited until 2011. Maybe he just didn't think he "owed" it to us, the simpletons. Who are we to question the King anyway?
Heck, I can't believe he had to go all the way back to Hawaii to get a copy. There wasn't a copy submitted in Illinois or Washington DC he could have used or at least referenced? While working in America he's never submitted his birth certificate to anyone? C'mon...none of us are that stupid to believe that are we?
Wow, no wonder you didnt get what i was saying, youre a birther retard hahah. Keep on crossing those fingers, im sure if you click your heels together enough times it will all come true and obama will be removed from office
oh, and communists are now "far left"? that only works if you also say fascism (nazis) is a far right movement
Wow, no wonder you didnt get what i was saying, youre a birther retard hahah. Keep on crossing those fingers, im sure if you click your heels together enough times it will all come true and obama will be removed from office
oh, and communists are now "far left"? that only works if you also say fascism (nazis) is a far right movement
I don't get what you're saying because you haven't said anything. Now you've run out of mental ammunition and resorted to name calling. You can exit this thread now.
Or maybe you can address some of the statements I made? Or at least read all my posts to learn that I'm simply saying that it MIGHT be a fake because the entire government is so corrupt anything is possible? At least read the links I provided to educate yourself. Try to learn who really influences the governments decisions. It's really quite scary.
And as far as I'm concerned the far right is the closest thing to Nazis we've had in a long time. One of the first thing Hitler did was get rid of the unions and that seems to be the first thing on the Republican agenda. Bush took YOUR tax money and gave it to the banks so the banks can later come back and repossess YOUR home. If the banks had that many bad home loans the government should have paid off the home loans. This way the banks would have the money AND the people would still have their homes. Imagine how much money we could pump into the economy as consumers if we (or at least are large number of us) didn't have a house payment? Instead they decided to pay off their big business buddies instead of the citizens. They literally robbed you to pay the banks. Thieves.
There, now do you know where I stand? I don't believe in God, or gods, or souls, or holy spirits. I'm not the right leaning, tea bagging, ditto-head you try to make everyone who doesn't like King Obama out to be. Some people just don't like Obama for his policies, his czars, and his mandates. Deal with it.
You, on the other hand, stated the Democrats aren't even far left enough for you. Scary.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
oh, and communists are now "far left"? that only works if you also say fascism (nazis) is a far right movement
Holy Carp! You actually went there.
IMHO, there is no room for either communism, Fascism, or Socialism in my country. This country was founded on a freedom from persecution that England was giving to their citizens. This persecution was religious persecution. These men, all God-Fearing men, wrote the Declaration of Independence to keep us free from having to accept a certain religion. England was a Catholic nation, and to be a citizen of England, you must be Catholic. They demanded more. So they left.
My suggestion to anyone that reads this thread, is if you are so fed up with what the Government is doing that the only way you think you can make a difference is post your anti-god, anti-government, anti-freedom drivel on a public internet forum, than my suggestion is to promptly leave this hellhole you call a country.
But before you do, do this. Sell everything you own...you will need the money to buy a distant little island that has no inhabitants except for a few monkeys and snakes, blow off having a passport, can you can have your little island and since you are the "founder and owner" of said island, you can deem who is allowed in and out.
There you can start your own religion or lack there of. You can have your own barter system where Banana's are the C-notes of your island. Since there are monkeys there, you can prove that Darwin was right by performing coitus with the chimps..and then evolution on your island has a fighting chance. You can be your own government, with your own people (chimphumans) and you can be your own god.
Or you can get out off your computer chair, start researching all of the current candidates (by talking to their local campaign group leaders. This way you get the skinny on each person, and what they stand for, rather than reading the mindless ramblings of the internet. Once you have a firm grasp of what each candidate stands for...do yourself a favor. Vote for the one that best suits what you want your america to be for your offspring and their offspring. Because the current administration, and the 2012 administration, will have a HUGE bearing on what will happen to the america you children's children will have to live in.
Easy enough? Like Nike's slogan....Just Do It
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Or a volcanic spew beyond earthly standards, a literally otherworldly load filled with bolemic reasonings based on insufficient knowledge relying entirely too much on assumption while never considering occam's razor, logic, common sense or a decent point..
I'm still trying to figure out why you, generalkoord, and rommelrommel are always making personal attacks. Then, it kinda dawned on me.... all three of you are openly advertising your open lust for violence... your name is "Aviation WARFARE Chief", "GENERALkoord", and "COMMANDER rommelrommel (implied)."
It's just so laughable to me that the three of you seem to derive your very existence from conflict here on the board... I have only seen a couple posts from any of you that is not inflammatory in nature. A good debate focuses on the topic at hand, not in attempting to skew focus by tossing around verbal abuse and hoping something sticks. If you want to do that, you guys could plan a field trip together, pack a picnic lunch, hold hands, and go visit the monkey cage at the zoo. They like flinging shit there too. If you want to debate the issue, based on hard facts, or even on beliefs you decide to hold because you haven't gone out to prove or disprove them, that's fine. I am ready to and have supported my points with documentation, some of it directly from the source. If you choose to ignore it, then fine. Enjoy.
But back on topic, even Barack Obama supports Ron Paul.... pics make it true, right?
I'm still trying to figure out why you, generalkoord, and rommelrommel are always making personal attacks. Then, it kinda dawned on me.... all three of you are openly advertising your open lust for violence... your name is "Aviation WARFARE Chief", "GENERALkoord", and "COMMANDER rommelrommel (implied)."
It's just so laughable to me that the three of you seem to derive your very existence from conflict here on the board... I have only seen a couple posts from any of you that is not inflammatory in nature. A good debate focuses on the topic at hand, not in attempting to skew focus by tossing around verbal abuse and hoping something sticks. If you want to do that, you guys could plan a field trip together, pack a picnic lunch, hold hands, and go visit the monkey cage at the zoo. They like flinging shit there too. If you want to debate the issue, based on hard facts, or even on beliefs you decide to hold because you haven't gone out to prove or disprove them, that's fine. I am ready to and have supported my points with documentation, some of it directly from the source. If you choose to ignore it, then fine. Enjoy.
But back on topic, even Barack Obama supports Ron Paul.... pics make it true, right?
So you wanted me to stick with the heavenly thing?
All I'm sayin' is, I read some of your stuff that is completely your business, and I respect that, and even support you. But, I could have been a flaming asshole about it and been completely off topic, even if your wording wasn't exactly what it implied. However, that's not professional, especially between fellow servicemembers.
I'm fairly sure we both took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and it looks like we're not doing that great of a job. Discussion is meant to stimulate the mind, not the bowels. Peace
All I'm sayin' is, I read some of your stuff that is completely your business, and I respect that, and even support you. But, I could have been a flaming asshole about it and been completely off topic, even if your wording wasn't exactly what it implied. However, that's not professional, especially between fellow servicemembers.
I'm fairly sure we both took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and it looks like we're not doing that great of a job. Discussion is meant to stimulate the mind, not the bowels. Peace
So did Obama. I'm not sure what you're talking about, but GK's understanding of gravity is fucked.
WAIT!! It's from Hawaii... AND it expired in 2008, just months before the election!
OBAMA IS MCLOVIN!!! I have IRREFUTABUL PROOFZORS!!
Who gives a fuck, I can't hear above 15kHz anyway... Wtf????? Where this shyt com from?? Nd why the Hell they point u out??? Who told u.this? Dats Fukn childish kvndoom will become famous soon enough
I am just so sick of hearing the freeman/sovereign citizen stuff.
I do not believe that I sold myself into slavery and that the govt will allow me to redeem my sovereign status by putting punctuation in my name and asserting my rights. I do not believe that it's right to stop paying my bills and taxes and availing myself of the benefits of what that money went to because the govt is not sending me what my reading of some totally out of context law says I should get to prove that I owe that money. I don't believe that I can simply pseudo-legalese bombard my way out of problems of my own doing.
Even if there is truth to what they espouse SO many people are simply following it because it allows them to not pay tax, not pay their bills, not take part in any part of society that they don't like, and feel good about themselves. Plus throw in the racists and just general nutters that are just desperate for any pseudo-legitimate arguement against the legitimacy of established government. I'm just sick of it and think that when something obviously appears to be bullshit that it's alright to call it bullshit. I shouldn't have to publish a 5000 page thesis about why water is wet.
All I'm sayin' is, I read some of your stuff that is completely your business, and I respect that, and even support you. But, I could have been a flaming asshole about it and been completely off topic, even if your wording wasn't exactly what it implied. However, that's not professional, especially between fellow servicemembers.
I'm fairly sure we both took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and it looks like we're not doing that great of a job. Discussion is meant to stimulate the mind, not the bowels. Peace
Bullshit.
You have been.
Professional? You do this for a living? You deserve no respect from me. You've made it clear from the get-go that you offer none and want none. That's how much I'm prepared to offer you. You lost you're chance for respect from me about 5 attacks ago in so many threads. Like I said. Bullshit.
I am just so sick of hearing the freeman/sovereign citizen stuff.
Oh, and it's Field Marshal btw
Is that what his particular brand of lunacy is called? You mean there are actually a whole group of people that think the way he does?? Only in America
I am just so sick of hearing the freeman/sovereign citizen stuff.
I do not believe that I sold myself into slavery and that the govt will allow me to redeem my sovereign status by putting punctuation in my name and asserting my rights. I do not believe that it's right to stop paying my bills and taxes and availing myself of the benefits of what that money went to because the govt is not sending me what my reading of some totally out of context law says I should get to prove that I owe that money. I don't believe that I can simply pseudo-legalese bombard my way out of problems of my own doing.
Even if there is truth to what they espouse SO many people are simply following it because it allows them to not pay tax, not pay their bills, not take part in any part of society that they don't like, and feel good about themselves. Plus throw in the racists and just general nutters that are just desperate for any pseudo-legitimate arguement against the legitimacy of established government. I'm just sick of it and think that when something obviously appears to be bullshit that it's alright to call it bullshit. I shouldn't have to publish a 5000 page thesis about why water is wet.
Oh, and it's Field Marshal btw
Again, you're making assumptions. Nowhere have I ever mentioned freeman/sovereignty, especially for citizens. I'm not part of that, thank you- I told you, I am a Citizen of the Indiana Republic. That's because I believe in learning what the law actually says, instead of taking everyone else's words and actions for it. You do know that simply "acting" like you are something (even if you aren't) is enough to get you convicted in a court of equity?
And no, you didn't sell yourself, you gave yourself away. Punctuation, no matter how clever, can't make up for a lack of understanding, and you've obviously done just enough reading to really confuse yourself and think you've got a handle on what other people are doing. If you're a United States citizen, you have no rights to assert, only the privileges that Congress allows you. The only parts of the Constitution that apply to you are from the 14th Amendment on, none of the original wording carries any weight. Again, you're pulling stuff out of your keister by claiming everyone interested in learning who they are (and are not) are shirking bills and the taxes they are actually liable for (hint: a Citizen of one of the many united States is not liable, unless they volunteer, for federal income taxes, unless of course you choose to work for the U.S. Government). I've never said anything about eliminating government, just that they are supposed to be the servants, not the Master. And, if you're truly intent on figuring out who you are and were born in one of the many States, you would not apply for any "benefits" (Soc. Sec., unemployment, welfare, yada yada) because if you bother to read the law, most clearly state that to collect any of these monies you must be a federal employee. I'm not, so why would I lie and try to collect this? There are some confused (and/or scheisters, they are probably ex-politicians) souls who attempt to separate themselves from the Federal Zone but attempt to claim federal benefits. Shame on them. They should get caught.
In addition, if people who are learning who they are/are not are responsible humans, there are many valid taxes we should pay: STATE sales/use tax, STATE tolls/roadway tax, STATE gasoline tax. Only the taxes that actually go for things that the local government provides in the area you live. Not a single fucking penny of any federal income tax that persons (this includes corporations thanks to "words of art") pay goes to provide for anything you, I, or any other living being will ever get from the U.S. Government- it's all spent as "interest" on the "national debt". You do understand the irony of that, correct? That "WE, THE PEOPLE" are responsible FOR the national debt..... when it really means that the UNITED STATES has borrowed that amount of money against the collateral of our labor and our possessions (past, present, and future). They've simply convinced a large mass of simpletons (probably 280 million) that that money has been borrowed "FOR" every Tom, Dick, and Susie, and not "FROM" them. The Federal Reserve Act (and resulting Bank) is a real piece of work on the economic raping of the American people. I hope Woodrow Wilson is still burning in hell for his crimes against us.
In addition, even though some have been programmed as such, racists and other hateful people are just another diversion the controllers have created: if we are divided as a people and always bickering between ourselves, we'll never have the time to see how bad they are screwing us every day.
Although I doubt any of you who are already giving each other "rainbow-fives" in defense of the government will bother to read this, here's a link that puts most of it into one document for your ease of reference. It does not ask you to trust anything, it asks you to open your mind to possibility, provides references and some interpretation, and tells you to check them and interpret for yourself. If you do, and still want to swallow the blue pill, so be it. I'm not at war with you. Here: http://www.famguardian.org/Publicati...eoParadigm.pdf
Finally, I used "Commander" to distinguish Rommel, as there were a total of 26 German Field Marshals [Generalfeldmarschall] (including two the month before Germany's surrender), yet was one of the few who was actively in charge of an attacking force, and therefore, Commander.
And AWC, this just goes to show why many here think you're an asshole (rightfully so). I clearly extended a figurative handshake of peace, and you continue to act like a tool; a petulant five-year-old kid. You obviously can't comprehend English either, as you highlight pieces of my post and then go off into some loony orbit trying to create some irrelevant fantasy. No worries, you can post unrelated crap about me in every single thread from here until the end of your fairy-world and I won't care or respond.
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Definition of PROFESSIONAL:
exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner
Again, you're making assumptions. Nowhere have I ever mentioned freeman/sovereignty, especially for citizens. I'm not part of that, thank you- I told you, I am a Citizen of the Indiana Republic. That's because I believe in learning what the law actually says, instead of taking everyone else's words and actions for it. You do know that simply "acting" like you are something (even if you aren't) is enough to get you convicted in a court of equity?
And no, you didn't sell yourself, you gave yourself away. Punctuation, no matter how clever, can't make up for a lack of understanding, and you've obviously done just enough reading to really confuse yourself and think you've got a handle on what other people are doing. If you're a United States citizen, you have no rights to assert, only the privileges that Congress allows you. The only parts of the Constitution that apply to you are from the 14th Amendment on, none of the original wording carries any weight. Again, you're pulling stuff out of your keister by claiming everyone interested in learning who they are (and are not) are shirking bills and the taxes they are actually liable for (hint: a Citizen of one of the many united States is not liable, unless they volunteer, for federal income taxes, unless of course you choose to work for the U.S. Government). I've never said anything about eliminating government, just that they are supposed to be the servants, not the Master. And, if you're truly intent on figuring out who you are and were born in one of the many States, you would not apply for any "benefits" (Soc. Sec., unemployment, welfare, yada yada) because if you bother to read the law, most clearly state that to collect any of these monies you must be a federal employee. I'm not, so why would I lie and try to collect this? There are some confused (and/or scheisters, they are probably ex-politicians) souls who attempt to separate themselves from the Federal Zone but attempt to claim federal benefits. Shame on them. They should get caught.
In addition, if people who are learning who they are/are not are responsible humans, there are many valid taxes we should pay: STATE sales/use tax, STATE tolls/roadway tax, STATE gasoline tax. Only the taxes that actually go for things that the local government provides in the area you live. Not a single fucking penny of any federal income tax that persons (this includes corporations thanks to "words of art") pay goes to provide for anything you, I, or any other living being will ever get from the U.S. Government- it's all spent as "interest" on the "national debt". You do understand the irony of that, correct? That "WE, THE PEOPLE" are responsible FOR the national debt..... when it really means that the UNITED STATES has borrowed that amount of money against the collateral of our labor and our possessions (past, present, and future). They've simply convinced a large mass of simpletons (probably 280 million) that that money has been borrowed "FOR" every Tom, Dick, and Susie, and not "FROM" them. The Federal Reserve Act (and resulting Bank) is a real piece of work on the economic raping of the American people. I hope Woodrow Wilson is still burning in hell for his crimes against us.
In addition, even though some have been programmed as such, racists and other hateful people are just another diversion the controllers have created: if we are divided as a people and always bickering between ourselves, we'll never have the time to see how bad they are screwing us every day.
Although I doubt any of you who are already giving each other "rainbow-fives" in defense of the government will bother to read this, here's a link that puts most of it into one document for your ease of reference. It does not ask you to trust anything, it asks you to open your mind to possibility, provides references and some interpretation, and tells you to check them and interpret for yourself. If you do, and still want to swallow the blue pill, so be it. I'm not at war with you. Here: http://www.famguardian.org/Publicati...eoParadigm.pdf
Finally, I used "Commander" to distinguish Rommel, as there were a total of 26 German Field Marshals [Generalfeldmarschall] (including two the month before Germany's surrender), yet was one of the few who was actively in charge of an attacking force, and therefore, Commander.
And AWC, this just goes to show why many here think you're an asshole (rightfully so). I clearly extended a figurative handshake of peace, and you continue to act like a tool; a petulant five-year-old kid. You obviously can't comprehend English either, as you highlight pieces of my post and then go off into some loony orbit trying to create some irrelevant fantasy. No worries, you can post unrelated crap about me in every single thread from here until the end of your fairy-world and I won't care or respond.
Originally Posted by Adele Weiss, The Galileo Paradigm
Up until the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868, there was no such thing as a "U.S. citizen" in federal laws. The term "U.S. citizen" was originally invented to protect the former slaves following the end of the Civil War. Reading the history prior to the Civil War you find most Americans considered allegiance primarily to the singular state of the Union in which they resided.
You will find this fact stated in Crosse v. Board of Supervisors, 221 A. 2d 431 (1966):
"Both before and after the Fourteenth Amendment to the Federal Constitution, it has not been necessary for a person to be a citizen of the United States in order to be a citizen of his state."
Re: Obama's Birth Certificate A 'Forgery'
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I'm not sure what you're talking about, but GK's understanding of gravity is fucked.
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