Ok, I saw a guy stealing wire a few months ago, he saw that I saw him, got on his bike and rode off, I followed in my car while on the phone with the cops until I lost him, cops picked him up a bit later, called me, said thanks.
Not a 1 to 1 parallel but if you can't follow the trail here... watching a suspicious person and keeping visual contact doesn't mean that you're automatically waiting for a chance to kill the guy.
The difference is you were witness to a crime. Zimmerman wasn't.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman himself why he was following him. For him to ask this in a conversational tone, meant Zimmerman had to be extremely close. NOONE follows someone around that closely and expects to be treated in anything resembling a normal manner. Take into account previous complaints of overzealous behavior and a pattern begins to form. This wasn't his first run-in with a neighbor.
Also, calling 911 would be retreating. Once Trayvon felt threatened, he had a right to defend himself without duty to retreat. You don't have to be assaulted before you can protect yourself. You only have to feel threatened. Following someone could be considered instigating the issue.
I don't think anyone is claiming the 911 operators are legal authorities, but they gave him some good advice I'm sure he wish he had heeded.
I thought that was how nature photographers worked.
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Nonsense?
Okay, tell me when the last time anyone, or hell, anything, deliberately follows something it perceives to be a threat with absolutely no intention to do harm to it.
Ok, I saw a guy stealing wire a few months ago, he saw that I saw him, got on his bike and rode off, I followed in my car while on the phone with the cops until I lost him, cops picked him up a bit later, called me, said thanks.
Not a 1 to 1 parallel but if you can't follow the trail here... watching a suspicious person and keeping visual contact doesn't mean that you're automatically waiting for a chance to kill the guy.
About a year or so ago I saw a suspicious drunk driver on the hi-way swirving from the far left lane to the far right lane just back and foward. It was around 11pm during the week so it looked suspision to me because there was no traffic just him swirving. I try to get his license plate numbers but only got the first three (crazy driver was also speeding).
I called 911 at that very second and let them know what I've seen. They asked me "are you following the suspect" ofcourse after I gave them description of the vehicle, I said "yes but only because his traveling on the hi-way in the same direction as I am/headed on hi-way."
The operator ( I dont care who it is civilian or cop) told me "please dont follow and exit right away, we dont need anything bad to happen." So I complied with them and existed right away on the next exit.
Why I did this, because I thought about it as soon as the operator said "something bad can happen" I thought to myself **Uhmmm I got my wife and kids in the car, if this is a drunk driver he could wreck his car at a hi-speed and I sure as hell dont want to be behind him**.
Same thing with Zimmerman, he could of thought **Man, this black boy looks suspisions and COULD BE ARMED AND DANGEROUS, I better let the police question him instead of my dumbass wanna be cop**
Oh I might add to the fact that I've never known (even when I was a teen) of a teenager calling 911 because they thought they were being followed. They would probably first call a love one, its just common sense the kid was a well a KID or teenager.
Everyone is treating Trayvon as an adult that fought another adult when the differences where given over and over (age/weight) then the witnesses that say they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon - Was that before or after Trayvon supposably punched and bashed Zimmerman's head on the concrete?
it doesnt matter what age/weight the teen now days is trying to fight. Like I said, you clearly dont get out of the house much if you truly believe that. Teens now days really dont mind what age or height you are. They think they are untouchable.
it doesnt matter what age/weight the teen now days is trying to fight. Like I said, you clearly dont get out of the house much if you truly believe that. Teens now days really dont mind what age or height you are. They think they are untouchable.
No I understand and believe you. But do you actually feel treathen by a teenager (of Trayvons weight and age) if they come up to you and try to fight you??? Unless your his weight and age I would understand, but me being much older and much heavier I know how to defend myself without KILLING SOMEONE.
As an adult I will do anything necessary to protect myself or love ones. If that includes fighting dirty (ball kicking, biting, hair pulling) then so be it, I bet I'll win the fight.
No I understand and believe you. But do you actually feel treathen by a teenager (of Trayvons weight and age) if they come up to you and try to fight you??? Unless your his weight and age I would understand, but me being much older and much heavier I know how to defend myself without KILLING SOMEONE.
As an adult I will do anything necessary to protect myself or love ones. If that includes fighting dirty (ball kicking, biting, hair pulling) then so be it, I bet I'll win the fight.
Oh, I wouldnt say that I felt threatened, but the weight really is irrelevant (his weight). Im a big dude, 6'0'' 285. But Im not goign to lie, Im sure there are some 150 pound guys out there that could put a hurting on me given the chance, or by surprise.
If one was to punch me in the nose without me seeing it coming (if it was dark persay, or I came around a corner, or they snuck up from behind and when i turned around popped me) see where Im coming from? When you get hit in the nose, what happens? your eyes water like crazy.
Now, then I get taken down, and Im getting my ass handed to me on the ground. Ive got a gun in my waist band, damn right Im going for it, as at that point, Im a little worried about what is going to happen to me.
The above is the point Im making. Following him in the first place, dumb move. But there can be another side to the story other then what we are seeing/hearing.
I thought that was how nature photographers worked.
Um... Touche I guess
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The moment the kid turned around sealed the deal. He can't/shouldn't have confronted the man if he wasn't anything more than a perceived threat. He brought it on himself. He should have just walked home with the idiot following him.
Lots of judges & jurors here..... hmmmm or could it be blindness by biased perception? Possibly some other deep rooted character hidden within? Hmmmm..... one thing for sure, it's good to have such revealing conversations to forewarn & and forearm.
Oh I might add to the fact that I've never known (even when I was a teen) of a teenager calling 911 because they thought they were being followed. They would probably first call a love one, its just common sense the kid was a well a KID or teenager.
Everyone is treating Trayvon as an adult that fought another adult when the differences where given over and over (age/weight) then the witnesses that say they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon - Was that before or after Trayvon supposably punched and bashed Zimmerman's head on the concrete?
Maybe the witness was wrong, or misremembered what happened to fit their preconceptions, or popular opinion...
If you make the big boy decision to throw a punch (if he did so) you get the big boy consequences.
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No I understand and believe you. But do you actually feel treathen by a teenager (of Trayvons weight and age) if they come up to you and try to fight you??? Unless your his weight and age I would understand, but me being much older and much heavier I know how to defend myself without KILLING SOMEONE.
As an adult I will do anything necessary to protect myself or love ones. If that includes fighting dirty (ball kicking, biting, hair pulling) then so be it, I bet I'll win the fight.
Yes, I'd feel threatened by a 6 foot 150 pound person. All I see Zimmerman as is a overweight lard ass, the "added size" isn't any benefit unless they decided to settle things by sumo match.
Trayvon is obviously in good shape, could be trained, could be armed, could be high, putting myself in Zimmerman's shoes this guy definitely could hurt me. If he sucker punched me maybe I'm dazed, can't see well, he gets a few more good shots in, I'm on the ground, yes now maybe I'm really scared.
I'm not about to defend Zimmerman yet nor can I speak to his state of mind but I very much object to people that are ready to hang the guy based on sketchy reports and believing that the only possible explanation for his behaviour is premeditated murder.
About a year or so ago I saw a suspicious drunk driver on the hi-way swirving from the far left lane to the far right lane just back and foward. It was around 11pm during the week so it looked suspision to me because there was no traffic just him swirving. I try to get his license plate numbers but only got the first three (crazy driver was also speeding).
I called 911 at that very second and let them know what I've seen. They asked me "are you following the suspect" ofcourse after I gave them description of the vehicle, I said "yes but only because his traveling on the hi-way in the same direction as I am/headed on hi-way."
The operator ( I dont care who it is civilian or cop) told me "please dont follow and exit right away, we dont need anything bad to happen." So I complied with them and existed right away on the next exit.
Why I did this, because I thought about it as soon as the operator said "something bad can happen" I thought to myself **Uhmmm I got my wife and kids in the car, if this is a drunk driver he could wreck his car at a hi-speed and I sure as hell dont want to be behind him**.
Same thing with Zimmerman, he could of thought **Man, this black boy looks suspisions and COULD BE ARMED AND DANGEROUS, I better let the police question him instead of my dumbass wanna be cop**
You honestly exited the freeway because the driver IN FRONT of you MIGHT have gotten in a wreck? With sufficient following distance, there's nothing to worry about. Why would you do this?
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No I understand and believe you. But do you actually feel treathen by a teenager (of Trayvons weight and age) if they come up to you and try to fight you??? Unless your his weight and age I would understand, but me being much older and much heavier I know how to defend myself without KILLING SOMEONE.
As an adult I will do anything necessary to protect myself or love ones. If that includes fighting dirty (ball kicking, biting, hair pulling) then so be it, I bet I'll win the fight.
Why would a fat 5'9" guy be threatened by an in shape 6'3" guy, I can't figure it out. Tell me, what exactly does that extra 100lbs of fat hanging off of Zimmerman's body do for him in a fight? I see it all the time, you take a 150lb guy with just the slightest amount of training against the average Joe 100lbs heavier and the little guy is going to win 99% of the time. I'm 6'1", 230lbs, and very low bodyfat and I don't take anyone lightly and that's with a fair amount of training. You just never know.
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Oh, I wouldnt say that I felt threatened, but the weight really is irrelevant (his weight). Im a big dude, 6'0'' 285. But Im not goign to lie, Im sure there are some 150 pound guys out there that could put a hurting on me given the chance, or by surprise.
If one was to punch me in the nose without me seeing it coming (if it was dark persay, or I came around a corner, or they snuck up from behind and when i turned around popped me) see where Im coming from? When you get hit in the nose, what happens? your eyes water like crazy.
Now, then I get taken down, and Im getting my ass handed to me on the ground. Ive got a gun in my waist band, damn right Im going for it, as at that point, Im a little worried about what is going to happen to me.
The above is the point Im making. Following him in the first place, dumb move. But there can be another side to the story other then what we are seeing/hearing.
Exactly. A 150lb guy possesses knockout power and anything can happen. IMO, the size argument just doesn't make sense especially when the alleged "victim" is 6" taller than his "attacker".
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is it illegal to follow somebody?
No
Is it illegal to hit somebody
Yes
The moment the kid turned around sealed the deal. He can't/shouldn't have confronted the man if he wasn't anything more than a perceived threat. He brought it on himself. He should have just walked home with the idiot following him.
I wouldn't have let him follow me home but if I were truly scared I would have called 911. You can turn around in a non confrontational way and have a conversation. Once the punch was thrown all bets were off. It sounds like the only one overreacting here was the kid.
So here's the sad thing to me.... You've got a fat 5'9" guy who was out trying to help out the community. He gets attacked by a 6'3" guy, nose busted, head banged on the ground and cut open, his gun is almost taken away and he manages to get off a shot in self defense. The only thing he did was walk in the same direction as Trayvon.
For all we know, the kid hates White and Mexicans and that's why he threw the punch. It sounds crazy but that's no more speculation than what the media and some people on here are doing.
Back to Zimmerman, he's already been tried, sentenced, and executed by the media and much of America. This guy is going to pay the price for murder whether he's guilty or not. It's a witch hunt. Who's going to hire this guy? Where is he going to move to in order to be safe? All of this because he shot a black kid in self defense, wow. The real racists are the ones signing the petition to get him arrested.
You guys that think you won't get beat down just for being white need to get out more. I could spend all night writing about the names I've been called or fights I've been in for being white in the wrong place or just for being white while shopping at the mall. Even if the conspiracy theorists are right and the facts are wrong (lol) I don't see why the media blows it up when this kind of stuff goes on all the time the other way around.
I know how this stuff works because I've been through it. How many innocent white kids do you think have already been beaten up in response to this story? How many of those do you think the media will do a story on?
It sucks the kid is dead but maybe, just maybe he is to blame for his own death and maybe there was no racism involved.
Lastly, this is just pathetic. The media is not trying to stir things up at all.
Media shows some pictures of Treyvon when he looks to be 10yrs old and Zimmerman in a prison uniform:
More current via Google:
My problem with these pictures is only with the media and their pathetic bias, trying to ignite racial tensions and the fact that it might illustrate that at the time he was shot, Treyvon could very possibly look threatening and be threatening.
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Back to Zimmerman, he's already been tried, sentenced, and executed by the media and much of America. This guy is going to pay the price for murder whether he's guilty or not. It's a witch hunt. Who's going to hire this guy?
The NRA? If Bristol Palin can cash in on her pre-marital sex episode with a full blown abstinence tour... There surely is a job for this upstanding citizen. I bet he finds Jesus in all this too.
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The NRA? If Bristol Palin can cash in on her pre-marital sex episode with a full blown abstinence tour... There surely is a job for this upstanding citizen. I bet he finds Jesus in all this too.
Good try.
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You honestly exited the freeway because the driver IN FRONT of you MIGHT have gotten in a wreck? With sufficient following distance, there's nothing to worry about. Why would you do this?
Why would a fat 5'9" guy be threatened by an in shape 6'3" guy, I can't figure it out. Tell me, what exactly does that extra 100lbs of fat hanging off of Zimmerman's body do for him in a fight? I see it all the time, you take a 150lb guy with just the slightest amount of training against the average Joe 100lbs heavier and the little guy is going to win 99% of the time. I'm 6'1", 230lbs, and very low bodyfat and I don't take anyone lightly and that's with a fair amount of training. You just never know.
Exactly. A 150lb guy possesses knockout power and anything can happen. IMO, the size argument just doesn't make sense especially when the alleged "victim" is 6" taller than his "attacker".
I wouldn't have let him follow me home but if I were truly scared I would have called 911. You can turn around in a non confrontational way and have a conversation. Once the punch was thrown all bets were off. It sounds like the only one overreacting here was the kid.
So here's the sad thing to me.... You've got a fat 5'9" guy who was out trying to help out the community. He gets attacked by a 6'3" guy, nose busted, head banged on the ground and cut open, his gun is almost taken away and he manages to get off a shot in self defense. The only thing he did was walk in the same direction as Trayvon.
For all we know, the kid hates White and Mexicans and that's why he threw the punch. It sounds crazy but that's no more speculation than what the media and some people on here are doing.
Back to Zimmerman, he's already been tried, sentenced, and executed by the media and much of America. This guy is going to pay the price for murder whether he's guilty or not. It's a witch hunt. Who's going to hire this guy? Where is he going to move to in order to be safe? All of this because he shot a black kid in self defense, wow. The real racists are the ones signing the petition to get him arrested.
You guys that think you won't get beat down just for being white need to get out more. I could spend all night writing about the names I've been called or fights I've been in for being white in the wrong place or just for being white while shopping at the mall. Even if the conspiracy theorists are right and the facts are wrong (lol) I don't see why the media blows it up when this kind of stuff goes on all the time the other way around.
I know how this stuff works because I've been through it. How many innocent white kids do you think have already been beaten up in response to this story? How many of those do you think the media will do a story on?
It sucks the kid is dead but maybe, just maybe he is to blame for his own death and maybe there was no racism involved.
Lastly, this is just pathetic. The media is not trying to stir things up at all.
Media shows some pictures of Treyvon when he looks to be 10yrs old and Zimmerman in a prison uniform:
More current via Google:
My problem with these pictures is only with the media and their pathetic bias, trying to ignite racial tensions and the fact that it might illustrate that at the time he was shot, Treyvon could very possibly look threatening and be threatening.
Gotta agree with that.
For sure there was a way to turn around in a non-confrontational manner. In situ though, how do you make that move? There are a lot of unknowns, given that situation I would probably make the decision as the situation warranted, but for sure, I would try and do it without being confrontational. Given the attitudes of most kids these days I Imagine something was done or said to exacerbate the situation.
you (not you, looks like you have already asked yourself) have to ask this question....
does it really make sense that a man with a gun, who had called 911 to tell them he was following a suspicious person, would then, given no extra confrontation shoot the guy? The fact that he called 911 makes me think no... something else HAD to have happened to make him take the next step. If he was just out hunting black people he would have shot the kid BEFORE he called 911, not after the call was complete. It just doesn't make sense to me... and as the brilliant legal mind judge judy says, if it doesn't make sense then it isn't true or didn't happen
While this is all speculation on my part due to things being blown up by the mass media to fit their agenda, I do see some issues. Following are my random thoughts on these issues...
Why did Zimmerman follow and confront Martin? Isn't that overstepping his authority as a neighborhood watch member? Which part of WATCH was misunderstood?
Also, did Zimmerman walk up behind Martin and grab him on the shoulder? If so, that is considered assault in many jurisdictions, and one can reasonably expect to receive an immediate reaction to that. Let's put it this way, if you grabbed someone on the shoulder in the dark, would you expect nothing to come out as a result of it?
I could be wrong, but I don't think the Castle Doctrine was meant to allow someone to follow, confront, then use deadly force for a confrontation that they started. I thought it was more to avoid that duty to retreat bullshit that some other states have where if one kills an individual who is trying to take their life, that one will find him/herself on trial for murder because they didn't retreat. I know I read about at least one case in another state where the person was cornered in their bedroom and shot an armed intruder, only to find themselves in jail for manslaughter because they didn't retreat from the intruder trying to kill them in their own home.
Don't get me wrong, I am an avid supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but I am not for ordinary citizens playing judge, jury, and executioner. I also realize that I may be missing part of the story due to the mass media agenda and certain other individuals covering their asses so my views on this particular case could change if any cold hard evidence surfaces.
In the end, it's tragic that a life was lost, and tragic that another life will more than likely be ruined in the eyes of the public.
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if it happened that way then for sure he is guilty, but if he did nothing more than follow the kid then how did the kid end up shot?
there is a lot of missing info, the media is totally fucking this case OJ style and I fear now, with all the ramifications of this situation the truth may never be known.
I thought the last thing heard on Zimmerman's 911 call was "why are you following me" from treyvon.
If that's accurate, I don't think we can accept that Zimmerman confronted him or physically contacted him prior to that.
Most likely scenario I see, assuming we're getting good info is that kid is pissed about Zimmerman following him, confronts him, who knows what gets said. At some point it goes physical. Zimmerman suffers some mild to serious injuries. Zimmerman shoots once. Treyvon dies.
it doesnt matter what age/weight the teen now days is trying to fight. Like I said, you clearly dont get out of the house much if you truly believe that. Teens now days really dont mind what age or height you are. They think they are untouchable.
Try asking a black girl to be quiet in a movie theater. I dare you.
Around here it's not uncommon to hear about black girls throwing punches at white adults. A quick youtube search will prove that. So I don't think it's hard to imagine a male doing it. I'm sure that 5'9", 250lb, round, short, butterball that Zimmerman was didn't seem like much of a threat. Remember, according to Trayvon's GF, the scuffle started right after Zimmerman asked him "what are you doing in this neighborhood?" I can easily imagine Trayvon assuming he's been dissed, profiled, or singled out by "the man" in front of his GF and instead of answering the question with words decided to throw punches. In fact, I'll bet his GF heard a lot more than what shes telling. I'll bet she heard all the way up to the gunshot.
Around here.... you see a white man looking redneck as hell, arm in arm with a black woman. Around here, you see a big sedan rolling on giant rims blasting rap, it's a young white girl or guy. Around here, you see some older white woman shopping, she's toting her mixed grandchild. Around here.... around here proves nothing beyond the fact that if we look hard enough through rose colored glasses, we can find enough backing to justify biasness and racial profiling.
The fact is, this thread is full of assumptions leaning towards what whoever wants or wishes it to turn out to be. Take out all the parts of racism, forget about their nationalities, then what will you have? Is it self defense, aggravated manslaughter, or murder? Can that simple question be answered without reverting back to having to use race or profiling in any of your cases? If you keep having to go back to that, what is that saying about the individual making the comment? I'm just saying.....
I know it's not PC but when it comes to my money, my property, my loved ones, and my personal security I like to play the odds. Crime statistics and security videos tell us a lot and I'm not going to put my family and possessions at risk over some politically correct bullshit.
Does this mean that every black person wearing a hoodie is a criminal? Of course not. That's ridiculous to say but that's what someone will try to twist my words to mean. <-This is a type of social engineering. Social engineering is a con which the perpetrator puts someone in an awkward social situation in order to gain the upper hand. By making people feel awkward about profiling it allows the criminals to go unchecked. IE: A shoplifter yelling out "Are you checking my bags because I'm (insert race)?!!" thus causing a scene and making the white security guard feel awkward leaving the shoplifter to go about his business unchecked. It's sad that 80 year old German grandmothers get the "pat down" at airport security checks just because we (Americans) are afraid to offend someone.
There's a photo of the Miami Heat wearing hoodies that makes me laugh. It makes me laugh because these men all live in gated communities and would be the first people calling security if they seen someone in a hoodie walking around their neighborhood. Two fat security guards in a golf cart would hustle over to question the stranger immediately. This makes them hypocrites.
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I see your point & I can go along with that although it's not clearly as solid in every case. You do point that out and I commend you on that. However, like I pointed out, if we took all those aspects out which may not have much bearing to Zimmerman's defense, is he guilty? The racism can be played in different ways to either charge him with motive or state the type of crime, but can we say he was justified in his pursuit on up to the shooting? I think that will be the basis of arguement should a case ever be brought against him. Anyone playing the race card (whether for or against) will obscure the law. That law should be examined first, then if found guilty, charge him with a hate crime due to the nature of his behavior during the course if it is so.
One thing is for sure, regardless of how much we want to protect ourselves, loved ones, & possessions, we must stay within strict confines of the law else we are criminals as well....
I see your point & I can go along with that although it's not clearly as solid in every case. You do point that out and I commend you on that. However, like I pointed out, if we took all those aspects out which may not have much bearing to Zimmerman's defense, is he guilty? The racism can be played in different ways to either charge him with motive or state the type of crime, but can we say he was justified in his pursuit on up to the shooting? I think that will be the basis of arguement should a case ever be brought.against him. Anyone playing the race card (whether for or against) will obscure the law.
No, he should never have followed him in the first place. Im pretty sure we can almost all agree on that. But did that give him a reason to shoot the kid? I think something else clearly happened there.
Like I said earlier, if it was black on black, or black on white, it never would have made the national news.... white (which is funny, because he is hispanic) on black and its front page... Profiling.
The shooting incident is what clearly causes the controversy. Anyone recall "flight or flee"?! Just as it is possible Zimmerman shot in self-defense, Trayyvon may have chosen to fight in fear of his life if the gun was pulled. Those parts are unknown and any comment or theory on that without proof is pure speculation.
Zimmerman not only followed Trayvon he was on the phone with the 911 operators. And while on the phone he said some things that just put him in a hotter seat.
For example: "This assholes always get away with it." just with this I would say its more than enough evidence that points Zimmerman as the aggressor and that he actually wanted to do something about this "assholes getting away with it", and wasn't going to do as told by 911 operator nor follow his OWN neighborhood watch rules regarding suspicious persons.
Thats what I believe it only takes, take that to the jury and let them decide. If their real honest people, they will get it through their head and realize all of this HAPPEN BECAUSE OF ZIMMERMAN's poor choices. WHY should this be Trayvons fault- all he was doing was walking to the corner store for some candy and a drink. Why shouldn't Zimmerman be found guilty of manslaughter/murder when its clearly on the 911 operator's calls that he wasn't going to "LET THIS ASSHOLES GET AWAY WITH IT".
Atleast thats what Zimmermans state of mind was. Am pretty sure once Trayvon (17years) saw some fat ass with a mean mug (looks) looking at him and following him, he either got scared/frightened and had to do something about it.
Please someone tell me they wouldn't do anything about a person following "you" and their on the phone (hmmm maybe a contract to kill, hitman perhaps?) and they follow you in the dark.
Trayvon knew he was innocent and wasn't on drugs/alcohol didnt have anything on him, so the only thing A TEENAGER knows what to do is confront their problems. Yes I agree Trayvon should of called 911 and maybe then the operator would of told Zimmerman "look here dumbass stop following him, your scaring him and he's on the otherline with use and told us how your following him and how "YOU" yourself looks suspisions". Would of love to seen that dumbass Zimmerman's face.
Oh Zimmerman is not WHITE, his MIXED. With a last name like that either your father/mother is white or sometime in your family tree someone was white and had "ZIMMERMAN" on their last name. I've never met a hispanic/mexican/south american with a last name like Zimmerman. But his race doesn't matter, what matters was HIS ACTIONS that he took that night and how a life was lost simply because Zimmerman was on a powertrip and "wasn't going to let this assholes get away". He should be punished with his own life, I feel for the family if he only gets a year or two.
Re: Trayvon Martin & Zimmerman thoughts?
Tell me, what exactly does that extra 100lbs of fat hanging off of Zimmerman's body do for him in a fight? I see it all the time, you take a 150lb guy with just the slightest amount of training against the average Joe 100lbs heavier and the little guy is going to win 99% of the time. I'm 6'1", 230lbs, and very low bodyfat and I don't take anyone lightly and that's with a fair amount of training. You just never know.
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