I think we're missing the bigger picture here. Imagine if he didn't surrender but rather moved to the next room? Only 12 kills is in itself, a miracle; that or he was a lousy shot. It may sound harsh for the 12+ killed, but what I am trying to say is that it could have been far, far worse for nearly everyone in that theater, including staff and police arriving on scene.
Why don't you stop running your mouth and look it up. There is a video on YouTube with an Nice still shot with full view of entire place which is enormous and it's got very clear swastika pattern to it.
Does that mean anything? Don't know. But there are all kinds of other things in it that sure don't belong in an airport.
Unless you are used to having paintings on your walls with very creepy nazi looking guys with big swords and guns and dead children and crying mothers everywhere.
Or just stay in your little bubble.
I can't imagine any decent person approving of the paintings that they have in that airport.
For once look it up. Or just roll your eyes
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister during World War II said: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion; truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
James Eagan Holmes, the suspect in the Colorado shooting rampage, is described as a quiet, standoffish, graduate student from San Diego who recently dropped out of a doctoral program at the University of Colorado medical school, where he had done research.
He graduated with honors from the University of California-Riverside two years ago.
James Holmes spent a year in a small neuroscience doctoral program, surrounded by scientists and roughly three dozen classmates delving into the inner workings of the brain.
I suspect that his social skills were minimal at best, I see that his I.Q. must have been exceptional. He may have suffered social failures all of his life, that eventually culminated in this rather bizarre acting out.
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Like I said , doesn't mean anything. But there are many other weird things about that place.
That I will not get into.
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister during World War II said: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion; truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
I suspect that his social skills were minimal at best, I see that his I.Q. must have been exceptional. He may have suffered social failures all of his life, that eventually culminated in this rather bizarre acting out.
Or he is a patsy for those (NATO) that want dimwits like Reid and Clinton to convince other slow people that Americans should not have guns.
Those same people who believe that will solve anything are the same people who think Hitler was an isolated person and there aren't bad people walking among us every day.
I will have to dig up the quotes of recent stating that "Obama needs another OKC or other mass killing, to revive his popularity "
I will also have to post up article in NY times that states " all major media outlets are controlled by the government as to what they say and how they report it"
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister during World War II said: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion; truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Those painting are morbid and disturbing any way you look at it.
Big giant scary knife with dove pierced on the tip.
No , that doesn't signify a thing. Dead children and scary man with gas mask? Again , nothing.
Why does everything happen in Denver ?
Drills out at mile high stadium where they round everyone up like cows.
Columbine shooting?
A cop working security when they built that place stated that as soon as a contractor or worker finished their particular job they were immediately removed. Not casually but immediately.
The entire place is weird. Purple horse in from has meaning. Weird marble stone has meaning.
All of it bad.
The place is full of gloom and doom.
I noticed not one comment about the "Drill " they had about fake movie theatre massacre the same day the real one happened only a few miles away.
Sleepwalking people all over. That's what's wrong with this country and why we have a run away gub right now. Lulled us all to sleep.
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister during World War II said: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion; truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
All I can say is that I hope I am never in a theatre with most of you conceal and carry people who think you are trained like police and military. I'm sorry, but playing Call of Duty all day doesn't mean you are properly trained. I can almost guarantee more would have died if others started shooting back. People running everywhere in mass hysteria in the dark with some sort of gas and you are going to try to hit the shooter? Tell me where you would have shot him, because now you know that he was wearing all the bullet proof shit and can actually sort of plan it out....but as the time, you would had just died, because your shots would have been ineffective or maybe killed someone else.
Oh, and for all others that would have turned super hero and know exactly what you would have done, you are full of shit. You would like to think you know what you would have done, but unless you were faced with that situation (and I hope you never are) you could have easily just pissed yourself and curled up on the floor crying like a baby!
Why don't you stop running your mouth and look it up. There is a video on YouTube with an Nice still shot with full view of entire place which is enormous and it's got very clear swastika pattern to it.
Does that mean anything? Don't know. But there are all kinds of other things in it that sure don't belong in an airport.
Unless you are used to having paintings on your walls with very creepy nazi looking guys with big swords and guns and dead children and crying mothers everywhere.
Or just stay in your little bubble.
I can't imagine any decent person approving of the paintings that they have in that airport.
For once look it up. Or just roll your eyes
I did look it up, Jax! There just isn't anything that strikes me as conspiratorial or sinister. I'm sure the design of the runways had nothing to do with air traffic control and wind patterns, and everything to do with making a racist statement.
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I did look it up, Jax! There just isn't anything that strikes me as conspiratorial or sinister. I'm sure the design of the runways had nothing to do with air traffic control and wind patterns, and everything to do with making a racist statement.
I never said anything about what it meant. I clearly stated it had the shape. And you clearly opened your mouth to make a smart remark about me.
I very clearly stated that I didn't know if it was relevant at all.
Forget the shape of the place, all the rest of the oddities is enough to make you wonder "why?"
When I say "why?" I mean why have all of it in there ?
I see none of those pics as artwork that belongs in public airport.
Gargoyles and all the other stuff.
Out of place to me.
Has nothing to do with sinister conspiracy.
Would you want pics of kids dead all over at your elementary school ?
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister during World War II said: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion; truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Since when does a swastika automatically mean something racist? There were jews in hitlers army.
It represents to me more of a tyrannical dictatorship than anything to do with race. The fact he thought whites were supreme had nothing to do with swastika and everything to do with eugenics which is a bunch of evil elitest bull.
You took what I said and decided what I meant when I clearly made no statement cause I really don't know what significance it could have.
Now the paintings are a different story.
"Freedom first". I laugh every time I see your name.
Who's freedom ? Just yours ?
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister during World War II said: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion; truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
All I can say is that I hope I am never in a theatre with most of you conceal and carry people who think you are trained like police and military. I'm sorry, but playing Call of Duty all day doesn't mean you are properly trained. I can almost guarantee more would have died if others started shooting back. People running everywhere in mass hysteria in the dark with some sort of gas and you are going to try to hit the shooter? Tell me where you would have shot him, because now you know that he was wearing all the bullet proof shit and can actually sort of plan it out....but as the time, you would had just died, because your shots would have been ineffective or maybe killed someone else.
Oh, and for all others that would have turned super hero and know exactly what you would have done, you are full of shit. You would like to think you know what you would have done, but unless you were faced with that situation (and I hope you never are) you could have easily just pissed yourself and curled up on the floor crying like a baby!
When it comes to guns you have the most predictable knee-jerk reaction.
Which is laughably colorful.
Methinks you only read what you wanted to here.
Many here, myself included (which you know) are pro firearm/CC, I do recall stating that I would be eating boogers off the bottoms of those seats too.
JAX, could you please send me a sample of the water you are drinking ?
I can have it tested and let you know what the make-up is.
your soaps are on now arent they Oliver?
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister during World War II said: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion; truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
playing Call of Duty all day doesn't mean you are properly trained
But I have played Counter-Strike for 13 years...which is a better training aid than COD.
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wearing all the bullet proof shit
True, but if you get hit in the chest or any part of your body that is armored, you're going down or at minimal you're going to be distracted enough to stop what you're doing and break your concentration...you might not be critically injured, but you're not going to be standing there like the man of steel while you get hit with gun fire. Perspective changes a lot for people when they are on the wrong end of a gun. He was on the trigger side so he was in control...but being on the bullet side may have snapped him to reality. Who knows...we'll never know.
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you could have easily just pissed yourself and curled up on the floor crying like a baby!
True. Can't say if I would have done that or not...but if I was armed, I would at least had the option to try and defend myself and/or others. People running out of that theater had no other options.
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All I can say is that I hope I am never in a theatre with most of you conceal and carry people who think you are trained like police and military. I'm sorry, but playing Call of Duty all day doesn't mean you are properly trained. I can almost guarantee more would have died if others started shooting back. People running everywhere in mass hysteria in the dark with some sort of gas and you are going to try to hit the shooter? Tell me where you would have shot him, because now you know that he was wearing all the bullet proof shit and can actually sort of plan it out....but as the time, you would had just died, because your shots would have been ineffective or maybe killed someone else.
Oh, and for all others that would have turned super hero and know exactly what you would have done, you are full of shit. You would like to think you know what you would have done, but unless you were faced with that situation (and I hope you never are) you could have easily just pissed yourself and curled up on the floor crying like a baby!
Funny, I do not even carry a firearm, but COD...seriously!! No!! US Navy, SSDF(Ships Self Defense Force) Team Leader USS Ponce, VBSS(Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure) Team Leader USS Ponce. NEC9613 USN SpecWar Communicator, with follow on Weapons and Tactics Training. Used to take the boats out and put 40K rounds down range with 7 of us in 2 days, this occurred once per month during work ups. Had multiple full sim training in close quarters and urban combat. Been exposed to CS on multiple occasions I could keep going. And once again...bullet resistant, and according to accurate reports it was a Tactical Vest...Might be squirt gun proof??
The only part of your post that makes any sense, is that in that exact situation there is the uncertainty of which way my switch would flip....Fight or Flight.
Per reports, many of the people that were harmed were not in the Front row. The shooter allegedly was directing most of his fire towards the upper level. The shooter absolutely had some effects of tunnel vision, due to wearing a gas mask...the scenario could have played out many different ways if there was, and I repeat from earlier posting, someone armed/unarmed with proper training. They say, never bring a knife to a gun fight....I tend to lean towards that it depends on who is carrying the gun.
This whole affair is terrible, as said earlier in the thread my heart goes out to those involved.
AFAIK American gun laws are to protect civilians from a tyranical GVT by allowing the arming of militias-though some quick reading points to most militias being underground to prevent confiscation of horded weaponry-just what end to these laws serve?
While I don't think more stringent gun laws would have stopped this incident, lets face it you can't put the cork back in that bottle, they may have slowed things down and proved more of a deterant to him and while the introduction of more stringent laws about unregistered arms may eventually see a reduction in those. Ultimately he would have been able to source the weapons illegally if he wished and still been ble to do as he did.
Given trained military personel occasionally shoot one another in the intensity of a fire fight I wouldn't think any "have a go heros" would have done much to address the balance and the outcome would have been the same.
The only way to protect the innocent in this instance would be to have everyone searched prior to entering the cinema-but then you'd just bring the fire fight into the foyer or another location where searches weren't done.
In the end you cannot legislate against everyone, there will always be some nut who will find a way to do something terrible-you could say the UK equivalent to gun crime is alcohol induced violence-now try and tell everyone who's not violent after a few that they can't drink anymore-won't wash either!
Those paintings are very weird to have in an airport, so is the horse, for their meaning you'd really need to know the artist's intentions as art is so open to interpretation.
All the training in the world coupled with SAW's, M9's, M16A2 and even a blackhawk is only as good as your mindset will allow. There are many times where we could gear up and prepare, most importantly, you have to get your mind ready to die or kill to stay alive. The guns are extensions to the battle mindset. I think it would be impossible to be sitting in a theater thinking about the butter on your popcorn and being excited about what should be a good movie and flip the kill switch that quickly. It would take an entirely different mindset just to figure out what was going on. Most civilians haven't experienced CS gas and don't realize how to just focus past it.
I feel like this. If I spent a few months planning and didn't mind being charged, I don't think there would be anything anybody could do about it. Were I to put myself into that position, I would already be prepared to die. This, after all, is just like a mission. Anybody who was carrying would have to stabilize their position before a decent shot could be taken. With an AR, I would have the upper hand on aim and my mindset would have me prepared for heroes.
The real problem as I see it, though, is the motivation. Unfortunately, I think I have an idea about that as well. I think it will continue also. There is a count issue. This guy wanted to have the highest kill rate. Its about the number as simple and silly as that sounds. Were I to take up a mission like this, I would know all the numbers, all the exits, all the stairs and any hiding spots. Once it begins, he's got one chance in one theater to beat the last kill rate.
What's the difference between the protective gear Holmes had on and the North Hollywood robbers gear? I ask because small caliber bullets bounced off of their armor and they were able to wreak havoc for approximately 44 minutes, fully surrounded by law enforcement.
When it comes to guns you have the most predictable knee-jerk reaction.
Which is laughably colorful.
Methinks you only read what you wanted to here.
Many here, myself included (which you know) are pro firearm/CC, I do recall stating that I would be eating boogers off the bottoms of those seats too.
And I wasn't referring to you Chad, I was referring to all those that think they would have been better off because they had a gun and a few hours at a shooting range, not to mention the shock of the moment.
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But I have played Counter-Strike for 13 years...which is a better training aid than COD.
True, but if you get hit in the chest or any part of your body that is armored, you're going down or at minimal you're going to be distracted enough to stop what you're doing and break your concentration...you might not be critically injured, but you're not going to be standing there like the man of steel while you get hit with gun fire. Perspective changes a lot for people when they are on the wrong end of a gun. He was on the trigger side so he was in control...but being on the bullet side may have snapped him to reality. Who knows...we'll never know.
True. Can't say if I would have done that or not...but if I was armed, I would at least had the option to try and defend myself and/or others. People running out of that theater had no other options.
True, if he walked up to you, then at least you have a fighting chance. But, then again, he is able to fire 60 rounds a minute....so I doubt it.
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Funny, I do not even carry a firearm, but COD...seriously!! No!! US Navy, SSDF(Ships Self Defense Force) Team Leader USS Ponce, VBSS(Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure) Team Leader USS Ponce. NEC9613 USN SpecWar Communicator, with follow on Weapons and Tactics Training. Used to take the boats out and put 40K rounds down range with 7 of us in 2 days, this occurred once per month during work ups. Had multiple full sim training in close quarters and urban combat. Been exposed to CS on multiple occasions I could keep going. And once again...bullet resistant, and according to accurate reports it was a Tactical Vest...Might be squirt gun proof??
The only part of your post that makes any sense, is that in that exact situation there is the uncertainty of which way my switch would flip....Fight or Flight.
Per reports, many of the people that were harmed were not in the Front row. The shooter allegedly was directing most of his fire towards the upper level. The shooter absolutely had some effects of tunnel vision, due to wearing a gas mask...the scenario could have played out many different ways if there was, and I repeat from earlier posting, someone armed/unarmed with proper training. They say, never bring a knife to a gun fight....I tend to lean towards that it depends on who is carrying the gun.
My point is I HATE out gun laws. Really, how many people play FPS games online and think they are trained in weapons....I am sure more then you think. I don't have a problem with people owning guns or conceal/carry laws, but look at the hours it takes and test/training to drive a car....but if I want a gun, I walk in a fill out a form and pay a small fee.
I believe all gun owners should either have to prove the training (like you have through the military) or do some sort of gun training and pass a test (maybe a mental one as well) before being issued a gun permit.
Say 5 people in that theatre had a gun and all decided to shoot, mass chaos, gas, bad lighting and you all are going to "take him down"? You don't even know if he is the only shooter, so you end up wounding innocent bystanders and probably shooting each other thinking you all were with him (or getting shot by police). I read so many times where someone has had someone purposely hit their car or something else non-threatening and they say they would have shot the guy .
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Since when do they have bulletproof gear that covers your whole body?
He had armor, neck protector, etc. He was pretty well covered.
I would say without guns ( if gun laws are changed ), something similar could have been accomplished with explosives of some kind, I.E. grenades or similar type devices.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
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