Which mids to go with my new supremo tweets?

[hrearden22]

Don't have room for bigger than 6.5, but have plenty of depth.

I can give them 175 @ 4 or 225 @ 2 (Kicker ZX850.4).

Going in the door of a Tahoe. sub is DIYMA, H/U is eclipse 8053.

Am considering Supremo SW6s (if I can ever find them for a lower price), or Dyn 162s - would ideally like to be around the $200-$300 mark.

[invinsible]

You can look dyn 162, Morel MW1664.
I even found the Dotech ovation midwoofer to be good sounding when powered it 150Rms or more. It has a higher Qts of 1.09 which is good for IB use. Also spec wise it looks good.
Have used them, they have a good off axis response

[dmazyn]

I am running the piccolos with dyna MW160GT and they pair up great. I would love to try out the Supremo SW6s but like you said hard to find at the right price.

[audiodepot101]

Originally Posted by dmazyn

I am running the piccolos with dyna MW160GT and they pair up great. I would love to try out the Supremo SW6s but like you said hard to find at the right price.

The right price is hard to find! But all so worth it!

[jbholsters]

I am also running the 162GT's with a set of piccolos. I'm not crazy about the combo. The Dyn mid is too inefficient for the tweets. Or put another way, a more efficient mid would keep up better with those Morels. I'm running 150 to each tweet and 300 to each mid. While it sounds great, the GT (and most other Dyn's) will require a crap load of power compared to what you throw at the tweets. Just my experience.

[audiodepot101]

Originally Posted by jbholsters

I am also running the 162GT's with a set of piccolos. I'm not crazy about the combo. The Dyn mid is too inefficient for the tweets. Or put another way, a more efficient mid would keep up better with those Morels. I'm running 150 to each tweet and 300 to each mid. While it sounds great, the GT (and most other Dyn's) will require a crap load of power compared to what you throw at the tweets. Just my experience.

I agree , I had the Dyno MW182's with 330watts of Se goodness going to them, but it did sound like they were out class by the Morels, so i went to the Supremo 9", Perfect!

[hrearden22]

Thanks for the help guys. I posted a WTB Supremos in the Classified section, but not expecting much. Anyone have thoughts on the Usher 8945P?

Parts-Express.com:Usher 8945P 7" Carbon Fiber/Paper Woofer w/Phase Plug | 8945p 7" woofer 7 inch woofer midbass midwoofer carbon fiber woofer ushTweet-41108

[bassfromspace]

Originally Posted by hrearden22

Thanks for the help guys. I posted a WTB Supremos in the Classified section, but not expecting much. Anyone have thoughts on the Usher 8945P?

Parts-Express.com:Usher 8945P 7" Carbon Fiber/Paper Woofer w/Phase Plug | 8945p 7" woofer 7 inch woofer midbass midwoofer carbon fiber woofer ushTweet-41108

There's several reviews on this driver on the forum. I'd be hard pressed to spend Supremo money, when Parts-Express, Meniscus, and Madisound have so many great drivers for much cheaper.

Zaph's website is a great place to start and read reviews.

[jbholsters]

double post

[jbholsters]

here are what I have narrowed it down to for myself.

Hertz ML165
PHL 1330
18 Sound 6ND430

If you are running the mid in a door, the Hertz would be the way to go, the other 2 have way to low of a Qts for an open air space of a door.

Kind of gravitating towards the 18 Sound myself. They would play from 80 to 2.2kHz

[jbholsters]

Originally Posted by hrearden22

Thanks for the help guys. I posted a WTB Supremos in the Classified section, but not expecting much. Anyone have thoughts on the Usher 8945P?

Parts-Express.com:Usher 8945P 7" Carbon Fiber/Paper Woofer w/Phase Plug | 8945p 7" woofer 7 inch woofer midbass midwoofer carbon fiber woofer ushTweet-41108

I don't think those will be efficient enough. They are listed at SPL: 86 dB 2.83V/1m and are 8 ohms. If you go with an 8 ohm speaker you will want something +3dB from what you have now (if what you have now is a 4 ohm driver) to get the same amplitude, otherwise it would kind of be like cutting your wattage in half, which is 3 dB down. So if your amp is rated at 175, an 8 ohm speaker would play -3dB or it would see the equivilant of 87.5 watts from the amp.

Your Piccolo's are 90dB (2.83V/1M) and are 6 ohm drivers. If you are running 2X the power of what the tweets see relative to the mids (lets say 90 watts per tweeter and 175 per mid), then you would want a 4 ohm mid that is 89 dB (2.83V/1M) or higher. If you want to run an 8 ohm driver, you would want something that is 91.5 dB (2.83V/1M) or higher. Also, the 8 ohm drivers will most likely have more dynamics, which is a good thing.

Almost forgot, another speaker to look at is the ID X65 and ID X57. The X57 has more surface area than the 6.5. Both speakers would match up sensitivity-wise with your tweets.

[bassfromspace]

Originally Posted by jbholsters

I don't think those will be efficient enough. They are listed at SPL: 86 dB 2.83V/1m and are 8 ohms. If you go with an 8 ohm speaker you will want something +3dB from what you have now (if what you have now is a 4 ohm driver) to get the same amplitude, otherwise it would kind of be like cutting your wattage in half, which is 3 dB down. So if your amp is rated at 175, an 8 ohm speaker would play -3dB or it would see the equivilant of 87.5 watts from the amp.

Your Piccolo's are 90dB (2.83V/1M) and are 6 ohm drivers. If you are running 2X the power of what the tweets see relative to the mids (lets say 90 watts per tweeter and 175 per mid), then you would want a 4 ohm mid that is 89 dB (2.83V/1M) or higher. If you want to run an 8 ohm driver, you would want something that is 91.5 dB (2.83V/1M) or higher. Also, the 8 ohm drivers will most likely have more dynamics, which is a good thing.

Almost forgot, another speaker to look at is the ID X65 and ID X57. The X57 has more surface area than the 6.5. Both speakers would match up sensitivity-wise with your tweets.

While I respect your thought process, it's really not that cut and dry.

My recommendation would be to buy what interests you and install it and tweak from there.

[audiodepot101]

Oh i almost forgot these are 4hom.Morel SCM634 Supreme 6" Midrange Speakers Pair NEW - eBay (item 380172896959 end time Nov-28-09 15:48:00 PST)

[jbholsters]

I get ya, but if he gets a mid that is under efficient and is building his system in a 1:2:3 power structure, he's going to disapointed with the dynamics of the midbass/midrange. Just food for thought.

[jbholsters]

Originally Posted by audiodepot101

Oh i almost forgot these are 4hom.Morel SCM634 Supreme 6" Midrange Speakers Pair NEW - eBay (item 380172896959 end time Nov-28-09 15:48:00 PST)

Those would work fine, but you can get them for less from Madisound: LINK

Also, take a look at the Dyn650's. They will work better in a door. They are more than the linked one's above, but less than the SW6's and have a crazy +/- of 9mm which equals lots air movement.

[audiodepot101]

same price, Madi $640 plus tax and shipping which will come out to be more? that price on ebay is for two

[jbholsters]

Madisound is in MI, your in CA. There is no sales tax, but there is a warrenty. Do what you want, but I'd get them from Madisound. You might want to look at the graph on those though, the off axis at even 20 deg. below 100hz isn't very good. Might kind of suck with you being over 20 degrees from the drivers door.

[audiodepot101]

If you take a close look at the plot it is good to about 2200hz, but the plot was done at a 8ohm load, I by the way did have a chance to demo them and they did very well, the OP is trying to pick a driver that blends with the morel supremos which i also have, and had a chance to demo many drivers with them. i am just offering help from experience.

[jbholsters]

OK, not trying to argue, but they look like crap below 100, especially off axis and you can't fix that with an eq and get any output from the speaker is all I'm saying. He can do whatever he wants. I'm sure they will work fine for him

I too have the Piccolo's

[audiodepot101]

I mean I can show plenty of plots like that, like the scanspeaks and we all know how they sound. real world results. http://www.madisound.com/catalog/PDF...w_4531g00e.pdf