8" high output sub selection

[FLYONWALL9]

I'm posting this in order to help out a friend, also, I'm not all that familiar with current product.

He is looking to get a HIGH output 8" subwoofer . The car is a LEXUS IS, the enclosure will be inside his spare tire with perhaps another 2" or so of depth from a raised trunk floor. The goal is for 'FREAK OUT' factor. He is looking to use an 8 to both use as little space as possible with LOTS of power. We are looking to get in the order of 132-136db. Power will likely come from one of the high output Memphis amps , because that is in his price range UNLESS someone can suggest something better in the 600-800w range. SQ isn't so much of a concern as this driver will only provide the lowest of freq, the front
stage will be 3 way with a Peerless SLS 8, 2 way 'A' pillars yet to be decided on.

The only sub I could suggest would be a 'Sundown' because that is the only one I am aware of. The budget is in the ball park of 200 bucks or less.

So, if you guys could shoot me some idea's, suggestions, and perhaps reference links. OR first hand knowledge

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered.

Scott

[Chaos]

There aren't many 8's that can reliably take that much power besides the 8W7. Possibly the Sundown SA-8, Kicker S8L7 or something from Digital Designs. Plan on porting the enclosure if you expect to get any where near 130 db.

[FAUEE]

The 8W7 is very deep for an 8, but it does work well.

I've got a Kicker 8" L7 in a sealed box right now in my car, it's one of the least deep high output 8s out there (one of my main concerns as I didn't have much room to work with). It definitely puts out some bass, and will surprise you for being a single little tiny 8. I could probably get more bass and a lower frequency response if I ported it, but I haven't tried it yet.

The Sundowns or DDs would work well. Alpine is coming out with an 8" Type-R soon as well, so that might be worth looking into.

[tmcdade]

The TC Sounds Epic 8" is worth checking out
Specs here: http://www.tcsounds.com/tc_files/Epic_08.pdf

Parts Express is supposed to have them in stock now, and according to Kyle over at the TC forum, PE is working on adding them to the website now. Once they're added, you should be able to find them here: Subwoofers Engineered for Performance from TC Sounds. If they're not up by the end of the week, you could try calling PE and trying to order by phone

Hope you find what you're looking for

[subwoofery]

Originally Posted by tmcdade

The TC Sounds Epic 8" is worth checking out
Specs here: http://www.tcsounds.com/tc_files/Epic_08.pdf

Parts Express is supposed to have them in stock now, and according to Kyle over at the TC forum, PE is working on adding them to the website now. Once they're added, you should be able to find them here: Subwoofers Engineered for Performance from TC Sounds. If they're not up by the end of the week, you could try calling PE and trying to order by phone

Hope you find what you're looking for

^Second^ that. I have 2xAudiopulse Epic 8" that are waiting for an install. I'm planning to send 2k rms in a ported box just for laugh and for the "wow" factor.

Kelvin

[sqshoestring]

Just how much space do you have? There is not that much difference in the required volume to move to a 10 or maybe even a 12 if you use the right sub. Otherwise you need some massive xmax in an 8, good luck and let us know how it works whatever way you go.

[Hertz5400LincolnLS]

SS Orphan 8
Tru Bass Ultra 8
Sundown SA-8
DD 1508

My vote would be doing the SS Orphan 8 in .35 vented enclosure using a 10" passive radiator or 2x 8" passive radiators.
***only downfall to the Orphan 8 is the single 6 ohm coil configuration***

[tmcdade]

Originally Posted by tmcdade

The TC Sounds Epic 8" is worth checking out
Specs here: http://www.tcsounds.com/tc_files/Epic_08.pdf

Parts Express is supposed to have them in stock now, and according to Kyle over at the TC forum, PE is working on adding them to the website now. Once they're added, you should be able to find them here: Subwoofers Engineered for Performance from TC Sounds. If they're not up by the end of the week, you could try calling PE and trying to order by phone

Hope you find what you're looking for

The 8" Epic is now on Parts Express website : http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=293-657

[FLYONWALL9]

Originally Posted by Hertz5400LincolnLS

My vote would be doing the SS Orphan 8 in .35 vented enclosure using a 10" passive radiator or 2x 8" passive radiators.
***only downfall to the Orphan 8 is the single 6 ohm coil configuration***

How on earth would this fit 'inside the spare tire?'

[Hertz5400LincolnLS]

Originally Posted by FLYONWALL9

How on earth would this fit 'inside the spare tire?'

Missed the part about it being inside of the spare tire...

[FLYONWALL9]

Originally Posted by Hertz5400LincolnLS

Missed the part about it being inside of the spare tire...

I'm just razzin ya man... I figured you skipped over the OP and
just posted based on subjet. No worries, that is a neat looking
driver just the same

[subwoofery]

Originally Posted by tmcdade

The 8" Epic is now on Parts Express website : TC Sounds Epic 8" DVC subwoofer | Parts-Express.com

Yup, it has returned... The Mighty giant killer
For that price, it's the best for your application. Wiring at either 4 or 1 ohm is a plus too.

Kelvin

[Mahna Mahna]

Look at the Arc8 or JBL GTO8.

[SomeGuy748]

Specs on the Epic are a little confusing. They list Xmax as 22.9 but below that in text it says 2" peak to peak. Well, 22.9mm converts to .9 inches so does that mean you can only use half of the available travel? Sub looks good, seems to have decent power handling, and is priced well though.

The DD1508 is a monster in comparison. 55mm of full travel with a useable 1.9" and 4.4db higher sensitivity. I've been using one of these for the past couple months and it just keeps impressing me. Customers can't believe I get the output I have out of such a small package and it's built in the US. DD also just released a 8" in the 500 series. Lower power requirements and 50mm travel. Been playing with one of these for the last week or so, too, and it's starting to break in. So far would have to say it may be the most bad ass 8" sub I've heard at the $100 price point. It's not on their website yet, but it does exist. Link to 500 series; DD500b Series Subwoofers - DDAudio.com | Digital Designs : Speakers Made in the USA

[subwoofery]

Originally Posted by SomeGuy748

Specs on the Epic are a little confusing. They list Xmax as 22.9 but below that in text it says 2" peak to peak. Well, 22.9mm converts to .9 inches so does that mean you can only use half of the available travel? Sub looks good, seems to have decent power handling, and is priced well though.

Looking at both websites, the DD (as stated below) comes around 55mm of usable throw (if I understand correctly) while the TC Sounds comes close with 51mm = 2" - don't know about the BL deviation resulting from such throw which = distorsion...

The DD1508 is a monster in comparison. 55mm of full travel with a useable 1.9" and 4.4db higher sensitivity. I've been using one of these for the past couple months and it just keeps impressing me. Customers can't believe I get the output I have out of such a small package and it's built in the US. DD also just released a 8" in the 500 series. Lower power requirements and 50mm travel. Been playing with one of these for the last week or so, too, and it's starting to break in. So far would have to say it may be the most bad ass 8" sub I've heard at the $100 price point. It's not on their website yet, but it does exist. Link to 500 series; DD500b Series Subwoofers - DDAudio.com | Digital Designs : Speakers Made in the USA

The DD1508 is really an impressive woofer - gets really loud and sound good doing it. However if you're just comparing the specs from site to site then it's not the best woofer.

Got my specs using a Dayton WT3, here are the real specs:
DD1508 - Audiopulse Epic 8" (previous version)
Qts = 0.773 ........ 0.290
Qes = 0.844 ........ 0.323
Qms = 9.217 ...... 2.882
Fs = 44.6 ........... 27.148Hz
Res = 7.2 ........... 7.498
Sd = 0.18 ........... 0.18m2
Vas = 4.67 .......... 21.08L
mms = 127 ......... 92.54g
cms = 100.3 ....... 371.3
bl = 17.78 .......... 18.76
Sens = 78.94 ...... 82.99dB 1w/1m
Xmax = 17.......... 22mm

I still feel the Epic 8" is a better woofer overall. The DD is not a 1 note wonder like some guyz might think - just not as musical as the TC Sounds.
For the price, I'd get the Epic - paid almost $400 shipped for my 2 x Audiopulses

Kelvin

[Oliver]

YouTube - 2 Sundown Audio SA-8's on a SAZ1500D Roof Flex in HD

Is that high enough ?

The goal is for 'FREAK OUT' factor.

YouTube - Sundown Audio SA-8 152db

[SomeGuy748]

Kelvin,

Those DD specs are interesting and don't really match what DD claims. Do you think this could have anything to do with when the speaker is tested? The reason I ask is my personal experience with DD, the 1500 series in particular, is that they have the most noticeable break in I've ever heard. They play much deeper and louder after a few weeks of play which would indicate some kind of significant change. I know all speakers have a break in period but I've never heard this much change in a speaker before. I've been a DD dealer for about four months now and can't say enough good things about the products or the company and you're right, they aren't just an SPL product. I'd really like to try one IB, but we don't get a lot of call for that.

Not trying to sound like a DD commercial, but I've been really happy with them and some of these numbers have me a bit confused.

[subwoofery]

Originally Posted by SomeGuy748

Kelvin,

Those DD specs are interesting and don't really match what DD claims. Do you think this could have anything to do with when the speaker is tested? The reason I ask is my personal experience with DD, the 1500 series in particular, is that they have the most noticeable break in I've ever heard. They play much deeper and louder after a few weeks of play which would indicate some kind of significant change. I know all speakers have a break in period but I've never heard this much change in a speaker before. I've been a DD dealer for about four months now and can't say enough good things about the products or the company and you're right, they aren't just an SPL product. I'd really like to try one IB, but we don't get a lot of call for that.

Not trying to sound like a DD commercial, but I've been really happy with them and some of these numbers have me a bit confused.

The only spec I got from a DD tech was the Xmax coz I had no way to test that without laser. 17mm from 70% of rest BL.
Xmech might be higher but I don't think it's can be much higher than the Epic since it's Xmax is smaller.

But you're right, the DD is a monster for high output system in a compact size. For people that doesn't have much power, I'd suggest the Kicker L7, in their optimum enclosures and low power, the Kicker eats them for breakfast it's that efficient.

Kelvin

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by subwoofery

The DD1508 is really an impressive woofer - gets really loud and sound good doing it. However if you're just comparing the specs from site to site then it's not the best woofer.

Got my specs using a Dayton WT3, here are the real specs:
DD1508 - Audiopulse Epic 8" (previous version)
Qts = 0.773 ........ 0.290
Qes = 0.844 ........ 0.323
Qms = 9.217 ...... 2.882
Fs = 44.6 ........... 27.148Hz
Res = 7.2 ........... 7.498
Sd = 0.18 ........... 0.18m2
Vas = 4.67 .......... 21.08L
mms = 127 ......... 92.54g
cms = 100.3 ....... 371.3
bl = 17.78 .......... 18.76
Sens = 78.94 ...... 82.99dB 1w/1m
Xmax = 17.......... 22mm

I still feel the Epic 8" is a better woofer overall. The DD is not a 1 note wonder like some guyz might think - just not as musical as the TC Sounds.
For the price, I'd get the Epic - paid almost $400 shipped for my 2 x Audiopulses

Kelvin

New Epic 8" TSP's

http://www.tcsounds.com/tc_files/Epic_08.pdf

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by SomeGuy748

Specs on the Epic are a little confusing. They list Xmax as 22.9 but below that in text it says 2" peak to peak. Well, 22.9mm converts to .9 inches so does that mean you can only use half of the available travel? Sub looks good, seems to have decent power handling, and is priced well though.

The DD1508 is a monster in comparison. 55mm of full travel with a useable 1.9" and 4.4db higher sensitivity. I've been using one of these for the past couple months and it just keeps impressing me. Customers can't believe I get the output I have out of such a small package and it's built in the US. DD also just released a 8" in the 500 series. Lower power requirements and 50mm travel. Been playing with one of these for the last week or so, too, and it's starting to break in. So far would have to say it may be the most bad ass 8" sub I've heard at the $100 price point. It's not on their website yet, but it does exist. Link to 500 series; DD500b Series Subwoofers - DDAudio.com | Digital Designs : Speakers Made in the USA

The industry standard for xmax is 1-way spec. The two way maximum travel spec for the Epic is 64mm.

[subwoofery]

Originally Posted by Kyle

New Epic 8" TSP's

http://www.tcsounds.com/tc_files/Epic_08.pdf

I can see some specs are a little different. What is different/improvements?

Thanks Kyle,
Kelvin

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by subwoofery

I can see some specs are a little different. What is different/improvements?

Thanks Kyle,
Kelvin

The biggest difference between your posted TSP's of the audiopulse and current TC Epic is probably the difference of the cone size. They both have the same size cone which is closer to 0.0167 meters squared rather than 0.0180. The larger cone obviously gives it a bit better sensitivity on paper.

No major improvements with the driver other than the new spider design and we switched out of the aluminum former to the non-conductive stainless steel former which reduces distortion from eddy current found there. The only coil option we have now is the dual 2 option.

[subwoofery]

Originally Posted by Kyle

The biggest difference between your posted TSP's of the audiopulse and current TC Epic is probably the difference of the cone size. They both have the same size cone which is closer to 0.0167 meters squared rather than 0.0180. The larger cone obviously gives it a bit better sensitivity on paper.

No major improvements with the driver other than the new spider design and we switched out of the aluminum former to the non-conductive stainless steel former which reduces distortion from eddy current found there. The only coil option we have now is the dual 2 option.

Ohh ok... Good to know. Regarding the Sd, I just took it from your website:
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...1&d=1296011941

Kelvin

[Eljosh]

Just to kinda throw this in there but Alpine has a new Type r 8 inch.

And as a sidenote, is there a review or comparison of the Epic, because I've been wanting one for a while now, and could only really find some detail talkings on the higher end stuff.

[subwoofery]

Search for "Soundsplinter RL-i8", that is the previous model and has a lot of reviews about them.

Kelvin