I use rear fill with my Premier deh-p780mp... I use the time alignment feature and it actually augments the soundstage and the ability to locate instruments and voices in front of me. However, with the time alignment off, it confuses me and muddles the sound. Anyone else with TA that loves rear fill?
I use rear fill with my Premier deh-p780mp... I use the time alignment feature and it actually augments the soundstage and the ability to locate instruments and voices in front of me. However, with the time alignment off, it confuses me and muddles the sound. Anyone else with TA that loves rear fill?
Yes, I prefer the sound of my system with rear fill on as opposed to off. (I do have TA as well) I've never tried it without the TA though.
I have also tried delaying the rear speakers 20 milliseconds or so and don't like it as well as when its "correctly" time aligned. I can hear the rears coming in after the fronts and it makes the voices less clear.
In my previous car I tried to get by without using the rear fill and all my passengers in the back seat had issues hearing the music. I had 2 way comps in kickpanels. What I will do this time is use the stock rear fill but fade it out completely unless I have passengers in the back.
lol. agreed. I've heard cars with rear fill that sound amazing. It's really a question of how good the install is done. Of course not having them means you spend less money. and that's why i don't use thmem
Honestly in top end cars there are no rear speakers because SQ "sound quality" is setup for optimal performance. I own a civic and I have taken the rear speakers out so that way I have no rear fill as they call it. If you listen to it for a few days you will get use to it and it will definitely sound better than 4 channels. Think of it this way artist record there music in 2 channel format so the optimum way to listen to it is threw 2 channels. My setup is going to be my fronts and a rear sub that's all. After thinking about it and listening to it it sounds way better. So in a nut shell do not get rear speakers or worry about it.
Wow great thread here. I consider myself knowledgeable, but had never thought about this. I will keep some rear speakers (as I have extra people in the car often enough, but I will be cropping the rears out from now on
Honestly in top end cars there are no rear speakers because SQ "sound quality" is setup for optimal performance. I own a civic and I have taken the rear speakers out so that way I have no rear fill as they call it. If you listen to it for a few days you will get use to it and it will definitely sound better than 4 channels. Think of it this way artist record there music in 2 channel format so the optimum way to listen to it is threw 2 channels. My setup is going to be my fronts and a rear sub that's all. After thinking about it and listening to it it sounds way better. So in a nut shell do not get rear speakers or worry about it.
Apparently you can't read either. Throwing a full range in the back of your car isn't rear fill. Refer a few posts above.
I use rear fill with my Premier deh-p780mp... I use the time alignment feature and it actually augments the soundstage and the ability to locate instruments and voices in front of me. However, with the time alignment off, it confuses me and muddles the sound. Anyone else with TA that loves rear fill?
I am using the Clarion DXZ785 with Morel's comp in front and coax at rear. Though the system is passive have connected the comps to the 'highs' and rear coax running of 'Mids', with 200hz to 5k hz freq. on them. Added TA with mild gain and it has definitely helped with cleaner vocals and adds an aura of a bigger room. I tried playing just the front comps with coax off but some how prefer it with rear(coax) on.
Just like that way.
I agree, but with right amount of gain, tuning and TA on rears, it could also make your system sound much better. Quite a few people have heard my setup but when I shut the rears, they do enjoy just the fronts coming off right from the centre of the dashboard, but as I put the rear on, the degree of enjoying the sound increases with the sound yet coming of the centre but giving a feeling/illusion of sitting in a larger concert.
Na from all 14 setups that I have listened too none have had rear fill and it sounds so nice there is no time delay as well. I will stick to what is proven to be the best setup for SQ.
I was wondering if any of you use a stock speaker in the rear? I'm planning to hook up an amp for the rear,would the setup affect my overall sound if I use it in conjuction with my front speakers?
People with speakers in the rear with just T/A aren't doing rear fill. You do not have an SQ set up if you have speakers in the rear and they are not being processed for rear fill duty. There is no way around this.
Basically, if you have speakers in the back and they aren't run through processing to difference both channels and run them to the rear, T/A, delay, and crossed over, you're not doing it right and are basically shouting "I've never heard a decent stereo reproduction. I have no idea what I'm doing!."
Think about a home setup. When you put pro-logic: music on it doesn't just send the same L/R signal to the rears.
you're not doing it right and are basically shouting "I've never heard a decent stereo reproduction. I have no idea what I'm doing!."
That's an elitist way to look at it. Sure more equipment and better components can solve the front / rear problem of car stereo, but it's not simple nor is it cheap. This thread does seem to get a lot of replys comparatively.
That's an elitist way to look at it. Sure more equipment and better components can solve the front / rear problem of car stereo, but it's not simple nor is it cheap. This thread does seem to get a lot of replys comparatively.
It's not really elitist. Stereo is a two channel format. Reproducing the same sound from two different places serves no purpose without time alignment, and IMO, serves little purpose with time alignment. IMO, people use it as a band aid for problems with their front stage's performance, or to acheive more volume. These are hardly reasons rooted in the interest of sound quality.
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People with speakers in the rear with just T/A aren't doing rear fill. You do not have an SQ set up if you have speakers in the rear and they are not being processed for rear fill duty. There is no way around this.
Basically, if you have speakers in the back and they aren't run through processing to difference both channels and run them to the rear, T/A, delay, and crossed over, you're not doing it right and are basically shouting "I've never heard a decent stereo reproduction. I have no idea what I'm doing!."
Think about a home setup. When you put pro-logic: music on it doesn't just send the same L/R signal to the rears.
"SQ" is overrated. Personal preference is the goal.
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What I wanted to say is that amps ... sound the same.
It's not really elitist. Stereo is a two channel format. Reproducing the same sound from two different places serves no purpose without time alignment, and IMO, serves little purpose with time alignment. IMO, people use it as a band aid for problems with their front stage's performance, or to acheive more volume. These are hardly reasons rooted in the interest of sound quality.
I have a friggin outstanding front stage and I'm still adding outstanding rear speakers to improve my front stage...but it won't be stereo. I'll also be adding center channel this weekend, yes, an outstanding one, all to improve the front stage that is already fantastic.
My "reason rooted in SQ" is to give myself...SQ in more seats. I like to drive but I also like to ride. I've had very good luck with a center, properly processed so I can't wait for a center+rear-fill, properly processed....but wait, greater SPL DOES mean greater SQ, doesn't it? Seriously, if you think about it, greater SQ at greater volumes will give you better (oh, gosh...here it comes again) SQ on the road since you can overcome some of those pesky challenges like driving. So if rear-fill could give the same or better SPL with the same detail and staging, is that not an obvious thumbs up?
Still, it isn't elitist for me to agree or disagree with facts. Stereo is a 2 channel system. I'll be employing a total of 10 speakers to get the most out of a stereo mix....so what does that count as, anyway? It still boils down to a smart matrix of multi-channel processing for a two channel signal.
I use it but only because I carry alot of passengers in the rear seats. Most of the time I keep it faded towards the front a little when I'm alone. Also there's about 1/6 of the power of the rears when compared to the fronts.
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