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Default What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

I was driving this evening and noticed that one of my JBL P660C 6.5" woofers was making some fairly unpleasant sounding noises... I've blown plenty of speakers, it wasn't blown, it was a strange sort of buzzing/vibrating that I hadn't heard before, plus it still played relatively normally at lower volumes. It was the first time I'd been in the car for a few days, so I hadn't noticed it until tonight. I got it home and tore the door apart to discover this:





I was STUNNED! The cone is separated from the surround a good 80% of the way around; its almost completely separated. These speakers were fantastic (barring current events, of course), they sounded great, I couldn't say too many good things about them (even my fiance raved about 'em, she even let me put one of the small orange rectangle JBL decals that came with the gear on the rear window).

The only things I can attribute this damage to is a defective speaker, or overpowering... I'm running more power than the specified 90W RMS rating, between 125-140W, but there was no other indications that there was anything wrong, they played loud and CLEAR, no bottoming out and the gains were set using a -5dB sine wave, so its virtually impossible to send a clipped signal using music. The installation was very clean and very solid, there is no possibility that a foreign object of any sort made physical contact with the woofer. I've always "overpowered" speakers, most even moreso than what I'm using here. I yanked it out in the driveway at 11:00PM in the dark, so needless to say I only pulled the one side, I can't say if the other side is OK or not (it sounds totally fine, though).

Any ideas what the problem could be? Is it just a factory dud, or is it more likely that I screwed something up?

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

Unlucky, never really see this type of damage to speakers-and have worked in the trade for 13+years!

Could the surround have been hitting the door card?


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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

Certainly didnt happen from 140 clean watts! That I can promise you! I have run over double to those! Dont go play the lottery! Just shitty luck! How long have you had them? Still under warranty? I would call JBL anyway.... sometimes they like to take a look that things like this in case.


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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

I say 100% factory dud, reglue it and it shall be good as new
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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

I agree with coral, looks like the glue just didnt cure right. I would just call up JBL, odds are for somthin like that it will be a no hassle replacement. You could always reglue the surround if that is your thing as well.
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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

Don't know what happened to the speaker but I suggest you take the jbl sticker down unless you want to be robbed.

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

Manufacturer defect or surround been exposed to some kind of chemical making it weak.

From what I see the surround didn't just unglued but rip apart so DIY quality repair is almost impossible

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Manufacturer defect or surround been exposed to some kind of chemical making it weak.

From what I see the surround didn't just unglued but rip apart so DIY quality repair is almost impossible
it doesnt look ripped to me just looks seperated. the one spot could either be the surround dipped in or ripped tho.. so you may be right
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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

Hey guys,
Yeah, seems like just a fluke... I have SHIT for luck! I double-checked the door panel and the mounting location, there is definitely NO possibility of any contact. The speaker can't be repaired, like some of you noticed, the surround itself tore, it didn't just separate from the cone (I wish), there's no way I could make a legitimate repair. They've only been in-action for a month or 2, and they've always received good, clean power.

I've always had really good luck with JBL gear, this was a real surprise. Hopefully I can get it taken care of tomorrow, the car is completely torn apart (again). I've already sent a message to the vendor I got 'em from, and I'm gonna get in touch with JBL (although for as much as I like their products, I've never had much luck with their customer service). It's a real shame, they sounded GREAT! I just hope I can get it straightened out in a reasonable amount of time without too much a financial kick-in-the-ass... I was just getting ready to order a mess o' drivers from PE to make new home theater speakers, if for some reason I can't get a warranty replacement I'm SOL.

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

125-140w of clean power, yes, but what highpass were you running? My 6.5s have nearly 1" total excursion with 150w available and a 70hz/24db highpass. No issues but it's the reason I'm upgrading to 10s. That outer edge of the cone looks like it would cut into the surround if there was too much excursion. Since it wasn't a glue issue, what else could it be? Even though I've never had a failure, I suspect all it would take is a tiny tear and the rest of the surround would follow but how else to you get such a perfect cut right around the outer diameter?

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

I ran 200 a piece to each mid for well over a year and they are in better shape than yours, heres hoping you get some sort of replacement

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

I'd be interested in the crossover point as well. If the surround ripped, I'd be more concerned about the excursion like BuickGN said. You have the JBL EQ with lots of gain on some of the lower octaves?

do you have more pics? i can't tell from the pics but the lighting on the cone looks a little weird. Is the cone consistently smooth all around?

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I ran 200 a piece to each mid for well over a year and they are in better shape than yours, heres hoping you get some sort of replacement
Again, I would think the highpass filter would be as important or more important than the 200w. Are you sure you were getting a full 200w from to the speakers? That's why I say I have 150w available because I have no idea how much they're actually seeing.

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Sounds like the highpass isn't set high enough. Over excursion and rip. I've had it happen before.

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I was driving this evening and noticed that one of my JBL P660C 6.5" woofers was making some fairly unpleasant sounding noises... I've blown plenty of speakers, it wasn't blown, it was a strange sort of buzzing/vibrating that I hadn't heard before, plus it still played relatively normally at lower volumes. It was the first time I'd been in the car for a few days, so I hadn't noticed it until tonight. I got it home and tore the door apart to discover this:



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So, you've blown plenty of speakers and this comes as a huge suprise?

I've blown 2 speakers in my 15+yrs of doing this... (one 12" @twice rated RMS and one 6.5" again at almost twice rated RMS)

I've never seen a speaker come apart like that, no, but if you where "Flogging Molly" I don't see it as being a stretch..

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

The cone is in perfect condition, it's a lighting goof; the material is sort of sheen and translucent, what looks like waves is a combination of reflection and being able to slightly see the basket thru the cone (plus I'm pushing a little bit down on the cone in the pic, otherwise the tear in the surround is so perfect it's near invisible)...

The crossover is 12dB/octave and is set at 80Hz, verified with test tones, so I'm not trying to get crazy bass out of them; they played an 80Hz tone CLEAN. I also actually have quite a bit of midbass dialed out using the EQ, the handful of bands between 90Hz and 360Hz are attenuated as the car had a frequency hump in that range.

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Another update:
The driver's side woofer is totally fine, perfect condition with no evidence that this is happening to it, either. That really leads me to think it is a defect, my crossovers are all passive, so there is no time alignment or anything that would change the signal being sent to one side and not the other.

Still waiting on a resolution, though...

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

If they are level matched for the driver's seat, wouldn't the passenger side be getting a little more power?

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

No, there is no bias towards the driver's seat, passenger seat SQ and staging is nearly as important as the driver's seat, both sides play at the same level with the same equalization. The actually are no differences in the signal between the driver's side and the passenger side.

The dealer I bought it from gave me an RA number just now, I'm headed out to the post office, hopefully they replace it and don't give me any grief, they're a non-authorized retailer. I really just failed to pay it any attention at the time of purchase, just saw that it had a 1 year warranty and assumed it was thru JBL honestly, I try to avoid unauthorized retailers because my luck does ABSOLUTELY suck, I have the WORST luck on the planet, so if the dealer doesn't help I doubt JBL will be very sympathetic.

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No, there is no bias towards the driver's seat, passenger seat SQ and staging is nearly as important as the driver's seat, both sides play at the same level with the same equalization. The actually are no differences in the signal between the driver's side and the passenger side.

The dealer I bought it from gave me an RA number just now, I'm headed out to the post office, hopefully they replace it and don't give me any grief, they're a non-authorized retailer. I really just failed to pay it any attention at the time of purchase, just saw that it had a 1 year warranty and assumed it was thru JBL honestly, I try to avoid unauthorized retailers because my luck does ABSOLUTELY suck, I have the WORST luck on the planet, so if the dealer doesn't help I doubt JBL will be very sympathetic.
yeah, especially since Andy W. reads the forum and you have pictures. lol.

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yeah, especially since Andy W. reads the forum and you have pictures. lol.

but, good luck. many manufactures take care of you anyway.
Thanks, we'll see how everything goes, I shipped it off today, so it should be back to the retailer by Friday. Dunno really how their warranty process works, they gave me the OK to just send the one band woofer (thankfully, REALLY didn't want to tear the rest out), their generic response said they test in house and then send out to the manufacturer for repairs; well, there's nothing to test and there's likely no repairing this.

Who knows... Hopefully everything gets straight. If the retailer is a pain in the ass about it for whatever reason, I'll probably throw myself at the mercy of JBL and do some begging and pleading.

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

That is surround failure. Over-excursion can cause it - but since the other channel is fine, I'd call faulty manufacturing.
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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

Just an update for anyone that was interested, the dealer I bought them from had their technicians "inspect" it; they called it a defect and are replacing it with a new unit, didn't even have to argue...

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Default Re: What the f#@k?! My JBL Power 6.5" came apart! Too much power or fluke?

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Just an update for anyone that was interested, the dealer I bought them from had their technicians "inspect" it; they called it a defect and are replacing it with a new unit, didn't even have to argue...
Excellent! Glad to hear it! Sounds right!
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