Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
Sorry if I in some way offended you, but I was just trying to point out that people had really done their best to answer thte questions that you asked. You have argued with every single thing that anyone has said in response. I was trying to help you, as was every other person who answered you.
Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
Socal I think I didn't make it clear. That I had wanted to change the topic to what would u want as
Spec wise in a purpose built 8" midbass. And I keep getting responses for the first question, which was cool and I keep answering them cause I wanted a discussion anyway. I guess by the time you guys saw the post it seemed as if I wasn't trying to here that. Sorry ifthats the impression I gave. I do plan to check out what u guys suggest. Btw any pics or links to arc black 8? All in all I think I should have just made the title what are some specs that you would like to see in a real 8" midbass driver?
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If your looking for 50-300hz I would imagine most 8" subs on the market would work just fine. But your going to have to sacrifice depth to use it. But for me if im using an 8 in the door im glassing a custom enclosure onto the door card. So I get exactly what I want out of the driver I use. As I would imagine is the case with most 8" mid installs.
Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
manish, I have to agree with your thoughts... I wish more of the big name companies (especially Pioneer and JBL) would release a dedicated 8" midbass driver (and 8" coaxes). Many times I considered PM'ing Andy W. and asking him why JBL doesn't have a dedicated 8" midbass or even an 8" component set. I wish he would jump in this thread.
IMHO, anything less than 8" has no business being used as a midbass in a car. I resent the people who decided way back when that the standard for midbass in a vehicle should be 5.25"/6.5". All cars should have 8s or 10s in the front doors - stock. If I were the head of a car manufacturer, I would see to it that every vehicle came with an 8" midbass in the front doors along with dedicated midranges and tweeters.
Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
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Originally Posted by analogrocker
manish, I have to agree with your thoughts... I wish more of the big name companies (especially Pioneer and JBL) would release a dedicated 8" midbass driver (and 8" coaxes). Many times I considered PM'ing Andy W. and asking him why JBL doesn't have a dedicated 8" midbass or even an 8" component set. I wish he would jump in this thread.
IMHO, anything less than 8" has no business being used as a midbass in a car. I resent the people who decided way back when that the standard for midbass in a vehicle should be 5.25"/6.5". All cars should have 8s or 10s in the front doors - stock. If I were the head of a car manufacturer, I would see to it that every vehicle came with an 8" midbass in the front doors along with dedicated midranges and tweeters.
My point exactly. After using a 8" mid in every install including my first SQL car that I used to compete with, I cant do a 6". im considering going with a 10" midbass now.
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Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
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My point exactly. After using a 8" mid in every install including my first SQL car that I used to compete with, I cant do a 6". im considering going with a 10" midbass now.
I agree with both of you guys. After going with 10s (small 10s, more like 9s) in the doors, I believe the only place a 6.5" has is in a 2-way. There's just not enough displacement to keep up with most people's subs. Mine sounds so much more natural now with effortless midbass and it's nice being able to cross them as low as I choose. This is something I should have done a long time ago.
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Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
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I think u guys are missing my point. I have looked at most of the drivers suggested available at madisound and parts express. I am currently running a pair of 8" peerless Sls. What I'm looking for is why don't the major companies provide a direct solution. Yes we have peerless and others. But where is Alpine? Where is jbl? And I'm not talking about pro audio drivers either. They don't go low. I would love to have a driver with the low end of the SOS, by with more power handling via a Xbl motor,3"-4" voicecoil, qts above .50, ruler flat out to 500hz, sealed pole, optimized for small sealed enclosure if qts couldn't be met. So basically ima try 3 subs to replace my SMS, Alpine type r, jlaudio 8wx, and jbl gto804. I'm going to have sealed fiberglass door pods around .1-.2 Cuft.
But lets change this to what features and specs given today's technology would u like to see in a true 8" midbass driver from the major companies. I'm talking your dream driver...
Here is the simple answer: They are not supplied because they are not demanded. The reason why I think you see 8" drivers from more "boutique" type companies is because by-and-large, the customers purchasing those drivers are also having them installed by shops or custom installed. The real issue is that MOST vehicles simply do not have the space required to do a drop-in replacement upgrade to an 8" driver. They pose mounting depth issues and usually require difficult modification to accomodate them. In addition, the options narrow even further when considering that it's very difficult to get most 8" drivers to mate up with a tweeter directly without a seperate midrange driver (which also further complicates installation). This means that you're then going from a smaller 2-way option in most cases to a larger 3 way option.
The vast majority of what the big names (Pioneer-Alpine-JBL-Sony, etc) sell is designed to cater to what the industry is demanding most. Since 8" drivers in cars have a very narrow market, I think you will continue to see very few, if ay options offered from them.
Thankfully, we have a welath of home audio drivers that can be made to work as well as some of the more specialized brands that have been listed.
EDIT: Manish- I know you've been using the Peerless SLS (As I have done in the old car). Have you considered trying the XLS 830491 or the Usher 8955A ?
I have the XLS in the doors now and they sound better to me than the SLS's did. I also have some 8955A's that I'd like to try out assuming they'll fit my baffles. Keep in touch and I'l llet you know how that works out.
Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
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Originally Posted by manish
I think u guys are missing my point. I have looked at most of the drivers suggested available at madisound and parts express. I am currently running a pair of 8" peerless Sls. What I'm looking for is why don't the major companies provide a direct solution. Yes we have peerless and others. But where is Alpine? Where is jbl? And I'm not talking about pro audio drivers either. They don't go low. I would love to have a driver with the low end of the SOS, by with more power handling via a Xbl motor,3"-4" voicecoil, qts above .50, ruler flat out to 500hz, sealed pole, optimized for small sealed enclosure if qts couldn't be met. So basically ima try 3 subs to replace my SMS, Alpine type r, jlaudio 8wx, and jbl gto804. I'm going to have sealed fiberglass door pods around .1-.2 Cuft.
But lets change this to what features and specs given today's technology would u like to see in a true 8" midbass driver from the major companies. I'm talking your dream driver...
There are tons of subwoofers that play well into the midrange. My Gedlee Summas use a 15" subwoofer as a midrange, with a crossover of 900hz.
Just look at the spec sheet. Low inductance is the key.
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Re: question about the slow or lack of real 8" midbass drivers.
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I agree with both of you guys. After going with 10s (small 10s, more like 9s) in the doors, I believe the only place a 6.5" has is in a 2-way. There's just not enough displacement to keep up with most people's subs. Mine sounds so much more natural now with effortless midbass and it's nice being able to cross them as low as I choose. This is something I should have done a long time ago.
Arrays are an option too. Five or six 3" drivers in an array have as much surface area as an 8" woofer. As a bonus, the efficiency will be higher due to Hoffmans Iron Law. (assuming the FS is higher)
JBL is using 2" drivers in some of their Prosound gear now, and you KNOW that stuff is designed to get loud as hell. (they use four drivers per speaker)
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