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Default XBL^2 Subwoofers

Can someone list the best XBL^2 subwoofers available currently?

I was looking for a 12 or a 15 and I won't be using it to shatter windows or chatter teeth or something. Want it for good old SQ

The Stereo Integrity Mag D2 is absolutely on top of that list. But I was looking for a 4 Ohm DVC sub, and not a 2 Ohm DVC.

The DIYMA R12 (even though it's not XBL^2) is a close contender. But there are some reliability issues with the R12 that have been discussed elsewhere. That, coupled with its high shipping weight (it has to come to me in India!) make it a slightly impractial and unreliable proposition for me.

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

Other than the Mag v4, the only other contenders are the Shiva-X 12" and the CSS 10". Both of which are rated for considerably less Power handling than the Mag and even then 10" needs a similar enclosure size than the Mag v4 and the Shiva-X needs a much larger enclosure.

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Other than the Mag v4, the only other contenders are the Shiva-X 12" and the CSS 10". Both of which are rated for considerably less Power handling than the Mag and even then 10" needs a similar enclosure size than the Mag v4 and the Shiva-X needs a much larger enclosure.
The thread starter did not state anything about Power handling ratings or recommended enclosure sizes, so I don't see why had you used those factors to try and put those products below yours. Not cool.
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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

I'd also say that the Exodus subs at DIYCable.com, the JBL WGTi, and the Mag v4 would be the top contenders as well.

What Car are they going in and do you have any size limitations for either sub or box? That could easily rule out some of these choices IMHO.

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

there are NO size limitations! i can go even 3 cu ft! its a sedan with a boot volume of 400 litres! so no sweat :-P

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

So would you prefer sealed, ported, or an IB alignment? This may very well come down to personal preference for you and what kind of alignment you want to run.

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

i would like it sealed. IB might make the bass reproduction slightly boomy and inaccurate.
i would like JUST one sub to do the job.

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i would like it sealed. IB might make the bass reproduction slightly boomy and inaccurate.
i would like JUST one sub to do the job.
I think with some experimenting you will find the opposite to hold true for a correctly implemented IB setup.
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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

If you would like to use all of your 3 cu ft. up then there is this:Creative Sound - Product Details
However, if you like the sound of the Illusion audio IM-12, you should love the SI MAGv4. The ND12 I previously ran is extremely easy to blend and has tight, articulate bass. The SI is is better in these areas and digs deeper w/ great, clean impact if you run the LP at 100 to 120hz or so. It works well in 1cuft sealed and the weight is considerably lighter than a DIYMA12. IIRC it should be a driver swap for your present sub set up w/ some box volume adjustment.
In terms of the D2 vs D4, this sub may just well be worth acommodating.

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

With little limitations for a sealed enclosure and my choice of ANY driver, I would run a W12GTi in 2cf sealed or W15GTi in 4cf.

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With little limitations for a sealed enclosure and my choice of ANY driver, I would run a W12GTi in 2cf sealed or W15GTi in 4cf.
Thats what Winisd models, but in reality they don't need enclosures anywhere near that big, the 15" works well in the JBL recommended 1.6cuft and the 12" is recommended for about 1 or 1.2cuft I believe. I run my 15" in 1.6cuft and it's flat to almost 25hz in car.

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

Luke, I know what JBL recommends and you're right they're GREAT in those enclosures. I've owned and used all the WGTi's in a variety of enclosures and like i said, if i had no size restrictions i'd do the bigger enclosures... they just PHENOMENAL (I seriously would not rule out IB, even better). Shoot, I might as well throw in a vote for a 2.5cf tuned to 26hz ported enclosure (JBL's are just another animal altogether ported) with a 6db HP at ~50-60hz for SQ. UH-MAZING sound and headroom/dynamics like you've never heard.

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

You guys aren't listening.

The poster lives in INDIA. Shipping costs for those big-butt subs are going to be killer! His shipping costs are likely to be even worse than mine!

Sigh - I wish at least one manufacturer would at least TRY to do an XBL^2 motor with a neo magnet. Until then, I can only look on and lust, as the shipping costs of those oh-look-at-me-with-my-BIG-magnet drivers simply puts them out way of my reach.

I'm using Infinity 122.7Ws at the moment. $100 each from Sonic Electronix, but cost to me after shipping and duties was just over $250 each (basically the cost of a Mag). And these are drivers with neo magnets. Very light (I can pick up two with one hand easily). Shipping costs for other drivers in the same price bracket were more expensive.

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

He could try and find some older used AA Atlas subs....I bought the first 2 12"s and still love them. One in the Car since new and the other's going in the HT as soon as I get the amp....

There's a ton of them out there....

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

Xbl^2 subs vary greatly in quality, just as underhung and overhung motors do. The original Adire Koda's were some of the best that I've used.

A speaker is only as good as the room you put it in.
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I've got an Adire Koda motor sitting around here at my house.

I plan to get it re-cone here shortly, if you want it let me know and I'll send it to get built to your needs.

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im surprised no one mentioned the old RE XXX. but brian makes a very good point here
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im surprised no one mentioned the old RE XXX. but brian makes a very good point here
It weighs in at around 55lbs, so shipping that to India would be pricey.

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The poster lives in INDIA.
There's a JBL distributor in India. No need for international shipping.
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critical mass ? http://www.criticalmassaudio.com/
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It weighs in at around 55lbs, so shipping that to India would be pricey.
Compare that to the shipping weight of 12 lbs for the Infinity 122.7W...

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There's a JBL distributor in India. No need for international shipping.
Then the Gti series is a good bet - if the local prices in India are good.

I got to have a look at a W12Gti (previous version) about a week ago. Solidly built sub. The measured Qts of 0.7+ was a bit disappointing though. Looks like low-Qts drivers are out of fashion now...

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Default Re: XBL^2 Subwoofers

Sorry for going OFF-Topic but how do Si Magv4 Compare to having 2 ID8v3 subs. I mean are mag4 gonna really shine over 2ID8V3, I am looking for more punchier, tight, bass at the same time should go deep which can be felt if ever when I plan to go loud. Now given Power is 250RMS. What's the best pick 2 ID8 or Magv4 at this power?

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Sorry for going OFF-Topic but how do Si Magv4 Compare to having 2 ID8v3 subs. I mean are mag4 gonna really shine over 2ID8V3, I am looking for more punchier, tight, bass at the same time should go deep which can be felt if ever when I plan to go loud. Now given Power is 250RMS. What's the best pick 2 ID8 or Magv4 at this power?

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The easiest way to make a sub sound "tighter" and "punchier" is to roll off the low end. That's why vented subs have a reputation for sounding "boomy." It's not the alignment, there's literally TOO MUCH low bass. It's pretty easy to make a vented box sound like a sealed box with a high pass filter.

I actually have this problem with the tapped horn in my Car right now, I need to get a mic and an EQ in there to fix it.

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