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Default clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

hi there I was wondering if looking for sq out of your sub woofer....wether going with a a/b or d class amp will make much of an audible difference. I am considering a kicker amp . I am curious to know wether the a/b zx400.2 bridged in mono or the zx400.1 class d will be a better choice. is there a percievable sound quality difference from anyones experience?
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

Use whatever you want. There's no audible difference in amplifier class, especially on subwoofers. In fact, use class D, it's more efficient anyway.
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^^^x2 on what 89grand said, use class D, less alternator strain.
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

I would go with a class a/b for a better damping factor. If your looking for something a 1000 watts or over then i would go with a class d because of a smaller footprint and less strain on your charging system.
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

whats damping factor? what does it do?
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I run old a/b and couldn't be happier. I loose that control and precision once I switch to D, it sounds like a different speaker/box altogether.
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

In loudspeaker systems, the value of the damping factor between a particular loudspeaker and a particular amplifier describes the ability of the amplifier to control undesirable movement of the Speaker cone near the resonant frequency of the Speaker system. It is usually used in the context of low-frequency driver behavior, and especially so in the case of electrodynamic drivers, which use a magnetic motor to generate the forces which move the diaphragm. Hope this helps you out.
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

thanks everyone so far! I just need to convince myself on how much of an audible difference a class a/b over a d will sound. is it noticeable to a point that you can distinguish instruments better? and if so on a scale from 1-10 how much would you say the difference is......for example. how would the dynamics of a kick drum sound? thanks!
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

A: No one could ever pick out which amplifier was playing on a subwoofer in any test. B: Damping factor in real world use means next to nothing. C: Use the most efficient amplifer you have...(hint, class D)
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

Go with a class D, like everyone says. They're smaller and more efficient. I'd worry more about your box design and subwoofer choice if you're so concerned with sound quality.
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If you are into Boom and Doom ...then Class D ...if you are serious about SQ ....A/B is the only way to go. While it is not as noticeable on subs ...Class D amps are horribly noisy as well as having a poor damping factor.

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If you are into Boom and Doom ...then Class D ...if you are serious about SQ ....A/B is the only way to go. While it is not as noticeable on subs ...Class D amps are horribly noisy as well as having a poor damping factor.

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If you are into Boom and Doom ...then Class D ...if you are serious about SQ ....A/B is the only way to go. While it is not as noticeable on subs ...Class D amps are horribly noisy as well as having a poor damping factor.

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Signal to noise in a sub amp means next to nothing. Damping factor as a measure of cone control is complete BS, but efficiency isn't. There's nothing wrong with class-D, but there are crappy amps of all classes. Don't be fooled by snake-oil salesmen peddling nonsense for an arm and a leg. What does matter is Power output, cost and reliability.
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Signal to noise in a sub amp means next to nothing. Damping factor as a measure of cone control is complete BS, but efficiency isn't. There's nothing wrong with class-D, but there are crappy amps of all classes. Don't be fooled by snake-oil salesmen peddling nonsense for an arm and a leg. What does matter is Power output, cost and reliability.
Yep. I've heard good & bad from either class. I've heard good & bad from different type of enclosures, i.e. sealed vs. ported vs. folded horn vs. whatever.

If the enclosure is built well & the Speaker is happy then it'll sound good(well placement helps as well). If the amp is built well then it'll "sound good". Class D is smaller, more efficient & also cheaper per watt. Just stick to a reputable company.

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Lets say this one more time.
You will NOT hear a differance. Class D is much more efficiant. Use whatever you want, but dont base you decision on weather its class A/B or class D. If anyone has any documentation proving otherwise, please produce it.
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Lets say this one more time.
You will NOT hear a differance. Class D is much more efficiant. Use whatever you want, but dont base you decision on weather its class A/B or class D. If anyone has any documentation proving otherwise, please produce it.
Usually class D has more THD (.1% class D compared to .05% class A/B). I owned a class D once, sold it and will never go back. Yes, I can hear the difference. I'd only buy class D if space and or current draw would be an issue.
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Usually class D has more THD (.1% class D compared to .05% class A/B). I owned a class D once, sold it and will never go back. Yes, I can hear the difference. I'd only buy class D if space and or current draw would be an issue.
You could tell the differance between .1% and .05% THD? WOW!
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I sold my amp for a reason, and I didn't regret it.
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The install, sub, and enclosure is also going to determine a little bit to whether you are going to "hear" a difference between A/B and D on a sub amp, but I would say there is a 99% chance you should not spend one more second on this and just go class D.
For what it's worth, I ran a Kicker ZX400.1 for a sub amp for a while and was very happy with it. I switched to matching Alpine amps, so I have no use for it anymore. It's for sale in the classifieds, and I am pretty flexible on that price if you want to take a look at it.
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But seriously $/watt I would definitely go class D for a sub amp. There's no reason not to over such a narrow passband.

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I thought the true meaning of Damping Factor was that it was the amplifier's ability to deal with changes in impedance over distance? I know damping factor was real important when I used to DJ and Speaker Wire runs could be as long as 200 feet.

Also, if Damping Factor is so important, how come the real true audiophiles love those $6,000 tube amplifiers that have a single digit damping factor?
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Default Re: clas a/b or d amp for subwoofer sq?

Because they are usually not running amps with DF on low frequency speakers. And if they are, the Speaker has an insanely low Q and provides a great deal of control on it's own.

I haven't been sold on class D yet either. I haven't heard many that sound like a good a/b.
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I'm not a big fan of class d amps either. But that's a personal preference of mine. Your gonna get mixed replies on this one, it will be a never ending battle!
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I like when people make bold statements as "you will not hear a difference" and then ask for technical proof to the contrary. Wow! I say I can hear a difference between Class A/B and Class D and between different amp brands. I think some of this depends on the quality of speakers, enclosure and other factors, including quality of amplifier, etc. I'm sure you don't hear a difference between different Head Units and RCA cables. Well, then I guess some of us have more sensitive ears and/or our equipment has the ability to show these details. The real thing that needs to be addressed is the fact that comfy_shoes is asking about kicker amps. Concerning kicker, use whatever (class A/B or D) it won't matter. The newer kicker amps are all about Power and noise, sq is not even in their vocabulary. If you are talking about the upper echelon of products, you will be able to hear a sq difference and I don't need to prove to you otherwise, just because you say you can't hear it.
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