I'm far from frustrated actually quite the opposite. Not sure if you remember but based on the checklist or specific settings you asked I was able to alleviate the noise. To the point I can actually create the noise based on changing those settings. Based your explanation of what the problem maybe (via pm) I've avoided certain settings and haven't experienced the noise for over a month. I can't speak for anyone else but I went from getting the noise after every calibration to not at all. During that time I was able to cause the noise based on that one setting. Based on my own personal experience and the bit of info Andy gave me I'm noise free. All I was trying to do was share my experience in hopes maybe it could help someone else. I'm in no saying other setup configurations wont cause the noise. Thank you Andy I'm noise free and happy with the unit.
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Duro,
It's good that you are able to avoid whatever causes the noise by utilizing these temporary workarounds. That being said, your "advice" is frustrating people because it isn't accurate to all installs. I obviously don't know what the issue is, but I know that I have run many calibrations (all without a reset) and do it for AT LEAST the driver and passenger seat each time. I have two MS8's and to date have had ZERO issues. It makes sense to me that these actions don't cause the "jet engine noise", but instead, some install based factor does and IF you do those things (run multiple calibrations/run calibrations for multiple seats) the noise shows up.
So going around and telling people to reset each time for re-calibration and only measure for one seat isn't good. You may be preventing some people from enjoying all facets of the MS8 and they may never have a problem. I think there should be a "if you experience jet engine noise...do this" thread people can reference until Andy/JBL can get this fixed, but people shouldn't fear using all the tools the MS8 has to offer because of something that may or may not happen in their install.
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Do you know the difference between education and experience? Education is when you read the fine print; experience is what you get when you don't.
I'm sorry but WTH is wrong with you? Why are you beating around the bush? Can you just not clearly state EXACTLY what setting produced the noise for you and EXACTLY what you did to avoid it??? Jeeezzzzz....
Wtf is wrong with you? Besides salami no else asked me for my settings, if they did I didn't see it. I dont follow the thread per post , dont have time. You come with same BS he did. A simple how is your system configured would suffice, all the other BS isn't necessary. That's exactly wth is wrong with me.
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. Tweeters - Lpg26na Midrange - Tang band W3
. Mid Bass - Rs180 sub - 2 jl 10w6v2
I'm sorry but WTH is wrong with you? Why are you beating around the bush? Can you just not clearly state EXACTLY what setting produced the noise for you and EXACTLY what you did to avoid it??? Jeeezzzzz....
Wtf is wrong with you? Besides salami no else asked me for my settings, if they did I didn't see it. I dont follow the thread per post , dont have time. You come with same BS he did. A simple how is your system configured would suffice, all the other BS isn't necessary. That's exactly wth is wrong with me. Furthermore if salami or anyone else things I'm full o **** that's fine ill keep my noise free ms8 to myself. My post was in response to Andy's post hence the quotation.
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Head unit- Pioneer DEH 80prs Dsp- JBL Ms8 Amps -2 ppi p900.4
. Tweeters - Lpg26na Midrange - Tang band W3
. Mid Bass - Rs180 sub - 2 jl 10w6v2
It's good that you are able to avoid whatever causes the noise by utilizing these temporary workarounds. That being said, your "advice" is frustrating people because it isn't accurate to all installs. I obviously don't know what the issue is, but I know that I have run many calibrations (all without a reset) and do it for AT LEAST the driver and passenger seat each time. I have two MS8's and to date have had ZERO issues. It makes sense to me that these actions don't cause the "jet engine noise", but instead, some install based factor does and IF you do those things (run multiple calibrations/run calibrations for multiple seats) the noise shows up.
So going around and telling people to reset each time for re-calibration and only measure for one seat isn't good. You may be preventing some people from enjoying all facets of the MS8 and they may never have a problem. I think there should be a "if you experience jet engine noise...do this" thread people can reference until Andy/JBL can get this fixed, but people shouldn't using all the tools the MS8 has to offer because of something that may or may not happen in their install.
Thank you for your post. I can only speak for my own personal experience. Do I know if its the end all solution to the problem, absolutley not. I started a thread not too long ago in frustration due to the noise. I blew about 3 different drivers and I was on my third ms8. Andy contacted me and asked me if I was willing to send my unit in for testing. Along with the message he asked me if I was using l7, 2 or 3way, more than one listening position and there maybe more I don't remember. So I decided to play around with to see if I could stop it from happening. I also started another thread to try an compile the settings of everyone experiencing the noise but that didn't work out too well. The noise always blew my drivers side tweet so I just put a cap on both tweeters. Honestly since I only use one listening position I haven't experienced the noise. There could be other variables but to my knowledge everything else was constant. If I go through calibration and do a second position as soon as I hit done the noise will set in. Now, I'm one user with one ms8 my experience could be completely different from anyone else's. I'm no engineer I don't have a team in my garage testing ms8's. I was just sharing my experience. Based on the info Andy gave me I was under the impression they had a handle on it especially since I wasnt experiencing it by only doing one LP. My issue was the way kaigoss and salami were coming at me a simple question would of sufficed. All I was doing was sharing MY EXPERIENCE. I'm not a so called expert witness to be prosecuted on the stand. Not focused towards you pion sorry.
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. Mid Bass - Rs180 sub - 2 jl 10w6v2
No offense taken on my end. I just wanted to point out that those things don't necessarily cause the noise, but if you get the noise, avoiding them has prevented it for you. I have seen people say things like, "I was thinking about getting an MS8, but now I'm worried about it" or "I won't run any other seating positions to avoid the noise" and it frustrates me because they are missing out on a great product/features and may not have the issues you, and others, have had.
I do agree that while Andy/JBL works on fixing the issues, knowing a workaround is a good thing. So saying, "this things have worked for me" is a positive of sharing your experiences. I just think we should say, "YOU DON'T HAVE TO AVOID THESE FEATURES UNLESS YOU GET THE JET ENGINE NOISE", then people can get the most out of the MS8 and make adjustments if the noise happens, not avoid them altogether.
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LOL you live happily ever after with your little secret.
Best believe I will. Next time you hear a jet don't look through your sunroof its just your ms8 trying to propel you into the sq heavens
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. Mid Bass - Rs180 sub - 2 jl 10w6v2
Guys,
As I've said many times before, we're trying to find a condition under which the noise can be repeated reliably. In order to fix it, we have to know what causes it. I greatly appreciate your help in describing the conditions under which this happens. Everyone's input has been helpful.
Duro, If I knew exactly what causes this, it would be fixed. We have them set up in labs and we're still trying. I have speculated based on the input here but have not been able to confirm. I know you're frustrated and I'm sorry.
Hi Andy,
As far as giving you a meaningful bug-report, what info/details would you like specifically? Maybe if users can provide you with a more or less standardized set of details it will help you collect this data and solve the problem.
Also, have you personally experienced the issue first hand? Not being able to reliably recreate the problem in the lab is one thing but I'm curious if you've experienced what we're talking about.
Installed my MS-8 earlier, but got a bit frustrated trying to get things correct. The volume is low and I hear nothing coming from the passenger side even though the audio test are correct.
I should probably eat and sleep but I'm going to see if I can find a possible cause before I go to bed lol
Installed my MS-8 earlier, but got a bit frustrated trying to get things correct. The volume is low and I hear nothing coming from the passenger side even though the audio test are correct.
I should probably eat and sleep but I'm going to see if I can find a possible cause before I go to bed lol
you have your inputs in channels 1 & 5 not 1 & 2.
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You're right. It's funny because I checked my outputs and I realized that 1-4 were on top and 5-8 were on the bottom... obviously I didn't think about the input
Thanks man, I'm going to retry everything tomorrow.
I also have "sonic boom" in my right front speaker only, and only when hard bass beat hits. Wondering if the JBL is set to close to 0, even at -10 I get it. I calibrated at -35. Wondering if I need to calibrate it at lower volume, so that maybe the sensitivity issue may be avoided, if thats the case, as it might make the unit to sensitive and picks up some interference.
I also get the thump there, if I close the trunk lid, and the unit is in the trunk. But only left speaker does it in my front stage only set-up with a sub, on a factory unit thru hi-level input. I have two DLS Ultimates running fronts and sub. Just noticed a blip about hooking the sub up to channels 7 and 8, but I have it at 5 and 6. Wonder if thats an issue.
If I dont blast it, the sound is perfect...Please help with thump issue anyone. My next step will be to try to calibrate at lower JBL volume at around -40 to -50 and see if that somehow fixes it. I did notice floor noise when JBL listening volume is set at 0.
Also, I keep the headphones plugged in the unit, as its stashed away in the tire well under a big box assembled from two pieces to make 15"Xcon fit in the small trunk. Could that be causing some issues?
Also, my factory Hyundai Genesis Coupe head unit starts to take out the bass after around 20 volume setting out of 35. So I try to play music up to 20 on the head unit. Is there a way to get the head unit to stop doing that lowering bass thing?
Thank you
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I also have "sonic boom" in my right front speaker only, and only when hard bass beat hits. Wondering if the JBL is set to close to 0, even at -10 I get it. I calibrated at -35. Wondering if I need to calibrate it at lower volume, so that maybe the sensitivity issue may be avoided, if thats the case, as it might make the unit to sensitive and picks up some interference.
I also get the thump there, if I close the trunk lid, and the unit is in the trunk. But only left speaker does it in my front stage only set-up with a sub, on a factory unit thru hi-level input. I have two DLS Ultimates running fronts and sub. Just noticed a blip about hooking the sub up to channels 7 and 8, but I have it at 5 and 6. Wonder if thats an issue.
If I dont blast it, the sound is perfect...Please help with thump issue anyone. My next step will be to try to calibrate at lower JBL volume at around -40 to -50 and see if that somehow fixes it. I did notice floor noise when JBL listening volume is set at 0.
Also, I keep the headphones plugged in the unit, as its stashed away in the tire well under a big box assembled from two pieces to make 15"Xcon fit in the small trunk. Could that be causing some issues?
Also, my factory Hyundai Genesis Coupe head unit starts to take out the bass after around 20 volume setting out of 35. So I try to play music up to 20 on the head unit. Is there a way to get the head unit to stop doing that lowering bass thing?
Thank you
UPDATE: I found the problem. I have mic plugged in, and it MUST be unplugged. Right side of the mic stays open and picks up noise, and thats whats causing the issue. I troubleshot it by putting my finger on the right mic, and blasted the stereo with pretty retarded bass levels and no problems. If I move my finger gently, all kinds of scratchy noise comes thru. This may very well damage your speakers, gentlemen. If I ever have to go back to MS-8 for anything, like to reset the unit etc, which I hope not, but otherwise I would have to look for a new place for it.
Hope this information helps. Bottom line, UNPLUG YOUR MICS when done calibrating. Pretty annoying though if the unit is stashed away.
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I turned my gains down on my amps when I reran my calibration today...and got a lot more volume out of everything.
Andy can we get a wireless display soon?
Maybe Andy can chime in and explain how you got more volume out of everything, cause I cant explain it, but would love to understand what took place. Obviously, you didnt jack the gains back up after to get more volume, so MS-8 did something, and technical explanation would be great. As for now, my gains are where they should be for a 2v factory head unit, and I presume its 2v, not confirmed.
What I think may have happened here is similar to running calibration at lower volume like -40, so the tones are not as loud, which is the effect you would get by lowering the gains. Thats all I got for now.
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UPDATE: I found the problem. I have mic plugged in, and it MUST be unplugged. Right side of the mic stays open and picks up noise, and thats whats causing the issue. I troubleshot it by putting my finger on the right mic, and blasted the stereo with pretty retarded bass levels and no problems. If I move my finger gently, all kinds of scratchy noise comes thru. This may very well damage your speakers, gentlemen. If I ever have to go back to MS-8 for anything, like to reset the unit etc, which I hope not, but otherwise I would have to look for a new place for it.
Hope this information helps. Bottom line, UNPLUG YOUR MICS when done calibrating. Pretty annoying though if the unit is stashed away.
You can buy a quality extension cable in the same format as the mic cable and mount the end somewhere handy. Then just plug the mic into it. Don't coil up the ms-8 mic cable though, just in case it causes an issue. Instead folded it like you would a ribbon cable.
You can buy a quality extension cable in the same format as the mic cable and mount the end somewhere handy. Then just plug the mic into it. Don't coil up the ms-8 mic cable though, just in case it causes an issue. Instead folded it like you would a ribbon cable.
Im gonna look into that.
And yeah, the manual says mic needs to be unplugged, I didn't think it was gonna cause problems. Manual also says to use only inputs 7 and 8 for subs, unless they are referring to factory subamp only. Mine is aftermarket and plugged in through 5 and 6. So far, I haven't found an issue with that, but if anyone is aware if I am missing something here, I would love to hear it.
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You can buy a quality extension cable in the same format as the mic cable and mount the end somewhere handy. Then just plug the mic into it. Don't coil up the ms-8 mic cable though, just in case it causes an issue. Instead folded it like you would a ribbon cable.
Is this quality cable something one can find on, for example, Amazon, or Radio Shack?
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